Opinion A Realist’s Guide to Impeachment - Trump should face the consequences of his misdeeds, but the road ahead is perilous.

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An impeachment of President Donald Trump is both deserved and dangerous. That it’s deserved is clear from each day’s news reports. The danger is getting lost in the rush of events.

It’s unlikely that impeachment will find 67 votes in the Senate for removal. The process will almost certainly end with Trump acquitted, and acquitted in a reelection year. The political consequences of acquittal are obviously unpredictable but could be favorable to Trump’s reelection: Trump supporters may be mobilized, Trump opponents demoralized, and Democratic presidential candidates distracted from issues that may be more potent at the voting booth.

Meanwhile, impeachment is likely to do Trump less and less political harm the longer it lasts. As the Trump presidency daily proves, people can get used to anything. This latest Trump scandal led to an impeachment inquiry because it happened so fast—the shock was still fresh. But the Comey firing, the racist tirades, the “if it’s what you say I love it” email—those were all once shocking too. Then they blurred into the avalanche of Trump awfulness. Trump is protected by the sheer number of his high crimes and misdemeanors. He will certainly commit more, and then these latest risk being buried.

Some impeachment advocates compare today’s process to that of 1973–74, when Richard Nixon’s position gradually crumbled. Maybe, but 1973 and ’74 were years of severe economic distress, a losing war in Vietnam, rising crime in U.S. cities, and long lines at gas stations. Nixon headed a party in the minority in both the House and Senate, and a party less cohesive than the Republican Party of today. Once it split over Watergate, he fell. Trump’s party may lose a defector or two, but it won’t split.
So … eyes open. “You come at the king, you best not miss.” How do you incorporate that wisdom into today’s predicament?
Here are some guidelines to impeachment for realists:
1. Keep the story simple. Some have proposed a massive array of inquiries, delving into every facet of Trump’s corruption and abuse of power. This approach ensures a process that goes slow, yields confusing masses of facts, and opens endless opportunities for bad faith excuse-making by Trump and his enablers. Congress is not very good at investigating, and the more investigations Congress pursues, the more it is likely to mire itself in a morass.

Impeachment in the House is above all things an educational exercise for the voting public. Teach them one lesson: Trump betrayed the national-security interests of the United States to smear a political opponent.
2. Be political, not legal. Robert Mueller built a failure machine because he defined his job as punishing crimes rather than discovering the truth. If he found something that was very bad, but not criminal, he ignored it. If he could not establish a crime beyond a reasonable doubt, the criminal got away with it. If the crime was committed by the president, he in effect protected it. Mueller’s logic was amazingly self-defeating: Because the president cannot be indicted, he will never be heard in court; because the president will never be heard in court, it is unfair even to present evidence of crimes that will never be litigated. Impeachment busts out of this ridiculous trap.
[Adam Serwer: Why Republicans aren’t turning on Trump ]
3. Recognize that the opponent is McConnell. Trump is the target of impeachment, but the strategic locus of the impeachment process is Trump’s enabler and defender in the Senate, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. It is McConnell who will set the rules of the trial, McConnell who will determine how long it lasts and which witnesses are heard. McConnell presumably knows better than anybody how guilty Trump is—and for that very reason will work harder than anyone to protect Trump. The first task in a successful process is to shrink McConnell’s options for abusive behavior. That means prying just enough Republican senators loose from McConnell’s grip to create a bloc for fair rules.



4. Break the weakest links. Last night, The Washington Post reported that Trump told visiting Russians in June 2017 that he was unconcerned by their interference in the 2016 election. The Post cited three sources—meaning three officials held this appalling story secret for more than two years. Why did they step forward now? Maybe they think they are about to be fired if the Trump administration starts hunting for internal moles; maybe they didn’t believe, until the Ukraine whistle-blower came forward, that leaking would make any difference; maybe they just wanted to get on the right side before it’s too late.
Regardless, the pressures of impeachment create new incentives for administration officials exposed to job or legal risk. Former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats resigned without saying anything about what he saw on the job. Before Congress, he may be less reticent. The president’s private emissary, Rudy Giuliani, may be legally exposed as well. He may have things to say. Vice President Mike Pence, who played a role in Trump’s dealings with Ukraine, has important calculations to make about his political future. Trump implicated so many people that not all will stay loyal to the end. Some will crack and speak the truth about the criminality they saw. Identify them.

5. Keep the Democratic presidential candidates far away. Bill Clinton survived his impeachment crisis in 1998–99 in great part because he made the Republicans look sex-obsessed while he focused on his job. President Trump has never focused on anything longer than the time it takes to gulp down a Filet-O-Fish. He will be scandal-obsessed—and he will try to drag his prospective 2020 opponents into the mud with him. Their job is to leave the investigation to Congress—and to talk about health care, jobs, college tuition, the cost of Trump tariffs, and other issues of immediate concern to the pocketbook voters who will or won’t eject Trump from the presidency. Those voters will care whether their president is a disloyal criminal, but they may not care about every detail of his disloyalty and criminality. Leave those details to Congress; the candidates have other duties.
[Peter Beinart: The audacity of desperation ]
Trump’s support has moved within a band from the high 30s to the mid-40s through his presidency, edging sometimes toward the 46 percent he won in 2016. He has nowhere to grow. The 50-plus percent who reject him do so decisively and permanently. But a president backed by even one-third of the nation wields great power. If he can hold a blocking faction in the Senate, he becomes more powerful still. When that one-third backs him despite—or even sometimes because—they know him to be lawless, legality dwindles into an only semi-effective tool against him.
Nobody should have any illusions: Bringing anything like justice to President Trump will be neither easy nor safe. The exposure of Trump’s Ukraine extortion scheme forced impeachment on the country. It could not be ignored, and devices like censure are inadequate. But the days ahead are dark.
 
More hipster bugmen need to lose their jobs. I thought Gawker, Salon. And buzzfeed going under would stop dumb shit like this but it hadn't.
 
I think it will end like the Republicans impeachment of Clinton. It'll pass in the House, fail in the Senate and do more damage to the party doing impeaching than the party of the president being impeached.
 
>Realism
>Impeachment


A "realist" who thinks there's a more than 0% chance of impeachment working out is exceptional, not a realist. Choose one.
 
More hipster bugmen need to lose their jobs. I thought Gawker, Salon. And buzzfeed going under would stop dumb shit like this but it hadn't.
How many of them get bought out or limp along, though? Leftwing shill media is too bit to fail at this point. Didn't gawker get bought out, hype their return, and then fail when the writers unionized? Shit, Disney bought Vice for $400M, lost that in a couple years, and then Soros and Co Investments paid another $250M to keep them afloat.
Nobody has ever been impeached and removed, why do these people get so hung up on this? There's like a year of Trump left.
Uh, have you never heard of RiChArD nIxOn? He explained it all in his famous speech
Tricky Dick himself said:
This is the 37th time I have spoken to you from this office, where so many decisions have been made that shaped the history of this Nation. Each time I have done so to discuss with you some matter that I believe affected the national interest.

In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the Nation. Throughout the long and difficult period of Watergate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which you elected me.

In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the Congress to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see the constitutional process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.

But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the constitutional purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged.

I would have preferred to carry through to the finish whatever the personal agony it would have involved, and my family unanimously urged me to do so. But the interest of the Nation must always come before any personal considerations.

From the discussions I have had with Congressional and other leaders, I have concluded that because of the Watergate matter I might not have the support of the Congress that I would consider necessary to back the very difficult decisions and carry out the duties of this office in the way the interests of the Nation would require.

I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as President, I must put the interest of America first. America needs a full-time President and a full-time Congress, particularly at this time with problems we face at home and abroad.

To continue to fight through the months ahead for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Congress in a period when our entire focus should be on the great issues of peace abroad and prosperity without inflation at home.

Therefore, I shall re
GET IMPEACHED IN SHAME FOR BEING A REPUBLICAN, THE END!

Seriously though, shitloads of people think Nixon got impeached and was booted out of office. It got hyped up again for Clinton in the 90s. Impeachment = going to real nigga jail according to the bullshit the MSM spews.
 
Nobody has ever been impeached and removed, why do these people get so hung up on this? There's like a year of Trump left.
There's either a year of Trump left (so it doesn't matter), or there's five years of Trump left with a voter-approved mandate against Impeachment. The whole thing is absolutely beautiful.
 
I honestly question whether the Dems learned ANYTHING from the Clinton mess.

Politics for the last couple decades has been like watching a couple mentally disabled kids punch themselves in the face over and over again, simply because the other one is doing it.
 
I honestly question whether the Dems learned ANYTHING from the Clinton mess.

Politics for the last couple decades has been like watching a couple mentally disabled kids punch themselves in the face over and over again, simply because the other one is doing it.
>have the dems learned anything

You can stop there because the answer is always, always no.
 
It always kind of was. At this point even if Trump does get impeached there's no way he would step down, getting impeached is so obviously a democrat attack tactic that it if it does happen no one with any sense would believe he was impeached for a legitimate reason.
The only caveat is IF, and it's a bit fucking it, the ReTHUGlican establishment can get enough gas behind them for people to believe. They still are not behind Trump. He isn't even half the neocon/neoliberal shill the 2016 POTUS, HIllary, should have been. Trump had to make a deal with the devil to get elected and they never entirely agreed. A lot of it died with McCain, but not even endorsing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel was enough to satiate these Zionists.
I honestly question whether the Dems learned ANYTHING from the Clinton mess.
They did not.
 
I honestly question whether the Dems learned ANYTHING from the Clinton mess.

Politics for the last couple decades has been like watching a couple mentally disabled kids punch themselves in the face over and over again, simply because the other one is doing it.
Of course not, it's because the vast majority of Americans are gun loving alt-righters who shout Sieg Heil and 1488 and want to kill all minorities. The campaign they ran was perfect, it's the audience's fault for not picking up on it.

This but unironically.
 
I literally don't understand the accusation against Trump.

People have been talking about Trump's impeachment since he was elected - when I try to google "trump impeachment", I just get a bunch of drivel from people who've been trying to get him impeached since he was elected, and some audio where he leans on some leader in the Ukraine a little a bit. I heard that audio, and I honestly don't understand what the problem is. If the people who are trying to get him impeached could state a claim - e.g. Trump did x. This is illegal because it breaks y law and is an impeachable offense - then maybe I could even engage with the hearing.
 
At this point it’s more like a “tough guy on the internet” thing, they’ll make claims to remove them all they want but they won’t have anything to back it up.
 
Of course not, it's because the vast majority of Americans are gun loving alt-righters who shout Sieg Heil and 1488 and want to kill all minorities. The campaign they ran was perfect, it's the audience's fault for not picking up on it.

This but unironically.
The irony is that if the Dems ran on a platform of how they would provide welfare to everyone instead of how they hated rural whites, then instead they could have raked millions of white fence voters in by the millions. Seriously, rural people are fucked because the once regional manufacturing jobs went to China and the only farms that are profitable nowadays are the ones who's industry can bribe the government enough. The GOP has only started caring about them in the past 5 years and the DNC is obsessed with figuring how how they can replace hillbilly trash with niggers.
I literally don't understand the accusation against Trump.

People have been talking about Trump's impeachment since he was elected - when I try to google "trump impeachment", I just get a bunch of drivel from people who've been trying to get him impeached since he was elected, and some audio where he leans on some leader in the Ukraine a little a bit. I heard that audio, and I honestly don't understand what the problem is. If the people who are trying to get him impeached could state a claim - e.g. Trump did x. This is illegal because it breaks y law and is an impeachable offense - then maybe I could even engage with the hearing.
ORANGE MAN BAD. This is unironically all you need to understand. It's fucking pathetic.
 
Oh, this is perfect. They’re gonna use the impeachment proceedings to educate us on THE MANY HORRIBLE not crimes OF BLUMPF and how Trumpists are BAD PEOPLE (but have done nothing legally wrong).

In other words, exactly what they’ve been doing. Which has worked so well.

“Trump will try to drag his opponents into the mud so ignore him and talk about the issues,” which Democrats have abjectly failed to do even without the shiny prize of impeachment being dangled before them.

They’re straight up admitting they don’t have shit, so they have to hammer on the awful badness that STILL isn’t illegal...
 
Oh, this is perfect. They’re gonna use the impeachment proceedings to educate us on THE MANY HORRIBLE not crimes OF BLUMPF and how Trumpists are BAD PEOPLE (but have done nothing legally wrong).

In other words, exactly what they’ve been doing. Which has worked so well.

“Trump will try to drag his opponents into the mud so ignore him and talk about the issues,” which Democrats have abjectly failed to do even without the shiny prize of impeachment being dangled before them.

They’re straight up admitting they don’t have shit, so they have to hammer on the awful badness that STILL isn’t illegal...
This next year is gonna be an absolute slaughter. At this rate Trump is gonna crush them with little effort.
 
I literally don't understand the accusation against Trump.

People have been talking about Trump's impeachment since he was elected - when I try to google "trump impeachment", I just get a bunch of drivel from people who've been trying to get him impeached since he was elected, and some audio where he leans on some leader in the Ukraine a little a bit. I heard that audio, and I honestly don't understand what the problem is. If the people who are trying to get him impeached could state a claim - e.g. Trump did x. This is illegal because it breaks y law and is an impeachable offense - then maybe I could even engage with the hearing.

I'm actually kind of right there with you in confusion.

As best I can figure out, the "IMPEACH!" position is that Trump having even discussed the whole "Biden/Biden's Son/Attourney General Firing/Corruption" mess with Ukraine is at least borderline impeachable in it's own right, and the fact that at a prior point a percentage of their aid was was delayed - even though this was not in way way discussed - is the nail in the coffin.
 
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