2023 Ohio train derailment and aftermath - WE REQUIRE MORE PHOSGENE GAS

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Green Man said:
It did, it started burning immediately after the train derailed, you could see smoke if you went to NWS that night and switched to the Pittsburgh radar radius, roughly ten minutes after it happened. Supposedly the National Guard went in and purposely used explosives to vent one of the tanks because if it continued building up pressure, it would have leveled a good portion of the town. This is all per local media, and I am rather confused that people are just now realizing this happened? I'm in Ohio and I knew about it in less than ten minutes, but I'm seeing remarks about 'media blackouts' and conspiracies. In fact, most of the people who live in town there have been allowed to return home. The EPA claims that the groundwater is safe to drink and they're giving people test kits so they can check their tap and well water. Ultimately some livestock died, it made a big fucking mess and killed off fish in a nearby stream, but all of a sudden the internet is losing its fucking mind over this incident which is pretty much resolved.

I don't know, I find it rather odd. If people were going to panic over this they should have been doing so a week ago, kek. Now the main part of the story I'm interested in is lingering health effects for local people, and how fat the lawsuit will be against the rail company that caused it via negligence or poor maintenance. Supposedly the conductor was not at fault because his equipment failed, so that's really going to fall on the company if they weren't maintaining their rigs. I just find it amusing how delayed the hysterics over this are. For reference East Palestine, Ohio is basically a stone's throw from the Pennsylvania border. Given that wind usually travels west-to-east it should have been a no-brainer that the smoke would proliferate over other states.
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The reason people are calling this a coverup despite the local media report is that by the regular standards of reporting that were used before clown world took over this would have been national and international news. Instead outside of Ohio everyone was told to look at the chink balloon and now they are being told to look at all these chink balloons that are absolutely not just balloons guy they are UFO's look at them look at out mighty Air For shoot them down look at it!
 
R.I.P Vinyl Chloride
1835-2023
We will miss you, you were a honourable and respected chemical in the polymer industry... Killed by glowniggers in Ohio.
#organochloridelivesmatter

Eta: I'm the biggest fan of Vinyl Chloride and I am literally shaking and crying after hearing about his death.
 
Lichen Bark said:
Some more pics. The crops should soak up all the bad stuff don't worry....
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I've seen this before.
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Based Ohioans filing a class-action lawsuit not realizing even a tangential exposure to this spill (which everyone in the area has likely been exposed to as the rail company let it burn for two days straight, took an overly-long time to inform locals of what exactly happened & spent more effort trying to get locals to sign an NDA for a measly $1000) will give you cancer within a year. Not that Norfolk Southern will even exist for that long to pay out since the EPA is trying to wring them for fines.
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As far as I'm concerned all these officials telling the evacuated to move back in have simply accepted they are all dead. You can't boil out shit like benzene & you can't carbon filter entire rivers or irrigation systems. If you can actually smell any of these chemicals in the air as some locals claim you have more than trace amounts in your body which will absolutely kill you. If you are one of those few groups who lives very humbly (read: Amish) you, your family & your community have been genocided by this rail company.
 
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Looks like there was 4 carts of vinyl chloride burned and a bunch of malt liquor from the train report from the EPA. I included the list below from the epa site if anyone wants to check it out
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Hunter should be more careful with his crackpipe.

Dark Brandon be like,
"Go ahead and vote Republican again, Ohio.
I dare you."
 
They "donated" 25k to the local Red Cross efforts, and now they are sending 1k checks to locals and offering to pay for expenses for sending "cleaners" to their homes who are probably just some regular house cleaning service to remove dust.

They know they fucked up super hard. They know people are gonna develop super-cancer. They are desperate to try and get them to sign NDAs and waive their right to sue away. I would not be surprised if they are getting every single lobbyist and media guy they have connections to to deflect and bury this as much as they can.
 
ChunkyKong said:
Looks like there was 4 carts of vinyl chloride burned and a bunch of malt liquor from the train report from the EPA. I included the list below from the epa site if anyone wants to check it out
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All shit posting aside, I brushed this story aside got hood winked by Balloons. I used to work a Paper Plant, and Black liquer is no joke, this is a huge disaster thanks for your post I had no Idea it was carrying that shit ... this is bad ........
 
General Emílio Médici said:
The reason people are calling this a coverup despite the local media report is that by the regular standards of reporting that were used before clown world took over this would have been national and international news. Instead outside of Ohio everyone was told to look at the chink balloon and now they are being told to look at all these chink balloons that are absolutely not just balloons guy they are UFO's look at them look at out mighty Air For shoot them down look at it!
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The reason why this is being ignored is that it's rural White people. If this train derailed in a Black area the Vice President would be there.

Additionally, Bidens support for the railroad operators make this politically sensitive.
 
ChunkyKong said:
Looks like there was 4 carts of vinyl chloride burned and a bunch of malt liquor from the train report from the EPA. I included the list below from the epa site if anyone wants to check it out
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We really need a chemist or someone who has a deeper knowledge to look at the data on the EPA site and give us some insight. Some of it just straight up does not make sense to me, and I really hope it is just a case of me being ignorant of the finer points of chemistry. Because the fact the company the EPA hired to fly a plane with chemical analyzers on their wings found a 0.5ppm of Sarin and 0.7ppm of Tabun. It's a absolute tiny amount but I am not aware of nerve agents just being around in any sort of detectable measure at all times.

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General Emílio Médici said:
We really need a chemist or someone who has a deeper knowledge to look at the data on the EPA site and give us some insight. Some of it just straight up does not make sense to me, and I really hope it is just a case of me being ignorant of the finer points of chemistry. Because the fact the company the EPA hired to fly a plane with chemical analyzers on their wings found a 0.5ppm of Sarin and 0.7ppm of Tabun. It's a absolute tiny amount but I am not aware of nerve agents just being around in any sort of detectable measure at all times.

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It seems more to me like you need an English teacher that has deeper knowledge of how to fucking read the sentence of text at the top of the image.
 
Not to be that guy, but I do find it funny that PA suddenly got hit with a "Special Weather Statement" today specifically about an increased chance of wildfires due to "dry and windy conditions".
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To cut a long story short, Pennsylvania literally means "Penn's Woods" in Latin. Meaning the state is literally named after all the fucking trees it has. PA is basically one giant tinderbox.

Couple that with the fact that the Centralia fire is still going on, and it's basically the absolute last place you want a wildfire to break out. Especially one caused by chemicals.
 
VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
It seems more to me like you need an English teacher that has deeper knowledge of how to fucking read the sentence of text at the top of the image.
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I get that this is a automated detection protocol and that the detection equipment is checking for everything on the databank even if they don't expect it, but I still have questions. You may notice the levels of Phosgene are on the same ballpark as the Sarin and Tabun for example, which is odd because the burning of Vinyl Chloride produces Phosgene and the authorities mentioned Phosgene as having been released by it so I would expect the data to show a marked increase.

Hence why I am asking for a chemist. Academics please respond.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
I get that this is a automated detection protocol and that the detection equipment is checking for everything on the databank even if they don't expect it, but I still have questions. You may notice the levels of Phosgene are on the same ballpark as the Sarin and Tabun for example, which is odd because the burning of Vinyl Chloride produces Phosgene and the authorities mentioned Phosgene as having been released by it so I would expect the data to show a marked increase.

Hence why I am asking for a chemist. Academics please respond.
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OK since you were too dense to correctly understand what I said in my first reply:

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Can you read what this says? Does this say anywhere that these are the results of the test runs done by ASPECT?
No? Interesting. Well what does it say these are? Oh these are detection limits? As in, the minimum amount of PPM of a certain compound in order for it to be detected by the unit??

Wow!

Go back to remedial english retard
 
The "controlled burn" is pure BS, simply judging by the amount of smoke. Most volatile organic compounds can be burned to CO2, H2O (and in case of chlorinated organics such as vinyl chloride, add HCl or Cl2 to the mix), but that process requires excess oxygen and high temps (>700C), and shouldn't produce black smoke (a sure sign of incomplete oxidation).
When organic compound undergoes incomplete oxidation, the products are all over the place, due to nonselective nature of burning. So, in this black cloud you'll have all sorts of nasty stuff: phosgene, dioxins, carbon monoxide, HCl, chlorine, non-oxidized vinyl chloride, its dimers etc.
On the flip side, vinyl chloride is lighter than air so it should disperse into atmosphere rather quickly and won't be sitting in cellars for weeks. Phosgene shouldn't inflict long-lasting damage, it hydrolyzes in the atmosphere (hydrolysis produces hydrochloric acid, so it's still bad for wildlife/plants, but at least the pollution won't be persistent). Although it's also heavier than air, forms toxic blanket near the ground and therefore can kill pets and other small critters even though humans won't be exposed due to their height.
Plastics can absorb vinyl chloride or its dimers and later leak it into environment, so locals should keep that in mind. Damage to soil/ground water needs to be evaluated further.
ChunkyKong said:
Looks like there was 4 carts of vinyl chloride burned and a bunch of malt liquor from the train report from the EPA. I included the list below from the epa site if anyone wants to check it out
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Nothing too nasty. Good thing that benzene tanks are intact.
 
VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
OK since you were too dense to correctly understand what I said in my first reply:

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Can you read what this says? Does this say anywhere that these are the results of the test runs done by ASPECT?
No? Interesting. Well what does it say these are? Oh these are detection limits? As in, the minimum amount of PPM of a certain compound in order for it to be detected by the unit??

Wow!

Go back to remedial english retard
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Oh. Oh.

That makes a lot more sense. Thank fuck.

I feel stupid. Thank God I didn't just start screaming about it and instead asked for clarification.
 
tulskij_tochnyj said:
On the flip side, vinyl chloride is lighter than air so it should disperse into atmosphere rather quickly and won't be sitting in cellars for weeks.
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tulskij_tochnyj said:
Plastics can absorb vinyl chloride or its dimers and later leak it into environment, so locals should keep that in mind. Damage to soil/ground water needs to be evaluated further.
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Can vinyl chloride get into clouds and be distributed by rainwater? I'm trying to guess how wide the danger zone is.
 
Spiny Rumples said:
Can vinyl chloride get into clouds and be distributed by rainwater? I'm trying to guess how wide the danger zone is.
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It can, but it'll be rather diluted at that point. Plus, most of it was burned on-site, and the most dangerous combustion product, phosgene, is too heavy to get far.
 
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