2023 Ohio train derailment and aftermath - WE REQUIRE MORE PHOSGENE GAS

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Kari Kamiya said:
Those pictures of the dark blue clouds is super ominous and there's no way you can spin that as anything but. It really does activate my almonds that no one's talking about it, nor that we've heard much from the residents.
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The 4chan post sounds like LARP by someone who doesn't understand things much. The cargo was Vinyl Chloride, not poly. Poly Vinyl Chloride is colloquially known as PVC, as in the pipes people use for water. The process makes the chemical bond with other additives which makes it almost harmless unless you burn it, and even if you burn PVC it is still not as bad as the Vinyl Chloride alone. The mention of "dude died of cancer from uncured PVC" may be a refference to how back in the day the regulations allowed workers to be exposed to a lot more of it on which case yeah the stuff if hilariously toxic.

It is likely the talk of a "controlled detonation" is a bit of a stretch. The Vinyl Chloride can ignite with ease once exposed to air and I am willing to bet money that it started burning as soon as it derailed.
 
namvata said:
Ohio go 5 seconds without fucking up the great lakes ecosystem challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

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All that green stuff is runoff from Saint Patties Day Skyline Chili celebrations.

ArthuriusMartyrius said:
I'm surprised the Great Lakes area isn't just a radioactive no-go zone at this point given how often accidents with toxic shit happen there.
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Sad fact: there is nothing safely edible in the great lakes. All those inland rivers and lakes? Not a one is safe to eat from either.

Eating a fish from a West Virginia and Ohio river or lake is like drinking a month’s worth of contaminated water​

Eating just one freshwater fish equalled drinking water with PFOS at 48 parts per trillion for a month, the researchers calculated.

Last year, the Environmental Protection Agency lowered the level of PFOS in drinking water it considers safe to 0.02 parts per trillion.

The total PFAS level in the freshwater fish was 278 times higher than what has been found in commercially sold fish, the study said.
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Guidelines for preparing and eating Ohio fish

Take steps to avoid possible contaminants
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• Bake, broil or grill the fish so that the fat and any contaminants the fat contains can drip away. Pan-frying is not recommended.
• If you poach or deep fry your fish, discard the poaching liquid or cooking oil.
• Using the fish for a soup or chowder could retain the fat and the contaminants in the fat.
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Make sure to dump your spent cooking oil into the nearest gutter, so the chain of toxic waste can continue unabated.
 
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General Emílio Médici said:
The 4chan post sounds like LARP by someone who doesn't understand things much. The cargo was Vinyl Chloride, not poly. Poly Vinyl Chloride is colloquially known as PVC, as in the pipes people use for water. The process makes the chemical bond with other additives which makes it almost harmless unless you burn it, and even if you burn PVC it is still not as bad as the Vinyl Chloride alone. The mention of "dude died of cancer from uncured PVC" may be a refference to how back in the day the regulations allowed workers to be exposed to a lot more of it on which case yeah the stuff if hilariously toxic.

It is likely the talk of a "controlled detonation" is a bit of a stretch. The Vinyl Chloride can ignite with ease once exposed to air and I am willing to bet money that it started burning as soon as it derailed.
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A friend sent me the screencap, but it was the thought that the derailment happened in an area with viable farm land and that the MSM is just not talking about it while the clouds have been traveling for miles makes me wonder if there could be something being kept from the public. I just have to wonder about how long the chemicals will be up in the air for, and how devastating the acid rains will be. It doesn't sound like the Rust Belt is in for a good time.
 
Acid rain... Now that is something I hadn't remembered about.

Yeah the area is fucked the next rain will be straight up vinegar. Vinyl Chloride when burned releases a lot of Hydrogen chloride which turns into Hydrochloric Acid in contact with water.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
The 4chan post sounds like LARP by someone who doesn't understand things much. The cargo was Vinyl Chloride, not poly. Poly Vinyl Chloride is colloquially known as PVC, as in the pipes people use for water. The process makes the chemical bond with other additives which makes it almost harmless unless you burn it, and even if you burn PVC it is still not as bad as the Vinyl Chloride alone. The mention of "dude died of cancer from uncured PVC" may be a refference to how back in the day the regulations allowed workers to be exposed to a lot more of it on which case yeah the stuff if hilariously toxic.

It is likely the talk of a "controlled detonation" is a bit of a stretch. The Vinyl Chloride can ignite with ease once exposed to air and I am willing to bet money that it started burning as soon as it derailed.
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It did, it started burning immediately after the train derailed, you could see smoke if you went to NWS that night and switched to the Pittsburgh radar radius, roughly ten minutes after it happened. Supposedly the National Guard went in and purposely used explosives to vent one of the tanks because if it continued building up pressure, it would have leveled a good portion of the town. This is all per local media, and I am rather confused that people are just now realizing this happened? I'm in Ohio and I knew about it in less than ten minutes, but I'm seeing remarks about 'media blackouts' and conspiracies. In fact, most of the people who live in town there have been allowed to return home. The EPA claims that the groundwater is safe to drink and they're giving people test kits so they can check their tap and well water. Ultimately some livestock died, it made a big fucking mess and killed off fish in a nearby stream, but all of a sudden the internet is losing its fucking mind over this incident which is pretty much resolved.

I don't know, I find it rather odd. If people were going to panic over this they should have been doing so a week ago, kek. Now the main part of the story I'm interested in is lingering health effects for local people, and how fat the lawsuit will be against the rail company that caused it via negligence or poor maintenance. Supposedly the conductor was not at fault because his equipment failed, so that's really going to fall on the company if they weren't maintaining their rigs. I just find it amusing how delayed the hysterics over this are. For reference East Palestine, Ohio is basically a stone's throw from the Pennsylvania border. Given that wind usually travels west-to-east it should have been a no-brainer that the smoke would proliferate over other states.
 
There wasn't much of a smell in town on Friday. And none today. We're all just blessed it was mostly out of town when it derailed.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
A friend sent me the screencap, but it was the thought that the derailment happened in an area with viable farm land and that the MSM is just not talking about it while the clouds have been traveling for miles makes me wonder if there could be something being kept from the public. I just have to wonder about how long the chemicals will be up in the air for, and how devastating the acid rains will be. It doesn't sound like the Rust Belt is in for a good time.
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I have family pretty close to this area (which makes me very, very nervous for them and their health) and I'm gonna shoot down that "middle of the most viable farmland in the country" thing the 4chan guy was talking about. East Palestine is in Eastern Ohio, almost on the border of Pennsylvania, and is in the foothills of the Appalachians. Coal and manufacturing is king there. There is definitely farmland around there, yes, but I wouldn't consider it some of the best in the country, or even just the state- the best farmland in the state is located closer to Central and Northwestern Ohio. Still, the chemicals from this disaster could make their way out across the state, which is extremely concerning. It's a horrible disaster all around and one the state is likely going to be feeling for years, if not decades to come.
 
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madethistocomment said:
I have family pretty close to this area (which makes me very, very nervous for them and their health) and I'm gonna shoot down that "middle of the most viable farmland in the country" thing the 4chan guy was talking about. East Palestine is in Eastern Ohio, almost on the border of Pennsylvania, and is in the foothills of the Appalachians. Coal and manufacturing is king there. There is definitely farmland around there, yes, but I wouldn't consider it some of the best in the country- the best farmland in the state is located closer to Central and Northwestern Ohio. Still, the chemicals from this disaster could make their way out across the state, which is extremely concerning. It's a horrible disaster all around and one the state is likely going to be feeling for years, if not decades to come.
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Yeah, I have family in south Ohio. They're not THAT close to it, but I still sent my cousin a message earlier tonight warning her to keep an eye out for this thing. I'm concerned especially because she has three young children.
 
That was the control
NoReturn said:
Just a couple things from 4chan
The initial explosion:
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Those images are the controlled release on Monday 2/6 of last week. The train went up at 9pm the previous Friday 2/3. Sorry, I'm losing track of days, here. Everyone was allowed back on Wednesday 2/8 because Friday 2/10 was our cleanup.
 
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Types of oils and gases filled with poison infecting people on trains and the surrounding places in Ohio.

Not even Bioshock would come up with an insane plot like this.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
Acid rain... Now that is something I hadn't remembered about.

Yeah the area is fucked the next rain will be straight up vinegar. Vinyl Chloride when burned releases a lot of Hydrogen chloride which turns into Hydrochloric Acid in contact with water.
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A lot of trees and vegetation in general is gonna die off from that rain(not to mention more wildlife). We might see vast areas of just brown later this year, I can already see the usual suspects jumping up and down going "its global warming! its global warming! ".
 
In the X-files episode Fallen Angel in season one, a story about a train derailment with hazardous materials causing spillage and forest fires is used as an excuse to evacuate a small town and the surrounding area. This was just a cover for the government to move in and investigate a recently downed alien space craft that has crashed in this area.

With recent real life events in mind, if this is the case here, then I wouldn't worry about any detailed trains or leaks of toxic waste. That's just a fiction, a cover story. Of course, the cancer everyone in the area will get in the next few years is real though, but that's due to the very exotic materials and toxic fuels used by the downed space craft.
 
Green Man said:
It did, it started burning immediately after the train derailed, you could see smoke if you went to NWS that night and switched to the Pittsburgh radar radius, roughly ten minutes after it happened. Supposedly the National Guard went in and purposely used explosives to vent one of the tanks because if it continued building up pressure, it would have leveled a good portion of the town. This is all per local media, and I am rather confused that people are just now realizing this happened? I'm in Ohio and I knew about it in less than ten minutes, but I'm seeing remarks about 'media blackouts' and conspiracies. In fact, most of the people who live in town there have been allowed to return home. The EPA claims that the groundwater is safe to drink and they're giving people test kits so they can check their tap and well water. Ultimately some livestock died, it made a big fucking mess and killed off fish in a nearby stream, but all of a sudden the internet is losing its fucking mind over this incident which is pretty much resolved.

I don't know, I find it rather odd. If people were going to panic over this they should have been doing so a week ago, kek. Now the main part of the story I'm interested in is lingering health effects for local people, and how fat the lawsuit will be against the rail company that caused it via negligence or poor maintenance. Supposedly the conductor was not at fault because his equipment failed, so that's really going to fall on the company if they weren't maintaining their rigs. I just find it amusing how delayed the hysterics over this are. For reference East Palestine, Ohio is basically a stone's throw from the Pennsylvania border. Given that wind usually travels west-to-east it should have been a no-brainer that the smoke would proliferate over other states.
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The news cycle was too busy talking about an irrelevant Chinese balloon instead of this.
 
RonPaul2008 said:
Many people need to be strung up over this, but no one will get punished.
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Indeed, maybe the local dispatcher will get in shit for suggesting the train continue, the NTSB may find the driver at fault for following the order to continue, and the company may get slapped with a heavy fine, but I don't expect much to come of this.

Once again the U.S will have a train crash and nothing will be learned from it.
 
Vinyl Chloride is a very flammable gas and burning it gives you sweet little Hydrogen Chloride and Phosgene. Good luck with Phosgene, that's the shit they sprayed on people during WWI. Organic chemistry is heckin cute.
General Emílio Médici said:
Yeah the area is fucked the next rain will be straight up vinegar. Vinyl Chloride when burned releases a lot of Hydrogen chloride which turns into Hydrochloric Acid in contact with water.
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Vinegar is Acetic Acid, not Hydrochloric Acid.
 
The EPA says the air is safe, what are you all so worried about? Remember 9/11? They saved thousands of lives with their immaculate record of air quality analysis. Nothing to worry about.
 
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