2021 Virginia State election - Federal Beaurocracy and National Establishment vs. Everyone else.

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Iceland Heavy said:
If the Right/GOP leans too far into 'fuck public schools' it's going to be the same trap the Democrats fell into with 'Defund the Police' and for much the same reasons. Homeschooling should always be an option but making it the only one for most people is going to turn them off really fast.
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and that goes double if they add to "fuck public schools" "bitch get home and make me a sammich while you're homeschooling the children of America"
 
barleyrugsoap said:
and that goes double if they add to "fuck public schools" "bitch get home and make me a sammich while you're homeschooling the children of America"
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Which is exactly how the DNC will spin it. "What, housework? You don't have time for that, you need to add to the GDP and make money for MegaCorpCo."
 
Stoneheart said:
Just let your local church run its own school.
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Easier said than done. Running a school takes a lot of money, resources, and organization. Not every local church community can manage it. Even if a community has the resources, finding someone sufficiently capable to organize and get it to the point where it's stable and semi self-sustaining it isn't a given.

barleyrugsoap said:
the only reason people need vouchers is because they're too stupid and untrustworthy to work it the way functional private schools do, which is by charging a fraction of the real cost per student as tuition but expecting parents donate the remainder. donations, unlike tuition, are tax deductible.
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And/or alumni. Any private school not directly associated with a church will be regularly begging its alumni for money. Even if most of them ignore it, a few rich or reasonably well off alumni who are still really fond of their old school can go a long way.
 
A_throwaway_name62919 said:
Easier said than done. Running a school takes a lot of money, resources, and organization. Not every local church community can manage it. Even if a community has the resources, finding someone sufficiently capable to organize and get it to the point where it's stable and semi self-sustaining it isn't a given.
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That's a manufactured problem, much like the supply chain process.

What you *actually* need to teach a score of chilluns their Rs: a blackboard, some seats, paper or slates for the littles, and someone who knows the Eibisidi song.

All this shit with hundreds-dollar textbooks, accreditation, sports stadiums, teacher retirement programs, and so on is legislated pork. None of it increases literacy. Evidence? Read some letters from ww1 draftees some time.

"Think of the children" is right up there with "support the troops" as magic words to divert stolen money to your criminal friends. Da Troops don't need a TGI Fridays in buttfuckistan and dem younguns don't need a library of fag porn.
 
Iceland Heavy said:
If the Right/GOP leans too far into 'fuck public schools' it's going to be the same trap the Democrats fell into with 'Defund the Police' and for much the same reasons. Homeschooling should always be an option but making it the only one for most people is going to turn them off really fast.
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I don't think the Right/GOP is going "Fuck schools" they are going the more "your choice" route of Charter Schools/School Vouchers/Even that Fund the Student plan. Which is great! If you are lazy/don't care your kids go to public school, if you give a shit you shop around to find a school that fits your beliefs/best style for your children. Its win/win for every one. Before the only way to pull that off was to move to a specific school district.
 
Sped Xing said:
None of it increases literacy. Evidence? Read some letters from ww1 draftees some time.
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When I saw that 8th graders in 1890 were doing more on their finals than I had to do to get into college it really fucking hit me that we are in a bad way, and it also hit me that the powers that be prefer us to be too stupid to function.

Note that Woodrow Wilson who got us into fucking WW1 in the first place was also the nigger who federalized education as well as establishing the federal reserve and the income tax.

Editing to doublepost: WW1 would have been best left as an retard fight between European powers
 
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Save the Loli said:
Most fundie schools (the ones that stay in business) also cost a lot of money too, like hundreds of dollars a month, which is why the school vouchers thing has been a major issue. I used to be opposed since it means the government would be paying to have (some) kids learn creationism and how God hates fags (and taking away money from public schools) but now I don't give a fuck since so many public schools are just teaching an even more perverse secular religion.
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We've got some really good private schools near me, but they are expensive af. The Catholic schools (1 for boys and another for girls) will run you about $24K a year. The non-religious one runs you $40K a year. Yes, $40K for grades K-12. I have a family member that has 2 kids in that school (but I think they give you a tuition break for the 2nd kid) and it is an amazing school. Sadly, I am not wealthy enough to afford that.

The problem with the affordable ones is that those are the places where the troubled kids end up. If they get kicked out of public school or are having massive discipline/underachieving problems at school, parents will yank them out of public school and put them in a private one (especially a religious one) hoping that either the school will sort them out or that, since they are paying money for tuition, they'll have to suck it up and deal with their brat.

I'd homeschool before I'd choose a private school that wasn't one of the good ones.

Back me up! said:
I don't think the Right/GOP is going "Fuck schools" they are going the more "your choice" route of Charter Schools/School Vouchers/Even that Fund the Student plan. Which is great! If you are lazy/don't care your kids go to public school, if you give a shit you shop around to find a school that fits your beliefs/best style for your children. Its win/win for every one. Before the only way to pull that off was to move to a specific school district.
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It won't work. Everyone will want to go to the good schools and then there will have to be a "lottery" to get into those schools which will have to be weighted to make sure it is "equitable". The real problem with education is mostly on the shoulders of the parents. Parents who don't care what their kids are doing in school or who make excuses for their brats misbehaving or flunking in school are the problem. Kids who do well have good parents or are the rare kid who somehow manages to have self-control and a little bit of self-motivation despite having crappy parents. You can have the best teachers, the best facilities, etc. and nothing will change if the culture doesn't change. If you don't value education, your kids won't, either. That's why poor Asian kids can outperform rich white ones. Those tiger moms aren't playing.

We really should be moving the smart kids who want to go the college route to one set of schools, the other smart kids who don't want to go to college to schools where they can learn good job skills (we need electricians, plumbers, etc. and you need smart people for that, too), and the problem/dumb as dirt kids to schools where we can teach them basic life skills and prepare them for a career in low tier, minimum wage jobs because that is all they can realistically handle. We've tried for too long to pretend that anyone can be anything they want. No, they can't. But, they can be taught how to be productive members of society and end up with the knowledge and skills that will prevent them from doing really stupid things (like payday loans, having 3 kids by 3 different baby daddies, etc.).

We won't do that, because the outcome won't look as equitable as they would like, even though it would be way more helpful to the student and society to have realistic goals rather than try to push everyone towards college.
 
Sped Xing said:
What you *actually* need to teach a score of chilluns their Rs: a blackboard, some seats, paper or slates for the littles, and someone who knows the Eibisidi song.
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great you've just described kindergarten, although you haven't managed rent or payroll

I don't know if you're aware of this but childen do grow up past the age of 5
 
People have this crazy belief that a 16yo girl in front of a one room schoolhouse was all you need to produce those letter writers. They are very very deeply devoted to this retarded idea.

What they are missing is that the literate 12yos produced by the one room schoolhouse of the 18th and 19th centuries went on either to formal education at actual institutions of higher learning, or to extensive self-eduction using materials produced by graduates of those institutions.

Even if they couldn't continue school past the age of 12 or 13, they read books. They went to lectures - lectures were particularly important in early America and on the frontier because there wasn't much other entertainment - and these books and lectures were mostly the products of people who had received institutional, formal higher education.

The 18th and 19th centuries devoted huge amounts of resources to education.

Also there were a bunch of fucking idiots back then too, people didn't save their letters.
 
barleyrugsoap said:
People have this crazy belief that a 16yo girl in front of a one room schoolhouse was all you need to produce those letter writers. They are very very deeply devoted to this exceptional idea.

What they are missing is that the literate 12yos produced by the one room schoolhouse of the 18th and 19th centuries went on either to formal education at actual institutions of higher learning, or to extensive self-eduction using materials produced by graduates of those institutions.

Even if they couldn't continue school past the age of 12 or 13, they read books. They went to lectures - lectures were particularly important in early America and on the frontier because there wasn't much other entertainment - and these books and lectures were mostly the products of people who had received institutional, formal higher education.

The 18th and 19th centuries devoted huge amounts of resources to education.

Also there were a bunch of fucking idiots back then too, people didn't save their letters.
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There is a trade-off in literacy rate and education quality. Shouldn’t a good education system ensure everyone can read? Theoretically, yes, but resources are finite. You either devote resources to providing high-quality texts and lectures to star students, or you devote resources to trying to get kids who don’t care and are intrinsically stupid to learn how to read.
 
George Lucas said:
There is a trade-off in literacy rate and education quality. Shouldn’t a good education system ensure everyone can read? Theoretically, yes, but resources are finite. You either devote resources to providing high-quality texts and lectures to star students, or you devote resources to trying to get kids who don’t care and are intrinsically stupid to learn how to read.
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This is why the education system should be structured so for elementary school you learn basic math, reading, science. Middle School and High School you take mostly electives that are what you are actually interested in learning. Imagine if in High School most of your classes were about Electronics, Programming, Welding, etc. You'd have alot more kids who could get a good job straight out of high school. Instead they force Jimmy to read through whatever was on Oprahs reading list when he would rather be doing anything else.
 
George Lucas said:
There is a trade-off in literacy rate and education quality. Shouldn’t a good education system ensure everyone can read? Theoretically, yes, but resources are finite. You either devote resources to providing high-quality texts and lectures to star students, or you devote resources to trying to get kids who don’t care and are intrinsically stupid to learn how to read.
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This is a plausible claim - you can't educate the uncaring and stupid without huge tradeoffs - except it's historically the opposite.

in the northern US, until the mid20th century, a variety of different systems did ensure nearly 100% literacy for those capable of it. Meaning if you weren't retarded you got taught to read, pretty much, even if you were a giant pain in the ass and not very smart.

there was a limited tradeoff becasue they didn't try to educate retards. they probably lost some valuable autism which we successfully educate and maybe benefit from.

however our system which is based in ideals of universal education fails to produce literacy in people who are of normal intelligence and manifestly capable of it.
 
Our system is based in pretending you need a 15 million dollar whatsit to learn what a gerund is.

Students don't learn anything in school, because you're racist if you let the smart kids make the dumb kids look bad, and since the point of the education system is not education, but graft, this foolish state of affairs can stand.
 
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Look what you did you evil NAZI chuds! You're LITERALLY KILLING people! Also CRT isn't being taught in schools because it doesn't exist! But if it did, it would say that race doesn't exist! Also fuck white people!! IT'S TIME TO MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY
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Sped Xing said:
That's a manufactured problem, much like the supply chain process.

What you *actually* need to teach a score of chilluns their Rs: a blackboard, some seats, paper or slates for the littles, and someone who knows the Eibisidi song.

All this shit with hundreds-dollar textbooks, accreditation, sports stadiums, teacher retirement programs, and so on is legislated pork. None of it increases literacy. Evidence? Read some letters from ww1 draftees some time.
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Nah, I'm talking about practicalities, not fluff like stadiums. Long gone are the days when people could get by with a one room school house filled with students from multiple grades taught by one teacher, or students who only need to know how to read, write, and do basic math. Nowadays at minimum you need:

-A school building with classrooms for each grade.
-Teachers for each grade.
-Teachers who specialize in different subjects for middle-school and onward.

That doesn't come cheap. To get good teachers who know what they're talking about, you're going to want to hire accredited ones. To attract them you're going to want to offer competitive pay and benefits, which in some areas may require offer retirement benefits like a 401k or a pension. You can save a bit by the middle school grades teachers doubling as a specialists and rotating for the relevant classes, but that only saves you a few people's salaries. Saving money by reusing books each year so they can be either kept by the school and loaned out to a grade, or bought and resold used for cheap only cuts costs so much. Especially as modern education is increasingly requiring computers as well.

Nor is it necessarily easy to find people sufficiently talented to organize it all and get it up and running. Simply being smart and generally well educated isn't automatically enough. They have to be familiar with the practical realities, or you end up buying/building a school building that doesn't meet your needs, costs too much, or both. They have to be good administrators/managers, or you end up only hiring shitty teachers or running off good ones.

All in all, while your local church might be in the best position to set up a school as they already have an existing community to draw upon to help, that doesn't mean that every local church can do it.
 
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