007 will be black - doesn't get anymore woke than this

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

I ask this question again:

Instead of just transforming old stuff and pissing people off, why not just create new ideas and characters for black, female, gay, and trans characters?

This was my thought process at first, but I thought about it more. There have been plenty of movies that starred black protagonists that were successful. Black Panther, Jordan Peele's recent filmography, 12 Years a Slave, all these movies were successful financially and in some cases critically. Go back further and you can find more movies such as Men in Black, Blade, and the entire blaxploitation genre of the 70s.

I'm starting to think they are legitimately trying to stir controversy just to get people to pay attention, because otherwise nobody would care.

It couldn't be because the studios want to use brand recognition to bring eyeballs to the project and a overblown controversy to get people talking about it? Nah, that couldn't be it.

Pretty much, yeah.

 

[Dom Cruise]

This was my thought process at first, but I thought about it more. There have been plenty of movies that starred black protagonists that were successful. Black Panther, Jordan Peele's recent filmography, 12 Years a Slave, all these movies were successful financially and in some cases critically. Go back further and you can find more movies such as Men in Black, Blade, and the entire blaxploitation genre of the 70s.

I'm starting to think they are legitimately trying to stir controversy just to get people to pay attention, because otherwise nobody would care.


Pretty much, yeah.

It's so bizarre the way people act like there's never been successful movies starring black actors and actresses prior to the 2010s.

 

[AnOminous]

It's so bizarre the way people act like there's never been successful movies starring black actors and actresses prior to the 2010s.

SJWs have the attention span of gnats and don't remember past yesterday much less 10 years ago.

 

[Dom Cruise]

SJWs have the attention span of gnats and don't remember past yesterday much less 10 years ago.

Much less decades ago.

Honestly there's something downright Orwellian about the way they don't remember the past.

 

[Creep3r]

Much less decades ago.

Honestly there's something downright Orwellian about the way they don't remember the past.

Its more like Huxleyan. The truth and the past ends up drowned out in an unlimited sea of irrelevancy and redundant information that gives way to indifference.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Judging them strictly by appearance, I say the one on the left could be a good writer, the one on the right is pushing a shit agenda and will play the race card so fast it'll make your head spin.

Yeah, I'm kinda torn about this.

On one hand, you dont want to be too presumptuous. I mean it is possible these two are big fans of a spy novel series from the 50/60s. The lead character being a british caucasion male who was a ruthless tool of british imperalism. He treated woman like enjoyable diversions and barely associated with anyone considered diverse(in the modern context)...

Or

They watched a couple James Bond movies and felt it was perfect fodder to deconstruct based on its antiquaited toxic masculinity...

Hmm, I think I'll defer to Occam's Razor on this...

 

[Dom Cruise]

Its more like Huxleyan. The truth and the past ends up drowned out in an unlimited sea of irrelevancy and redundant information that gives way to indifference.
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Or that too, yeah.

 

[Rio]

You guys do realize that James Bond is still in the movie, still played by Daniel Craig, right? She's not even gonna be the main character. Bond is. It's probably gonna be one of those "I'm gonna come back out of retirement for this one last job" type stories. Probably a continuation of the themes from Skyfall.

It's all just baiting for controversy to create buzz. The way this is being phrased everywhere as if she's replacing Daniel Craig is not a coincidence. It's purely viral marketing. I don't really care either way, as long as the movie is good.Casino Royale and skyfall were both pretty good, but Spectre was really forgettable and Quantum sucked, so it's about a 50/50 chance at this point.

As far as all the people blaming Hollywood for this move, I'm pretty sure James Bond movies aren't made anywhere near Hollywood. I'm pretty sure that it's all done by English studios in England.

 

[MI 814]

You guys do realize that James Bond is still in the movie, still played by Daniel Craig, right? She's not even gonna be the main character. Bond is. It's probably gonna be one of those "I'm gonna come back out of retirement for this one last job" type stories. Probably a continuation of the themes from Skyfall.

It's all just baiting for controversy to create buzz. The way this is being phrased everywhere as if she's replacing Daniel Craig is not a coincidence. It's purely viral marketing. I don't really care either way, as long as the movie is good.Casino Royale and skyfall were both pretty good, but Spectre was really forgettable and Quantum sucked, so it's about a 50/50 chance at this point.

As far as all the people blaming Hollywood for this move, I'm pretty sure James Bond movies aren't made anywhere near Hollywood. I'm pretty sure that it's all done by English studios in England.

Your forgetting that the British Entertainment Industry also allowed Doctor Who to be played by a woman. And it sucked.

 

[Scotsman]

Villain - "Within minutes New York and Moscow will cease to exist, global destruction will follow and a new era will..."

Bond - "Stop mansplaining."

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Your forgetting that the British Entertainment Industry also allowed Doctor Who to be played by a woman. And it sucked.

Wait, the new Dr. Who is a woman? I thought he was just British?

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

INB4 woke goes broke again and the movie bombs.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Either way, I believe this movie will continue my streak of having seen 0 james bond movies in theatres.

 

[ZehnBoat]

They watched a couple James Bond movies and felt it was perfect fodder to deconstruct based on its antiquaited toxic masculinity...

there's no point in deconstructing james bond
it was already done
it's called 'north by northwest'

Villain - "Within minutes New York and Moscow will cease to exist, global destruction will follow and a new era will..."

Bond - "Stop mansplaining."

bond you must stop the villain
BUT SHES A WOMAN I CANT DO THAT
*world is destroyed*

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

there's no point in deconstructing james bond
it was already done
it's called 'north by northwest'

Another problematic piece of medium written/directed by a fat white englishman. Young black and hip black women can do it better...

Honestly, I doubt either of them have seen that movie....

I am curious to see if this version of Bond is in a modern context or trying to be the traditional Fleming Bond. If this is supposed to be the Fleming Bond, this could be a delightful trainwreck....

 

[Mega Man]

It's so bizarre the way people act like there's never been successful movies starring black actors and actresses prior to the 2010s.

It's the same with strong female centered roles. They tried to push that angle with the new Terminator, but forgot that the series was built on a strong female lead. It's all just a preemptive excuse for if the movie bombs, they can blame trolls or bigots or something.

As for the concept, Bond has lost his designation before, but it's obviously never lasted as it's considered integral to the character. Though if this is a passing of the baton sort of thing, don't be surprised by the box office returns of a Bond-less 007 spinoff...

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

As for the concept, Bond has lost his designation before, but it's obviously never lasted as it's considered integral to the character. Though if this is a passing of the baton sort of thing, don't be surprised by the box office returns of a Bond-less 007 spinoff...

That shit is not going to happen. If they want to do a spinoff, they will just give her another 00 number. I think the box office returns will still suck regardless. You would have to make her a consistent reoccurring character for years(like Felix) to build some sort of interest.

 

[Mega Man]

That shit is not going to happen. If they want to do a spinoff, they will just give her another 00 number. I think the box office returns will still suck regardless. You would have to make her a consistent reoccurring character for years(like Felix) to build some sort of interest.

Even so, would audiences even be able to embrace a movie about this guy? This isn't a complaint, but just my observation that you can't really have any Bond media without Bond. Meanwhile, if you try to hastily introduce the new 007 and expect audiences to immediately accept her in the grand scheme of a 50+ year series, that's just going to blow up in their faces.

IMO Judi Dench's M character seems interesting and has enough history to warrant exploration, but back in the older movies, the supporting cast was either one-note or just there as scenery and exposition.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Even so, would audiences even be able to embrace a movie about this guy? This isn't a complaint, but just my observation that you can't really have any Bond media without Bond. Meanwhile, if you try to hastily introduce the new 007 and expect audiences to immediately accept her in the grand scheme of a 50+ year series, that's just going to blow up in their faces.

IMO Judi Dench's M character seems interesting and has enough history to warrant exploration, but back in the older movies, the supporting cast was either one-note or just there as scenery and exposition.

A Felix movie, done well, could succeed. At the very least you would have a Bond cameo. A better movie would be a buddy movie between the characters..

But that movie would be risky. But a completely new character who has no history with the franchise? Fuck no...

They couldn't even get a Jinx movie made when Halle Berry was at the peak of her career. She had sex appeal, which Caster Semenya certainly does not...

 

[Comicsgeist]

You guys do realize that James Bond is still in the movie, still played by Daniel Craig, right? She's not even gonna be the main character. Bond is. It's probably gonna be one of those "I'm gonna come back out of retirement for this one last job" type stories. Probably a continuation of the themes from Skyfall.

It's all just baiting for controversy to create buzz. The way this is being phrased everywhere as if she's replacing Daniel Craig is not a coincidence. It's purely viral marketing. I don't really care either way, as long as the movie is good.Casino Royale and skyfall were both pretty good, but Spectre was really forgettable and Quantum sucked, so it's about a 50/50 chance at this point.

As far as all the people blaming Hollywood for this move, I'm pretty sure James Bond movies aren't made anywhere near Hollywood. I'm pretty sure that it's all done by English studios in England.

Yeah I get that's probably be case, but if they think the maxim that 'all publicity is good publicity' holds true in this case, they may have miscalculated.
The utter pervasiveness of culture war politics is exhausting people, who have rapidly reached their fill of it are tuning out in droves. I suspect this kind of stunt (if it is a stunt because in 'current year' you just never know any more) is more likely to make people just skip it.
I know I will. Why would I want to shell out 18 bucks just to be irritated by smarmy assholes when all I wanted was some light escapist entertainment?
Honestly, I used to listen to talk radio on my way into work, but these days I settle for an escapist audio-book instead simply because work's irritating enough without arriving already pissed off. More and more I watch less TV and movies, so clamoring for my attention with this crap isn't appealing because it doesn't feel like a grab for my limited attention so much as it feels like pure spite.
Clearly the idiots pulling this with Bond are doing it for the Woke points and to keep the SJWs that write endless articles about a black or female Bond like a broken record every fucking time casting is discussed have no love or no clue about the character, and so I feel pretty confident in not watching the film because people that neither like nor understand the character (Bond is a male power fantasy personified) are pretty unlikely to manage to make a good film about that character.