2021 Virginia State election - Federal Beaurocracy and National Establishment vs. Everyone else.

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Interesting op-ed.

Virginia Paves the Way for Trump’s Return › American Greatness

There has been a great deal of discussion of the widespread Republican victories last week, many of them belaboring the obvious. Fundamentally, the United States is a political society based on…

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Virginia Paves the Way for Trump’s Return › American Greatness

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That's good, people aren't buying the neo-con line of "we don't need drumpf we need more 'principled conservatives'"

 

[George Lucas]

You want pulling yourself up by your bootstraps to be easy because then you can feel better about having life on easy mode because mumsy and dadsy handed you things on a silver platter.

I was in the Army and served long enough to qualify for the troops-to-teachers program, but I couldn't use it (even though I happily would have, as I love educating).

While you consider this, I will say, I deployed for a year to one of the most heavily mortared bases in Iraq. Try to imagine mortar shells dropping on you on a weekly basis -- some of them as close as 100 meters away -- and then you have to leave that and still hold down a job and do all the work of getting your college degree to be 'worthy' of becoming a teacher.

My military contract was to get the GI Bill just so I could afford college, and when I got there I had entitled professors with exactly your attitude tell me I couldn't understand poverty after risking my life for the money to get my education. They said this for no other reason than our skin color was the same and THEY had been handed everything they could ever ask for. THEY had never experienced poverty, so no one with their same skin tone could possibly know hardship. It's exactly your argument and made for the same reasons.

None of us are mad. We're deeply disappointed that you have so little humanity and empathy that you're taking this stance. Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have you no decency?

I was from a poor family, so I don't really get what you're saying. Lots of people who are from rich families become teachers, and lots of people who are from poor families become teachers. That background doesn't change how much time or money it takes to become a teacher, nor does it change what grades you need to get.

I'm not a teacher, btw. I just know a lot of people who got nearly worthless degrees and became teachers because it was the path of least resistance for them. FWIW, all these people came from better off families than I was, though they weren't rich, more like middle or upper-middle class, and I'm pretty sure they all ended up with debt by the end of it, even if some started with scholarships. From what I know, they don't even seem to be bad teachers. They were just young and inexperienced and picked stupid degrees without considering how to get a job after college.

Maybe I touched a nerve because I gave an example of someone who doesn't want to join the military? Those people literally exist. To pretend there aren't people like that is ridiculous. Do you really want those people in the military if you can help it?

 

[Sped Xing]

You touched a nerve because you act like anyone who doesn't stamp paperwork for a living is a subhuman retard.

The irony is you seem completely incapable of grasping that a college degree isn't a given. I thought to try an analogy about activation energy, but for all your pretension, I doubt you'd understand such a basic principle.

Are you MacAuliffe's speech writer?

 

[George Lucas]

You touched a nerve because you act like anyone who doesn't stamp paperwork for a living is a subhuman exceptional individual.

The irony is you seem completely incapable of grasping that a college degree isn't a given. I thought to try an analogy about activation energy, but for all your pretension, I doubt you'd understand such a basic principle.

Are you MacAuliffe's speech writer?

I try to treat everyone like a subhuman retard.

 

[Sped Xing]

"Unlike you capite censi who only like carrying rocks, I actually enjoy thinking and learning."

If you were a bit better at arguing, I would have assumed you were joking.

 

[Stoneheart]

The irony is you seem completely incapable of grasping that a college degree isn't a given. I thought to try an analogy about activation energy, but for all your pretension, I doubt you'd understand such a basic principle.

Well you need a degree for some work. sure some teaching jobs can be filled with people from other professions without a degree. like sport, woodworking or computer shit.


also getting a degree is not that hard, even i got one, and i can barely read or write.

 

[Sped Xing]

Only about one in three adults in the US has a bachelor's or higher. That alone means you've reduced your hiring pool by 66 percent, before we even talk about an extra year of teaching certification.

As you said, and I agree, getting a bachelor's isn't *hard.* You don't have to be smart, you just need time and money. Therefore, by restricting a job to people who have passed that barrier, you are not selecting for smart people, but people with time and money (or willingness to accrue substantial debt.)

You are correct, Stoneheart, that a lot of people who stick with teaching for the long haul are just lazy. Here comes the second part of what I was saying, which has gotten left aside-- do you know how to weed out indolence? And perverts, for that matter? You have to fire them, because they can't be fixed.

So the current problem with the recruitment and retention of teachers in US public schools is this: there are substantial barriers to entry which do not select for better employees, and once they have their jobs, teachers are hard to fire, partly because of unions and partly because the pipeline for recruitment is long and has little attraction for most people.

If you want non-rapey teachers who are willing to do their jobs, and capable of doing so efficiently, you need more incentive to be a teacher (for example, higher pay) and a higher turnover of personnel. If you have more people trying to be teachers, you can afford to shitcan more.


It sounds much easier on paper, of course. Guilds and bureaucracies resist such measures quite effectively, and US culture doesn't help in this case at all.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

This is why the education system should be structured so for elementary school you learn basic math, reading, science. Middle School and High School you take mostly electives that are what you are actually interested in learning. Imagine if in High School most of your classes were about Electronics, Programming, Welding, etc. You'd have alot more kids who could get a good job straight out of high school. Instead they force Jimmy to read through whatever was on Oprahs reading list when he would rather be doing anything else.

You don't want a society where the baseline reading level is 5th grade. I do agree more vocational stuff should be taught in HS, but leave the bulk of that for a vocational school.

Your still better off in the States then anywhere else in the Western world.

Or you could do what I did and just move somewhere sunny and Latin. Them Latino's dont cotton too well to most progressive ideals.

I'd rather not get kidnapped and murdered because Ponce y Juan think all gringos are millionaires..... Only exceptions are Panama, Puerto Rico, and MAYBE Uruguay

Apparently Democrats got the shit kicked out of them in Long Island. Also Texas special runoff, Republicans flipped a D+12 county seat.

They did and it was is fucking SAN ANTONIO

 

[Michael Janke]

Only about one in three adults in the US has a bachelor's or higher

that number is bad without context. there are tons of majors. i think psychology is or was the number 1 major for instance. then you have shit like buisness admin. lawyers need an undergrad degree just to go to law school.

I know that there are people that think that joining the military is actually a fucking ‘investment’ for them. I try not to judge those people as I have not experienced the things they have.

that depends on the branch and job in the military. a lot of people that join the military get trained in skilled trades. i think the most common is some kind of mechanic.
you also get government clearence that you can continue to use, while a civilian.
so you can get set up for those pretty cozy jobs right out of the military.
or if you stayed enlisted, i'd recommend becoming a warrant officer.
commissioned officers are another story
if you become an officer right out of ROTC in college and do your 20 years. you can basically retire on an officers pension, assuming you got promoted enough times. thats retiring in your 40's
edit: in terms of investment there are some non monetary benefits. in the navy, you essentially globetrot for a few years. how many people can afford to travel around the world in their late treens/early 20's?

 

[X Prime]

Dear Lord, the edit button exists for a reason.

 

[CaesarCzech]

Dear Lord, the edit button exists for a reason.

Fuck The Edit button.

 

[Sped Xing]

that number is bad without context. there are tons of majors. i think psychology is or was the number 1 major for instance. then you have shit like buisness admin. lawyers need an undergrad

We need more barriers to entry against Lawyers.

 

[Stoneheart]

As you said, and I agree, getting a bachelor's isn't *hard.* You don't have to be smart, you just need time and money. Therefore, by restricting a job to people who have passed that barrier, you are not selecting for smart people, but people with time and money (or willingness to accrue substantial debt.)

yeah and whats the problem with that? you dont want smart teachers...

You are correct, Stoneheart, that a lot of people who stick with teaching for the long haul are just lazy. Here comes the second part of what I was saying, which has gotten left aside-- do you know how to weed out indolence? And perverts, for that matter? You have to fire them, because they can't be fixed.

University is there to weed them out.

If you want non-rapey teachers who are willing to do their jobs, and capable of doing so efficiently, you need more incentive to be a teacher (for example, higher pay) and a higher turnover of personnel. If you have more people trying to be teachers, you can afford to shitcan more.

or just use some of the money spend on school for some PR campaign to attract the right people.
You want normal white middle class woman that want an easy job while their husband and kids are out of the house.

That doesnt work in inner city schools, those should be run by the Army with MP on location to beat down those who act up.

 

[Sped Xing]

University is there to weed them out.

Lazy people succeed more in university, because they cheat.

That doesnt work in inner city schools, those should be run by the Army with MP on location to beat down those who act up.

Inner city schools should be run on diesel generators, for. . . reasons.

 

[Stoneheart]

Lazy people succeed more in university, because they cheat.

Nobody cheats at a teachers exam, people who would fail it are to stupid to effectivly cheat.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Given how this Virgina election turned out, I think I was right to say that Biden winning only weakened the Democratic Party, at least in the eyes of the populace.

Heck, COVID-19 was, imo, the main reason that Trump lost, both due to the mail-in ballots, and the fact that it finally game the DNC something they could actually use against him. Everyone just wanted a return to normalcy, and thus, Biden was elected. But now, a year after and it being made clear that the DNC and the others seem intent on keeping it as long as they can in order to make people more dependent on them, combined with Biden's poor state of health and questionable actions as president, I think people (minus sites like TV Tropes) are looking back to Trump and the Republican party and thinking:

 

[Michael Janke]

Everyone just wanted a return to normalcy

thats kind of why i think De Santis could likely win.
florida is the biggest anti lockdown state of them all.

 

[Kane Lives]

Has all the outstanding races been counted? Is there anywhere where I can find the final tally of who won and what? It's difficult to sort through all the fucking op eds that come up on search.

 

[Trianon]

Has all the outstanding races been counted? Is there anywhere where I can find the final tally of who won and what? It's difficult to sort through all the fucking op eds that come up on search.

There are two House seats that are close enough to qualify for a recount (<0.5%), which the Republicans led in, but the Democratic candidates have not asked for a recount yet. They are entitled to one funded by the state, but the GOP have said they are confident that they will retain the lead in both.

So the seats currently stand at 50-48 in the Virginia House, 52-48 if the recounts are dismissed or verify their win.

The Republicans have already picked their speaker and majority leader.

Here's a good site for results: https://www.vpap.org/elections/house/candidates/general/

 

[Super-Chevy454]

thats kind of why i think De Santis could likely win.
florida is the biggest anti lockdown state of them all.

And states who have current RINO as governor like Vermont need to elect real Reps, not RINOs.