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Tanuki Mixed Nuts said:
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BUT BROS KILLZONE!!!! REMEMBER KILLZONE!!!!!!!!! (Modern gamers don't remember killzone so I am unsure of the point of this)
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I'm guessing this is Sony's "in case of emergency, break glass" moment to bring back some older fans. I expect Guerillia Games to incorporate a woman in some way.

Hear me out, what if, if I was in charge...

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Lana Turner being the face for the Helghan army in some way. I don't know Killzone lore, but maybe it could be some gray-into-black storytelling about who IS the enemy and why.

That'd be badass.
 
The Last Stand said:
I'm guessing this is Sony's "in case of emergency, break glass" moment to bring back some older fans. I expect Guerillia Games to incorporate a woman in some way.

Hear me out, what if, if I was in charge...

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Lana Turner being the face for the Helghan army in some way. I don't know Killzone lore, but maybe it could be some gray-into-black storytelling about who IS the enemy and why.

That'd be badass.
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Is this a gimmick account? Sometimes I just can't tell the difference anymore.
 
The Last Stand said:
Lana Turner being the face for the Helghan army in some way. I don't know Killzone lore, but maybe it could be some gray-into-black storytelling about who IS the enemy and why.
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some guy with an opinion said:
Good riddance to both, frankly. Consoles haven't been viable gaming platforms for over a decade now, I'm honestly surprised it took them this long to die.
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You can thank Sam Altman for why they're still not dead:
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some guy with an opinion said:
Good riddance to both, frankly. Consoles haven't been viable gaming platforms for over a decade now, I'm honestly surprised it took them this long to die.
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Accurate to say about 10 years ago. PC gaming is no longer as viable as it used to be unless you're willing to shell out thousands of dollars on cards. That being said gaming just sucks now anyways
 
The Ugly One said:
Gee, hmm, why didn't anyone like these games? Hmmmm...he can't say, or he'll get fired, but it's simple. NOBODY LIKES FAT SHEBOONS, LESBIANS, UGLY BITCHES, AND TRANNIES.

It's that fuckin' simple. Feminism isn't cool, ugly women aren't cool, and gleefully shitting on things people like, surprise, results in things they dislike.
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The Ugly One said:
I don't understand why these people are too fucking retarded to connect the dots, "This brand was built on making cool stuff for teenage boys, and now we've decided making cool stuff for teenage boys is bad. Why aren't teenage boys buying it any more?"
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He is correct. Sony's latest offerings are middling because it's the same formula presented in the most shoddy, unattractive way possible. Sony had a gold mine with their Marvel license. Spider-Man games used to be fun on the PS2 era, web-slinging around NYC, being Peter Parker's alter ego, saving the city and being an action hero. Now, MARVEL's Spider-Man 2 wants to be a safe, political awareness movie that is afraid to give meaningful stakes to the player.

All of that starts with their marketing. They're focused on depicting and appeasing a demographic that not only hates gamers, but doesn't even PLAY video games. Then, their video games insult the player's agency by being "cinematic" instead of being "interactive," of course that's video games NOW instead of just Sony, but whatever.

Kharash said:
Is this a gimmick account? Sometimes I just can't tell the difference anymore.
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I know this is said in jest and against me, but think about it. Look at her: demanding, menacing, but ATTRACTIVE and pleasing to the eye without being abrasive or overly sexualized. Of course, it's up to the writing and gameplay to do the heavy lifting, but as @The Ugly One stated, am I WRONG?
 
The Ugly One said:
Look at how all the top ten games are late cycle. The PS3 came out in 2006.

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Top 10 360 games were all cross-platform except Halo 3 (#1 is a pack-in, Kinect Adventures, like that counts).
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Ultimately, the 360 was "the Call of Duty console." CoD was a bit prettier on the 360 than the PS3 and got map packs 30 days earlier.
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I think that has more to do that A) MS had an exclusive DLC deal for Call of Duty, B) Xbox Live was taking off, C) the PS3 was hard to develop, but they had a strong exclusive lineup compared to MS (Gears, Forza, Halo, random Rare game) that would give an incentive to own a PS3.
 
I was baffled by the deaf black girl walking segment in Spiderman 2. At least Miles was a superhero so playing as him made sense.

What the point of those again? I don't even think she had a name.
 
The Ugly One said:
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Actually, I think I could have a premise for this hypothetical Killzone pitch. Lana is front and center, but the Helgeast is behind her. She is the face, but she isn't the one "in charge," she's just a morality figure upstaged for whatever sinister reason. Over time, there could be dysentery, I mean dissent and conflict, among the ranks. Keep the "you were told who the enemy was" tagline in mind. Her importance of being a figurehead conflicts with actual military strategy, which could cause confusion.

Sony needs to call me.
 
MIU said:
Accurate to say about 10 years ago. PC gaming is no longer as viable as it used to be unless you're willing to shell out thousands of dollars on cards.
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PC gaming is great if you bought a gaming PC after 2021 and managed to snag a GPU better than a midrange RDNA2 card.

The Last Stand said:
I know this is said in jest and against me, but think about it. Look at her: demanding, menacing, but ATTRACTIVE and pleasing to the eye without being abrasive or overly sexualized. Of course, it's up to the writing and gameplay to do the heavy lifting, but as @The Ugly One stated, am I WRONG?
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Killzone is WWII in Space, and she's got the perfect look for it. A modern e-thot or fatfaced cunt look would be all wrong.

The Last Stand said:
All of that starts with their marketing. They're focused on depicting and appeasing a demographic that not only hates gamers, but doesn't even PLAY video games.
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The first step of actual marketing is product-market fit. To ask the question is to answer it - what market research did Sony do into its target demographic of black women, to ensure that Concord would be a hit with them? Of course they did none. Zero. Nada. Zilch. They took a genre popular with young males, shoved black women into it, and expected Proud Womyn of Color to flock to it in droves. Has a single post mortem addressed this? Doubtful.

Tanuki Mixed Nuts said:
BUT BROS KILLZONE!!!! REMEMBER KILLZONE!!!!!!!!! (Modern gamers don't remember killzone so I am unsure of the point of this)
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They don't understand why Killzone died or why their current exclusives aren't hitting. So one can only expect Killzone Revival to be about mystery meat female helping LGBTQ families recolonize Helghan.
 
Dr J said:
If audience knew what they wanted, they'd be the creators. Not the audience
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this is a retarded take, how many creators make absolute disasters thinking they know what the audience wants? Dustborn, Concord, and many, many, many others over the previous decade come to mind of laughable amounts of money being spent on an assumed audience that doesn't exist. creators look for an audience, make a product catering to said audience, and said audience will rapidly make their decisions from there.

audiences absolutely know what they want, demanding and forcing the audience to buy a product by telling them they'll like it is how and why Sony is just throwing money into a toilet right now.
 
The Ugly One said:
Killzone is WWII in Space, and she's got the perfect look for it. A modern e-thot or fatfaced cunt look would be all wrong.
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Exactly. Let's go further with this. Take a look at WWII propaganda from the US and Germany, specifically how women were portrayed and depicted towards the war effort.

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(Older) Lana Turner appears hardened, traditional, built but in respect to women's norms. She isn't in the front lines, she "monitors" it or visualizes it for morale. Maybe she has family within Helgagst command, maybe she was a manufacturing worker. I'm going to pat myself in the back to say that I accidentally made a great point here.

Anyway, I'm probably going too far with this, so I'll end it with this. Women CAN work in war games, women CAN be beautiful in video games without just being eye candy, it's only a matter of making it WORK. It shouldn't be that hard, but alas, this is where we are.
 
Ebony Odogaron said:
this is a retarded take, how many creators make absolute disasters thinking they know what the audience wants? Dustborn, Concord, and many, many, many others over the previous decade come to mind of laughable amounts of money being spent on an assumed audience that doesn't exist. creators look for an audience, make a product catering to said audience, and said audience will rapidly make their decisions from there.

audiences absolutely know what they want, demanding and forcing the audience to buy a product by telling them they'll like it is how and why Sony is just throwing money into a toilet right now.
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Customer research will reveal important things like, "teenage boys like hot chicks, fast cars, and big guns," something modern devs apparently cannot figure out on their own.
 
The Ugly One said:
Customer research will reveal important things like, "teenage boys like hot chicks, fast cars, and big guns," something modern devs apparently cannot figure out on their own.
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They have figured them out. They filed those results under "toxic masculinity" and tried to change who men are.
 
The Ugly One said:
PC gaming is great if you bought a gaming PC after 2021 and managed to snag a GPU better than a midrange RDNA2 card.
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Check local pawn shops. A while back I found a rig with 36 GB and a 5070 for like $900 listed as "used gamer computer."

A lot of times the old boomers running these places don't know the actual value of PC hardware so you can snag crazy deals.
 
The Last Stand said:
I thought Killzone was more totalitarian than just being a direct WWII analogical piece.


Okay, and?
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Killzone is WWII in space told from the perspective that what made WWII remarkable was its destructiveness and how the Western Allies set the stage for it by the harshness of the Treaty Versailles. It's a uniquely European perspective, focusing on bombed-out cities and total war. American-made games tend to focus on the heroics of cigar-chomping farm boys and the Holocaust. The fact that the battlefields were people's homes doesn't really register with us.
 
The Ugly One said:
Killzone is WWII in space told from the perspective that what made WWII remarkable was its destructiveness and how the Western Allies set the stage for it by the harshness of the Treaty Versailles. It's a uniquely European perspective, focusing on bombed-out cities and total war.
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Was that intentional from Guerillia Games? Now, with that, could my pitch itself work for Killzone? As a product, within its own lore, as marketing? I think yes on surface level. Even from somebody who hasn't played the series, I think I have a better approach.
 
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