Containment 24-Julay-2016 Taint Megathread

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Marvin said:
I mean, there are support groups for battered wives and former cult members, but Chris doesn't have much of a support network for escaping Barb.
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All he needs to do is get an apartment and get his shit out of the house before Barb destroys it when she finds out. And hope that Virginia doesnt start arbitrarily enforcing its filial laws.

yawning sneasel said:
I wonder if Chris ever has a pus-filled vaginal belch when he sneezes.
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Your spank bank needs feeding huh.
 
zap2theextreme said:
I think what he is saying is that Chris will never have a deep meaningful conversation with anyone about anything other than what pokemon is his favorite.
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Ok, but that is the level of socialization he can handle and likes best. When Chris is happiest socializing he is shooting the shit about something that most of us don't find that interesting. But he does, and he likes talking about it. And there are some other people who find that conversation mildly interesting, entertaining, or at least tolerable.

I guess the way I look at it is that it is what he wants, so what's the big deal? Maybe it wouldn't satisfy you, but everyone is different.

Marvin said:
I wouldn't say that the lovequest was started as a solution to his problems. I would instead say that Chris always thought not having a sweetheart was his only problem. Otherwise his life was bangin.

Now nowadays, Chris is indeed dealing with actual problems. The only solution he can think of is for him to find a girlfriend. Admittedly, that sounds super exceptional, but I can clean it up and make it sound downright reasonable: the solution to Chris' problems is for him to find a fucking miracle. Because otherwise he's almost fucked.

I mean, there are support groups for battered wives and former cult members, but Chris doesn't have much of a support network for escaping Barb.
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There seems to be a continuity in the whole thing. Absent a sweetheart, his future has always consisted of living with both parents, then living with one parent, then living either alone or some social housing. Money is always going to be tight.

That is not how he sees his ideal future. In his ideal world, he lives with a wife and kids. He contributes his tugboat and his general presence to the household, and his wife provides stability, financial and general life support, and legitmates his "mainstreaming" into normal, neurotypical life.

In some ways not a lot has changed, except that his life has moved one more step down the path. And there is more desperation. Because he has tried and failed for more than a decade. Because he is no longer a single guy in his 20's, he is a single guy in his mid thirties. And I suppose, as you say, his life living alone with Barb is a lot shittier than his life living with Bob and Barb.

His main problem is that he accepts no substitutes in his ideal future life, and he is really reluctant to take any steps that don't directly and concretely advance that goal. He refused to accept Megan as a friend as a decent substitute for having her as a sweetheart. He dismisses the autistic community, which are probably his only source of candidates for lasting equal-footing friendships or relationships. He barely considers getting a job or moving out on his own. He ignores all of the many opportunities he has to improve his lot in life a little, because he has adopted an all-or-nothing philosophy about his sweetheart search.
 
timtommy said:
Ok, but that is the level of socialization he can handle and likes best. When Chris is happiest socializing he is shooting the shit about something that most of us don't find that interesting. But he does, and he likes talking about it. And there are some other people who find that conversation mildly interesting, entertaining, or at least tolerable.
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He has the typical autistic issue of being completely incapable of understanding conversational flow. That, combined with his belief that he is the most important person in any interaction makes communicating with him head-bangingly frustrating.
 
DragoonSierra said:
All he needs to do is get an apartment and get his shit out of the house before Barb destroys it when she finds out.
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Chris is basically a gay teenaged runaway in the south. He's 34 and he's got to get permission to go on overnight trips places.

Actually, now that I think about it: has Chris ever stayed overnight anywhere without Barb (or her permission in the matter)? I don't think he has.

Edit: Speak of the devil, someone asked this question in another thread.
MrsFrizzle said:
If Chris went to a psychotherapist or psychiatrist, that person could be a gateway to support networks. Even in the grossly underfunded social services environment of Greene County. But Chris isn't going to do that, so it's moot.
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Chris does have his therapy group, so there's a chance there.
 
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Marvin said:
Actually, now that I think about it: has Chris ever stayed overnight anywhere without Barb (or her permission in the matter)? I don't think he has.
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Didn't he stay in a hotel for some con? He took a ton of soda and pixelblocks to keep him company. I remember reading about it on the CWCki. I'll go see if I can find it, but it read like no one else was with him.

Edit: Yep - Anime Mid-Atlantic. Under 2005:
"This year, Chris stayed for all three days of the convention, and spent two nights at a hotel alone."
 
timtommy said:
His main problem is that he accepts no substitutes in his ideal future life, and he is really reluctant to take any steps that don't directly and concretely advance that goal. He refused to accept Megan as a friend as a decent substitute for having her as a sweetheart. He dismisses the autistic community, which are probably his only source of candidates for lasting equal-footing friendships or relationships. He barely considers getting a job or moving out on his own. He ignores all of the many opportunities he has to improve his lot in life a little, because he has adopted an all-or-nothing philosophy about his sweetheart search.
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This, so much. The way Chris has constantly berated and dismissed other autists has ruined his chances of ever being around the one demographic that is inclined to cut him some slack and that may actually understand his issues. But he has to act 'holier than thou' and call them 'windows into hell'. The hypocrisy is thick but more than that, this attitude makes sure he never gets actual friends.
Could it be that Chris was afraid that interacting with other autists would aggravate his condition?

Either way, Chris does a fine job of sabotaging his own life.
 
Iam said:
This, so much. The way Chris has constantly berated and dismissed other autists has ruined his chances of ever being around the one demographic that is inclined to cut him some slack and that may actually understand his issues. But he has to act 'holier than thou' and call them 'windows into hell'. The hypocrisy is thick but more than that, this attitude makes sure he never gets actual friends.
Could it be that Chris was afraid that interacting with other autists would aggravate his condition?

Either way, Chris does a fine job of sabotaging his own life.
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Chris hasn't constantly berated autists. He's complained a handful of times over the years about how the severely retarded scare him. It's not like he's got no life experience in this. He rode the short bus and got hassled by retards.

His complaints about retards are because they scare him / gross him out. This is in line with how plenty of normal people might be uncomfortable with seeing dying people in the hospital, or heroin junkies, or whatever. The only difference is that Chris doesn't know to keep his mouth shut. Chris isn't being a bad person for having these feelings; he's only being a rude person for voicing them.

And all that aside, he doesn't refuse to socialize with milder retards / autists, as people popularly believe. He's just fine with them, for example he enthusiastically wanted to bang the Wallflower and he doesn't have an issue talking to spergs.

He doesn't have a holier-than-thou attitude either. He's always complaining about how he feels retarded himself.

People read the cwcki too uncritically. The cwcki is not meant to be an accurate analysis of Chris. The cwcki is for fun, it is not meant to be taken seriously.
 
Marvin said:
Actually, now that I think about it: has Chris ever stayed overnight anywhere without Barb (or her permission in the matter)? I don't think he has.
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He probably hasn't, but it is a bit of an unfair standard because he has lived with her for his entire adult life. So even if he were regularly spending the night elsewhere for various reasons, he would have to either be actively defying her or doing it with her blessing, at least tacitly.


Marvin said:
Chris hasn't constantly berated autists. He's complained a handful of times over the years about how the severely exceptional scare him. It's not like he's got no life experience in this. He rode the short bus and got hassled by exceptional individuals.

His complaints about exceptional individuals are because they scare him / gross him out. This is in line with how plenty of normal people might be uncomfortable with seeing dying people in the hospital, or heroin junkies, or whatever. The only difference is that Chris doesn't know to keep his mouth shut. Chris isn't being a bad person for having these feelings; he's only being a rude person for voicing them.

And all that aside, he doesn't refuse to socialize with milder exceptional individuals / autists, as people popularly believe. He's just fine with them, for example he enthusiastically wanted to bang the Wallflower and he doesn't have an issue talking to spergs.

He doesn't have a holier-than-thou attitude either. He's always complaining about how he feels exceptional himself.

People read the cwcki too uncritically. The cwcki is not meant to be an accurate analysis of Chris. The cwcki is for fun, it is not meant to be taken seriously.
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I agree with the general sentiment, but I think you are downplaying Chris' aversion to other autistics a little. Or at least, his desire to fit in to "neurotypical" society. As you say, he would be cool with it if a couple other autistic people were kicking around too, but he does resist the idea of making the autistic community his social outlet. Which is a factor in why he has never been able to maintain a social outlet.

I think that something similar to his parents' obsession with mainstreaming has hampered his life significantly. He badly wants to fit into the "neurotypical" community, and he is going to keep trying and fucking it up forever.
 
Marvin said:
Actually, now that I think about it: has Chris ever stayed overnight anywhere without Barb (or her permission in the matter)? I don't think he has.
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There was that one time:

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timtommy said:
I agree with the general sentiment, but I think you are downplaying Chris' aversion to other autistics a little. Or at least, his desire to fit in to "neurotypical" society. As you say, he would be cool with it if a couple other autistic people were kicking around too, but he does resist the idea of making the autistic community his social outlet. Which is a factor in why he has never been able to maintain a social outlet.
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I don't know about that.

In the past, Chris has associated some very strong emotions have been associated with ideas like "mainstreaming" and "autism", but as we've seen, the devil is in the details as far as the specific way Chris expresses those emotions. His reactions can swing either way. (For example, he regularly goes back between hating being associated with autism, and claiming it as why he's special/oppressed.)

Unlike most things Chris might care about, I doubt solid examples of Chris disliking tards will materialize.
 
timtommy said:
I agree with the general sentiment, but I think you are downplaying Chris' aversion to other autistics a little
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Yeah, I remember his autistic tirade about Aspergers stealing away the spotlight away from him and the "windows to hell" routine. Dating the wallflower and the hambeast can easily be explained away by just desperation. People have told Chris before that he would probably have a better time attracting someone that was slow in the minds too, yet he always advertises toward neurotypicals, it's never, "I'm open to slow in the minds too"
timtommy said:
Or at least, his desire to fit in to "neurotypical" society.
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I've always thought this about Chris too, from being a clown shirted idiot to his most recent incarnation as a mentally r.etarded, white trash slut, and everything in between, which has been a lot.
I think Chris' problem is that he is so mentally deficient that he can't realize that he just cannot fit in. If he embraced his autism like Temple Grandin, he would probably get a lot more positive attention.
That's another thing, Chris has never really embraced his autism publicly unless he's trying to sell some terrible recolor or abomination. I think that if Chris just really tried to accept himself for a year or two without hiding behind some overlyexceptional gimmick, a lot of opportunities would open up for him.
 
voker57 said:
Chris used to have so much hair back then. And it was probably the last time it got washed.
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So much hair, relative to now, at least.
Now, his bangs look like those vellus, short hairs that children have along their hairlines. (baby hairs)
 
Marvin said:
Chris does have his therapy group, so there's a chance there.
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I'm curious about how helpful that is. I believe someone (maybe you) said it's kind of a hugbox for Chris to talk about how he's a lesbian trapped in a male body. Basically a group of tards giving each other positive feels. Which isn't necessarily bad, but what Chris probably needs more is a professional to challenge him to think about how to make better decisions and guide him to develop a healthier understanding about things. Kind of a counterBarb.
 
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