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Apollo Justice (only the 4th game is called Apollo Justice, the other 2 games in the "Apollo Justice Trilogy" are Phoenix Wright branded, lol)
AJ came out before AAI and AAI makes some callbacks to stuff from it despite it taking place before it chronologically.
Release order is best until you get to the 3D games, so Trilogy -> AJ -> AAI1&2.
Then it basically branched into 2 series so you should play AA5&6 back to back and GAA1&2 back to back.
Optionally, play VS Layton before GAA1 because GAA builds off of gameplay mechanics introduced in the crossover.
Playing 5&6 right after AJ is actually a huge negative, cause those 2 games feel like a completely different series and in no way feel like a sequel to that particular game. Better to play them with a break between.
Not in Investigations they aren't, lmao. Edgeworth and Gumshoe are flanderized cardboard cutouts of themselves and Kay absolutely sucks.
That's because a completely different person directed AJ(series creator Takumi, though not credited as such) vs DD&SoY (Yamazaki, the AAI guy). Yamazaki was more interested in using old characters to wank off his new characters and epic plotlines. Apollo and Phoenix are essentially props for the gamelong plots about Athena/Blackquill and Dhurke/Rayfa/Nahyuta in their respective games.
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I agree. Investigations 1 might be really boring, but Investigations 2 is easily the best game in the entire franchise.
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It certainly feels like she exists just for her minigame gimmick, after her story was over in DD, she was kind of just... there, in SoJ.
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She's essentially written as an assistant like Maya, Ema, Trucy and (especially) Kay but is playable for no discernible reason.
She exists because the heckin epic plot is about her but then the plot ends and she has fuckall to do. Everyone is kind of just there in Soy though. Why is Phoenix even in the game? He gets cucked out of his mentor role by Dhurke (le cooler, Bhutanese Phoenix, he's even wearing blue ffs), he's basically just there for the giant sidequest of acquiring the Maya memberberry.
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D a r k A g e o f t h e L a w, t h o o o u g h.
You see, Apollo doesn't need Phoenix as a mentor anymore, because he is le epic attorney who can finally stand on his own two feet, and this is the conclusion of Apollo's story, his second/third backstory that the writers just pulled out their asses. The Thalassa Gramarye plotline is just completely abandoned, and only gets a brief mention that just comes off as dismissive.
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An ace attorney like named Paper Perjury released 2 months ago, i pirated and played so i'll share some quick thoughts
The game really wants to be ace attorney. It has the desk slams, the shocked expressions, the funny names and the same gameplay of investigation and witness but much more streamlined. Instead of a defense lawyer you're a police clerk who gets dragged into investigations and solve cases, then you bring a suspect to interrogation.
Overall still an ok experience (i pirated it) altho it lacks ace attorney high stakes drama that makes it so entertaining. It seems most ace attorney likes fumble the ball in some way.
Tyrion cuthbert has some nifty ideas that are held back by it's low budget. It starts really meh and explodes in quality in the 2 final cases, but argueably too much anime and deus ex machinas.
Staffer Case has an amazing unique superpower setting, twists and starts very strong but recycles the same formula in all cases, the world building gets too convoluted for it's own good and the final case (IMO) is very slow and boring.
Paper perjury is kinda of the middle of the road where it stays decent all the way through and has some minor realistic escalation every case so it doesn't have the highest highs nor the lowest lows, only the middest mids.
The game really wants to be ace attorney. It has the desk slams, the shocked expressions, the funny names and the same gameplay of investigation and witness but much more streamlined. Instead of a defense lawyer you're a police clerk who gets dragged into investigations and solve cases, then you bring a suspect to interrogation.
>Good
+The game looks and sounds okay. It's no AA but the songs have pulse and fit the mood and the sprite art is decent, with a characters have very great designs like the chef whose hat changes shape with his emotions, the girl and the magician woman.
(Her real name is Annie Carde. I like her design but she was kinda underwhelming).
(this girl and cat will share the same emotions and its a bit repetitive but funny)
+It's fairly well written with human characters and much more down to earth than ace attorney's absurd escalation and overtly complicated cases. Your first case is not even a murder case and every next case is connected to the previous case in the span of only two weeks.
+There is jokes are not as japanese as AA where someone says something dumb and Phoenix plays the straight man by thinking how that was dumb. I like how the MC (justina) isn't just a straight man and has her own gimmicks like whining about art. The magician woman has the gimmick of saying "I'll answer that if you pick a card
" and she does it +10 times and it only works cause Justina fucking hates it.
One good joke is when you investigate a step ladder and she goes "Look detective, a step ladder!" and your friend says "haha it sure is a stepladder. Lets move on." and i admit i chuckled out loud.
+I really like the rival Ferris. She's a rich lawyer (not a defense one) who drinks tea and has tea related animations but if she was in ace attorney she would use tea metaphors nonstop like Godot. Instead she is polite yet competent and brings real law arguments like saying her client has the right to not answer that, call you out on using loaded questions, say you need a warrant and other counter arguments. She also feels terrible that her clients are criminals and i sympathized a bit lol.
+Sometimes picking the wrong choice will bring unique dialogue about that clue, usually with Justina outright saying "no, this isn't the right time for this evidenc..." or the rival no-selling your evidence. Like, at one point you need to prove someone entered the room and you can say someone stole the victim's passport and she no sells that by saying a missing passport is not proof of anything and it caught me offguard.
>bad
-Other than the chef, girl with cat and magician, everyone else is fairly lame design wise and the game has like, two good breakdowns.
-The cast is just bizarrely small it actively harms the cases. In one case the entire suspect list is your dad, your childhood friend and a random character so GEEZ I WONDER WHO IS THE CRIMINAL!
-I don't understand why "question" (press) is there when it does nothing more than flavor text and maybe a tip. There is no press shenanigans so the interrogation never evolves beyond objection.
-Exploration is very linear with you going through the list of conversations then the list of explorables but everyone has a statement and you need to object the liar ones to progress, the problem si that not everyone is lying so i wasted time going back and forth on people being honest. On the other hand, the final case has the opposite problem where everyone says they were alone, then you prove one person wrong and they admit they saw someone, and you use that statement to object another person and do that 5 times in a row.
-I feel difficulty is harder than modern ace attorney but also a bit unintuitive and unbalanced. Sometimes you get confusing testimonies where it's hard to know what to do (i had to use guide multiple times), other times you have people legit going "It's not like i had any rope around to use!" and you present the rope box, like the game is making fun of itself now. The final case didn't feel like a final case.
-I wish it had at least SOME of ace attorney anime bullshit. You know when you say Objection! and the portrait into silence into phoenix smirking? That doesn't happen in Paper perjury. The villains have understandtable motives but this makes them very underwhelming to defeat. This is something Tyrion Cuthbert did really well despite my other gripes.
-The game has YURI BAIT between the MC and her detective friend and it's not subtle about it. I won't pretend AA doesn't do yaoi bait but "haha you're cute when you're flustered" out of nowhere really took me out. It's also a very fluffy yuri of the MC encouraging her friend and she hugs her kind of stuff so it's nothing too extreme but even the MC will be aware they're blushing so it doesn't have AA plausible deniability.
-There is a fucking deaf mute transgender teenage girl character that says "Justina really helped me out when i transitioned" and i had to take a break for a few days lol. It doesnt push any agendas really and it's not worth getting triggered but i'm leaving the warning here.
-There are 5 cases, the first is the tutorial, cases 2,3,4 are single exploratition and interrogation and case 5 has a short second exploration and second interrogation so compared to ace attorney it feels weirldy rushed, even if it isn't on practice.
+The game looks and sounds okay. It's no AA but the songs have pulse and fit the mood and the sprite art is decent, with a characters have very great designs like the chef whose hat changes shape with his emotions, the girl and the magician woman.
(Her real name is Annie Carde. I like her design but she was kinda underwhelming).
(this girl and cat will share the same emotions and its a bit repetitive but funny)
+It's fairly well written with human characters and much more down to earth than ace attorney's absurd escalation and overtly complicated cases. Your first case is not even a murder case and every next case is connected to the previous case in the span of only two weeks.
+There is jokes are not as japanese as AA where someone says something dumb and Phoenix plays the straight man by thinking how that was dumb. I like how the MC (justina) isn't just a straight man and has her own gimmicks like whining about art. The magician woman has the gimmick of saying "I'll answer that if you pick a card
" and she does it +10 times and it only works cause Justina fucking hates it.One good joke is when you investigate a step ladder and she goes "Look detective, a step ladder!" and your friend says "haha it sure is a stepladder. Lets move on." and i admit i chuckled out loud.
+I really like the rival Ferris. She's a rich lawyer (not a defense one) who drinks tea and has tea related animations but if she was in ace attorney she would use tea metaphors nonstop like Godot. Instead she is polite yet competent and brings real law arguments like saying her client has the right to not answer that, call you out on using loaded questions, say you need a warrant and other counter arguments. She also feels terrible that her clients are criminals and i sympathized a bit lol.
+Sometimes picking the wrong choice will bring unique dialogue about that clue, usually with Justina outright saying "no, this isn't the right time for this evidenc..." or the rival no-selling your evidence. Like, at one point you need to prove someone entered the room and you can say someone stole the victim's passport and she no sells that by saying a missing passport is not proof of anything and it caught me offguard.
>bad
-Other than the chef, girl with cat and magician, everyone else is fairly lame design wise and the game has like, two good breakdowns.
-The cast is just bizarrely small it actively harms the cases. In one case the entire suspect list is your dad, your childhood friend and a random character so GEEZ I WONDER WHO IS THE CRIMINAL!
-I don't understand why "question" (press) is there when it does nothing more than flavor text and maybe a tip. There is no press shenanigans so the interrogation never evolves beyond objection.
-Exploration is very linear with you going through the list of conversations then the list of explorables but everyone has a statement and you need to object the liar ones to progress, the problem si that not everyone is lying so i wasted time going back and forth on people being honest. On the other hand, the final case has the opposite problem where everyone says they were alone, then you prove one person wrong and they admit they saw someone, and you use that statement to object another person and do that 5 times in a row.
-I feel difficulty is harder than modern ace attorney but also a bit unintuitive and unbalanced. Sometimes you get confusing testimonies where it's hard to know what to do (i had to use guide multiple times), other times you have people legit going "It's not like i had any rope around to use!" and you present the rope box, like the game is making fun of itself now. The final case didn't feel like a final case.
-I wish it had at least SOME of ace attorney anime bullshit. You know when you say Objection! and the portrait into silence into phoenix smirking? That doesn't happen in Paper perjury. The villains have understandtable motives but this makes them very underwhelming to defeat. This is something Tyrion Cuthbert did really well despite my other gripes.
-The game has YURI BAIT between the MC and her detective friend and it's not subtle about it. I won't pretend AA doesn't do yaoi bait but "haha you're cute when you're flustered" out of nowhere really took me out. It's also a very fluffy yuri of the MC encouraging her friend and she hugs her kind of stuff so it's nothing too extreme but even the MC will be aware they're blushing so it doesn't have AA plausible deniability.
-There is a fucking deaf mute transgender teenage girl character that says "Justina really helped me out when i transitioned" and i had to take a break for a few days lol. It doesnt push any agendas really and it's not worth getting triggered but i'm leaving the warning here.
-There are 5 cases, the first is the tutorial, cases 2,3,4 are single exploratition and interrogation and case 5 has a short second exploration and second interrogation so compared to ace attorney it feels weirldy rushed, even if it isn't on practice.
Overall still an ok experience (i pirated it) altho it lacks ace attorney high stakes drama that makes it so entertaining. It seems most ace attorney likes fumble the ball in some way.
Tyrion cuthbert has some nifty ideas that are held back by it's low budget. It starts really meh and explodes in quality in the 2 final cases, but argueably too much anime and deus ex machinas.
Staffer Case has an amazing unique superpower setting, twists and starts very strong but recycles the same formula in all cases, the world building gets too convoluted for it's own good and the final case (IMO) is very slow and boring.
Paper perjury is kinda of the middle of the road where it stays decent all the way through and has some minor realistic escalation every case so it doesn't have the highest highs nor the lowest lows, only the middest mids.
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Frankly Apollo justice has been my favorite game in the franchise so far. More so then the trilogy even. Great music, best pixel art, good cases and testimony is challenging without being obtuse and requiring a guide.
Thought It was more realistic and interesting that the witnesses were not cooperating because they were often guilty of some other crime. Really liked Apollo justice and the dynamic he had with trucy over mia.
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I will never get over how retarded Case 3 gets, though. The fact that people even consider the possibility that a child could fire a revolver without severely dislocating his arms was beyond stupid; I would say on par with Turnabout Big Top's level of stupid.
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Lol I didn't even think about that. The most ridiculous part of that case was a child somehow carrying a grown mans corpse onto a an elevated platform. I had to mentally pretend that didn't happen, (which was easy as no one brings it up again in court)
All the same Im actually quite fond of that case for the twists, the novelty of having to explain a complex magic trick to the judge and editing a music track to look for clues. The amateur editor in me was delighted.
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The first case dragged on for-fucking-ever and I gave up on the second one before it even got to trial. I would like to go back and finish it even though I know the cases are retarded
Investigations 1 is okay, but Investigations 2 is complete dogshit. Not only are the cases the most implausible they have ever been up to that point, each part/chapter takes several hours and there are too many of them in each case. Investigations 2 is the worst in the series (at least before it went 3D)
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Didn’t know there was a thread
I wonder if they wil announce a new game in the next few months, they announced Megaman after that “revival” article so there’s hope.
“They need first to port Layton’s crossover though”
Not happening, Level-5 has been in a shitty position since they lost their guy. Even they’re slowly recovering, they are not in good terms with Capom - allegedly- since they made that game.
You have all those forensic officers walking around and that bitch Ema who loves scanning everything under the sun for years and years… yet when it mattered the most no one did it. The only time they ever extracted fingerprints in that case was in that unrelated air-vent segment because muh wizard oath.
The case would’ve died right then and there had anyone scanned the gun because the results would’ve shown clearly the shooter wasn’t this kid at all even with the gloves on.
Didn’t the shooter drop the gun right away and couldn’t do anything about it given the positioning? This case was unsalvageable and needed a serious rewrite and I honestly don’t understand how people defending this shit
Make no mistake, Big Top was an awful case as well mainly for being extremely boring until the big reveal + the case ending where Miles showed up on the phone implying that Wright completely fucked up the case … sadly that interesting concept went absolutely nowhere
I remember when people were praising Investigations 2 to high heaven for being the best game in the entire franchise, I wonder if that was a mere desperate call for Capcom to localize it anyway after they expressed their disappointment over Investigations 1 low sale figures - which they eventually did but took them 13 years-. Looking back at it, the game wasn’t the second coming of Christ like many claimed back in the day, it was better than Investigations 1 sure but still got its fair share of problems.
My biggest problem with Investigations 2 was: Apropos of nothing, at the late stage of the final case, Capcom decided to spoil the final revelation to the player on a golden platter without even asking. Imagine you tried avoiding spoilers for years only for the spoiler to hit you from the author just because. That Whispy Woods looking ass from Investigation 1 was annoying but at least he felt like a final boss with all different “penalties” he pulled every step. Here? Enjoy the free spoiler, hope you like it.
I wonder if they wil announce a new game in the next few months, they announced Megaman after that “revival” article so there’s hope.
“They need first to port Layton’s crossover though”
Not happening, Level-5 has been in a shitty position since they lost their guy. Even they’re slowly recovering, they are not in good terms with Capom - allegedly- since they made that game.
Screw that, here is why I consider case 3 by far the most retarded case ever: no one considered scanning the goddamn 70-inch long Magnum for fingerprints… like EVER
You have all those forensic officers walking around and that bitch Ema who loves scanning everything under the sun for years and years… yet when it mattered the most no one did it. The only time they ever extracted fingerprints in that case was in that unrelated air-vent segment because muh wizard oath.
The case would’ve died right then and there had anyone scanned the gun because the results would’ve shown clearly the shooter wasn’t this kid at all even with the gloves on.
Didn’t the shooter drop the gun right away and couldn’t do anything about it given the positioning? This case was unsalvageable and needed a serious rewrite and I honestly don’t understand how people defending this shit
Make no mistake, Big Top was an awful case as well mainly for being extremely boring until the big reveal + the case ending where Miles showed up on the phone implying that Wright completely fucked up the case … sadly that interesting concept went absolutely nowhere
I remember when people were praising Investigations 2 to high heaven for being the best game in the entire franchise, I wonder if that was a mere desperate call for Capcom to localize it anyway after they expressed their disappointment over Investigations 1 low sale figures - which they eventually did but took them 13 years-. Looking back at it, the game wasn’t the second coming of Christ like many claimed back in the day, it was better than Investigations 1 sure but still got its fair share of problems.
My biggest problem with Investigations 2 was: Apropos of nothing, at the late stage of the final case, Capcom decided to spoil the final revelation to the player on a golden platter without even asking. Imagine you tried avoiding spoilers for years only for the spoiler to hit you from the author just because. That Whispy Woods looking ass from Investigation 1 was annoying but at least he felt like a final boss with all different “penalties” he pulled every step. Here? Enjoy the free spoiler, hope you like it.
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The most retarded part about the AAI2 shitter main villain is that he's basically a rerun of the tree dude. Only, the reason why tree fuck can't be arrested is understandable due to his position, whereas that guy in AAI2 just goes "neener, neener can't arrest me no proof". Like that ever stopped anyone getting arrested in these games before. Pretty sure at this point he is the sole suspect in like 3 different crimes too.
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Are any of the various Steam ripoffs worth to play?
At least how I remember it, Investigations 2 had a pretty satisfying climax to the previous game, even if the plot itself wasn't too good.
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It was brought up before, but Tyrion Cuthbert is good. Definitely lower budget, especially when I played it 2 years ago and does crib a lot from Ace Attorney.
And speaking of which, it had a major update 2 days ago to polish and expand the story, with the mystery of case 3 being completely reworked. I'm just at the end of case 1, and did notice extra scenes/CGs/voice overs that weren't there previously. If anything, at least they didn't just abandon the game after it was done.
Same goes for the Staffer series, which had full voice acting added to the two current games. The price of the Staffer games did increase as a result through if you didn't already own them.
I'm waiting to see if Trials of Innocence will get either English or Japanese VOs, but it has a troubled development, so I might just go for silent if it takes too long.
At some point, I'll go over Burden of Truth/Proof too, which look jank but hey, I'd rather give those a go than stick to the AAA stuff.
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I didn’t play Trials of Innocence yet but I saw some highlights posted around
- The English translation was not bad all things considered. The bad ones are few and far between
- Some cases can be challenging
- They are quite shameless when it comes to aping AA. Even the judge have the same O_O face when he gets surprised
- Apparently there’s a DLC in the work + some sort of Physical Limited edition, I couldn’t read more about it because it’s mostly in the Chinese side
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I only want a new game if they stop writing themselves into a corner by not having characters return because they would spoil the events of previous games.
In fact, if they're going to do a new game, I'd actually suggest they just make random cases set in between the events of all the games to date. Stop trying to make the story move forward, stop trying to have an overarching plot.
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If they make a new game I want Wright married to Maya with 6 children. Stop with the fujoshit pandering.