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In an announcement that surprises no-one it's confirmed.

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I just hope for his sake Mercedes don't totally screw up their 2022 car (though I hope they do for the sake of fucking up Hamilton).
 
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So the battle begins on whether Williams is going to be a Merc or RB B team. I wonder if Merc will throw a hissy fit because, despite what Toto said about Albon needing to be no longer associated with RB, from the sounds of this, it sure sound like he still is. And the mention of possible tie-in with RB putting their branding on Williams in some way... Are Williams going to switch to RB's new power unit at some point? Interesting comments in this article.

RED BULL HAS ‘RELEASED’ ALBON BUT RETAINS LINKS TO HIM​

43 mins ago
By Valentin Khorounzhiy and Edd Straw
Red Bull says it has “released” Alex Albon to race for the Williams F1 team in 2022, but “retains a relationship with him that includes future options”.

Albon was confirmed by Williams alongside Nicholas Latifi as its new signing for the upcoming F1 season, which will be the first under the new F1 regulations.

During the Dutch GP weekend that preceded the announcement, the prospect of Albon’s move to Williams being blocked by engine supplier Mercedes was broached by Red Bull boss Christian Horner – and Mercedes soon admitted that it believed there would be an issue if Albon raced a Mercedes-powered Williams in 2022 while remaining a Red Bull-contracted driver.
Why Williams is betting on Albon to be its Gasly

Responding to a query from The Race about Albon’s status with Red Bull following his announcement at Williams, Red Bull said: “We have released Alex to become a Williams Racing driver in 2022 but retain a relationship with him that includes future options.”

This seems to indicate that while Albon is no longer a Red Bull-contracted driver, having spent 2021 as the test and reserve driver for its main F1 team, his links with the energy drinks company remain, and it continues to have an eye on him for the future.

This also tallies with the press release Red Bull sent out right after the Williams announcement, in which it emphasised its role in helping Albon onto the 2022 F1 grid and that it will be “following his progress closely”.
Williams Racing CEO Jost Capito faced questions about Albon’s status following the announcement, and was keen to avoid going into detail.

“All I can tell you is that he’s a Williams driver for 2022. Whatever it means is up to you. Maybe you have to ask Red Bull. But for us he is a Williams driver and that’s it,” Capito said.
“I first worked with Red Bull in the late 90s when I was at Sauber so I’ve got the relationship since then and I’m friends with the guys from Red Bull”
- WILLIAMS BOSS JOST CAPITO
Asked whether Red Bull therefore had the chance to recall Albon for 2023, he said: “We don’t comment on details of the contract, I can just say he is a Williams driver. Whatever happens in next year, we can’t predict that. We don’t know if he is happy with us, if we are happy with him, we will see where it goes.
“But in general I don’t intend in having drivers going in and out. That doesn’t mean anything for the contract but in my mind it means we want to build the team and we want to build it long term. For this stage, where the team is now, Alex is our driver.”

The announcement of Albon and Latifi was accompanied by a shot of the two (above), in which Albon wore a shirt with the logo of Red Bull’s clothing label AlphaTauri, while Latifi’s adorned that of existing Williams partner Crew Clothing Company.

And Capito did not dismiss the possibility of Red Bull branding appearing on the Williams car at some point, although he said this wouldn’t be tied into Albon’s signing.

“Not because of Alex’s arrival but we are in various discussions, it doesn’t mean that Red Bull comes on the car but I’ve worked with Red Bull a long time, I first worked with Red Bull in the late 90s when I was at Sauber so I’ve got the relationship with Red Bull since then and I’m friends with the guys from Red Bull.
“But it doesn’t mean that they have to be on the car or not, so we’ll see.”

And sure enough, one of The Race guys is pontificating on Albon/Williams and tie-in with RB. And VW!

MARK HUGHES: ALBON DEAL HINTS AT MERCEDES/RED BULL F1 POWER SHIFT​

Sep 8 2021 By Mark Hughes

Alex Albon’s signing by Williams just actually may turn out to be political dynamite for all of F1. Stay with me…

Albon is an intriguing choice for Williams, given the team’s historic links with Mercedes and the driver’s links with Red Bull. It was noteworthy that the announcement, when it came, was made by Red Bull as well as Williams – and that Albon seems not to be severing his ties with the organisation which brought him into F1.

Let’s think of this in long-term strategic plans for a moment. With the new power unit formula coming up – and there being a fundamental disagreement between the existing PU manufacturers and VW about what the new formula should be – there seems to be an awful lot of potential future common interest between Red Bull, VW and Williams.

Williams has long been a close Mercedes ally as well as a customer. Toto Wolff even retained a share in both teams for a time as he extricated himself from the former to be boss of the latter. But the ground has shifted since then, with the purchase of Williams by the Dorilton Capital group and the new management not being part of that history.

Concurrently Honda’s pull-out triggered Red Bull into taking the plunge and becoming a power unit manufacturer, with the massive investment that implies.

Meanwhile, as the new PU formula looms, VW is showing an interest in F1 and has been involved in all the discussions. There is one coming up in Monza this weekend.

VW is fundamentally opposed to ERS-H being part of the new power unit formula. Mercedes (and Ferrari) are very much in favour of retaining the H part of the hybrid philosophy. It seems Red Bull may be siding with VW in this.

The H part of the equation complicates the PU immensely. It’s a highly specialised technology which impacts upon the design of the whole PU – and the existing manufacturers have of course already invested in it heavily and understand it well. It would only be natural if VW wanted the head start of the others nullified. But this is all going to have to be voted on very soon – to get the regs in place for the 2025 introduction of the formula.

Now, can you think of any personal link between Williams, VW and Red Bull? Yep, that’s right: Jost Capito! Former VW Motorsport boss, former senior technical man at Sauber in the days when Red Bull was the team sponsor – and now Williams team principal.

Asked about Albon’s continuing links with Red Bull and whether there may be some Red Bull branding on the Williams, Capito said: “Not because of Alex’s arrival but we are in various discussions.

“It doesn’t mean that Red Bull comes on the car but I’ve worked with Red Bull a long time, I first worked with Red Bull in the late ‘90s when I was at Sauber so I’ve got the relationship with Red Bull since then and I’m friends with the guys from Red Bull. But it doesn’t mean that they have to be on the car or not, so we’ll see.” It’s not a denial is it?

We may be jumping ahead of ourselves here, but there seems to be a lovely synergy forming. With Red Bull already an engine manufacturer, VW coming in to put its name on the unit and provide further technical help – and Williams becoming a key ally? In which case might Red Bull – as a PU manufacturer – vote in the way VW deems desirable in the new PU discussion?

Has it happened so fast that it’s caught the normally super-sharp operator Toto Wolff off guard? There he was at Zandvoort last week making the case for his driver Nyck de Vries to be the ideal Williams recruit, a like-for-like slot-in for George Russell – and suggesting that he wasn’t keen on having a Red Bull driver getting to experience a Mercedes PU… Yet it’s happened anyway.

Has the political ground just shifted between Mercedes and Red Bull? Is the Albon deal just the tip of an iceberg which will become apparent in due course?
 
With the driver shuffle settled down, I decided to check on the Formula 2 standings.
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Coming of the summer break, Alpine's two academy drivers are in a comfortable one-two. Assuming they stay the course and either the Aussie or the Chinaman wins F2, what are the odds that Renault, if the rumors about Seb leaving F1 are true, cuts a deal with Aston Martin to give one of their drivers a 2022 ride?
 
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Really loved that race track. Now with this driver shuffle going on, I'm hoping that somehow, some way, Kubica gets another shot in a competitive car.
On vacation rest of the week, looking forward to Monza (sprint race this time around lads!) so throwing out a bit of a ramble.

I was going to give you a hard disagree on Kubica return, but thought I'd chime in with my thoughts on the driver soap opera happening now, and the future drivers who may or may not be in F1 in the coming years.

Nothing against Kubica, if things had turned out differently, he would have been great in F1 with a good team. The mere fact he had that serious wreck in Montreal and then came back next year to win, then the life-changing crash, and was at least able to do F1 again is a testament to his strength and abilities.

Why I "disagree" that it'd be great to have him back is more to do with what I see as a fairly large number of drivers who should be in F1, a few who shouldn't and thus are taking seats away, and the main fact being that there are only 20 seats. Given Robert's age, that is main reason why I disagree. In a perfect world, he would be in his 15th season now and have a number of wins under his belt, at least.

On the other side of the age coin, we have plenty of young guys in the junior ranks. There are also a few "not past their prime yet" (Hulk, Romain, Mag, maybe even Ericsson given he looks great this year in Indy) who deserved better when they were recently in F1.

Looking at the younger guys, I made a list below of drivers who I would like to see in F1 in the next year or 3. They are the ones for me that I feel either deserve a shot, would do ok, or are potential winners if they get in F1 and end up in a good enough team (let's hope there is huge parity in 2022 and 8 out of 10 teams can win a race!!) and a few to watch out for in future. There are also younger guys say 13-16 who are coming through.

F2
Piastri
Zhou
Pourchaire (He is really young and drives quite well)
WATCH FOR
Schwartzman
Vips
Lundgaard
Drugovich
Lawson

F3
Hauger
Doohan
WATCH FOR
Novalak
Martins
Vesti
Smolyar
A Leclerc

Keeping an eye on these guys in FREC
Grégoire Saucy
Zane Maloney

I was even trying to be selective so it just wasn't the top 8 in the F2 and F3 standings. Nor did I throw in a few Indycar young guys like Herta, O'Ward, Palou.

But it illustrates the point that there are way many more drivers than seats and many of those above aren't ever going to be in F1, unless we get more teams, or they do 3 cars per team (which I am starting to really think would be a great, and perhaps a necessary move).

tl;dr: The whole point being, there seems to be a lot of drivers who deserve to be in F1 but 1) due to lack of teams, 2) the BS with how drivers get seats with the political shit, 3) because their dad's are billionaires, and with the 4) longevity of an F1 career for most drivers, some who should be there now or by 2025, will never get a shot, or will be in and out before they can prove themselves in a top team.

So, much as I like Kimi, Kubica etc., there are so many young guys who miss out when a vet is just taking up a seat when they will never recapture their glory years when they were winners or WDC. Alonso and Vettel are kind of in that role too now. While I like Seb and feel he is a great driver when he is one with car, he isn't recapturing his glory and is unlikely to, so why really bother?

It will be interesting to see if that "rumour" I posted above is true. If so, who gets the AM seat? I think they don't have to go with a highest bidder type of deal given Stroll's $$ so maybe they can snag someone great! Who would you guys want in or think would get the seat?
 
I like the track, onboards feel like Monaco you have a wall coming at you very fast. Nice to see corners having an outside line instead of the usual defend the inside and the banking is awesome.
In general, F1 could need more tracks with banking corners.
Vettel doesn't have a stellar season, but he has great moments here and there. I really hope he'll at least stick around to 2022, just to see if the new car will suit his driving style.
 
With the driver shuffle settled down, I decided to check on the Formula 2 standings.
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Coming of the summer break, Alpine's two academy drivers are in a comfortable one-two. Assuming they stay the course and either the Aussie or the Chinaman wins F2, what are the odds that Renault, if the rumors about Seb leaving F1 are true, cuts a deal with Aston Martin to give one of their drivers a 2022 ride?
The Alpine Young driver program has got to be the worst place to find yourself as a young driver (well after independent of course). They have 1 team with no "b" team and their current lineup isn't going anywhere fast. Whoever wins the F2 is pretty much shit outta luck.

I doubt there will be a deal with Aston Martin as they run Mercedes engines and Toto seem to want to rule the entire stable with an iron fist. Haas and Alfa are basically Ferrari junior teams, the red bull 4 cars are already spoken for (and wouldn't be bringing in other team's junior drivers).

As a side note I hope they move Mick to Alfa to replace Giovinazzi. That Haas seat isn't Micks next season it is just "ferrari junior driver" so they could move him. He looks like a tallent for the future (or did in F2) but he's never going to get equal treatment when his team mate's dad basically owns the team. On the other side of it what has Giovinazzi done or what is he likely to do? He's been there for a good number of seasons and done well but they have had multiple chances to promote him to the main team and always passed. He just seems like he's going to be a perpetual also ran which is just a blockage in the ferrari junior program.

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Zhou set for final F1 seat on 2022 grid with Alfa Romeo​

by Ryan Wood

Guanyu Zhou looks set to complete the 2022 Formula 1 grid, taking the last available seat with the Alfa Romeo outfit, replacing Antonio Giovinazzi.

The Chinese driver currently competes in Formula 2 with the UNI-Virtuosi team and sits second in the standings, just five points adrift of leader Oscar Piastri, having taken three race wins and two further podium finishes.

Zhou would complete the F1 grid for next year, following a string of announcements this week which confirmed Valtteri Bottas’ arrival at Alfa Romeo, replacing the retiring Kimi Raikkonen. Meanwhile Alex Albon will drive for Williams alongside Nicholas Latifi.

AlphaTauri have retained both Pierre Gasly and Yuki Tsunoda, and George Russell will partner Lewis Hamilton at Mercedes, taking Bottas’ vacant seat.

Zhou would replace Giovinazzi who has raced for the Alfa Romeo team since 2019, with a best result of fifth at the 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix. His results since have been solid but nothing special, having failed to beat Raikkonen in any of the three seasons as team-mates.

22-year-old Zhou, who was also chasing the second seat at Williams, comes with sponsorship of around $30 million from his Chinese backers.

He is also associated with the Alpine F1 Team through the Alpine Academy, which he has been a member of since 2019 following his split from the Ferrari Junior Academy. It’s expected he will cut ties with Alpine as a result of the deal with the Ferrari-powered Alfa Romeo outfit.
 
Just watched qualifying. Its odd that grid penalties are applied for Sunday so you can basically do what you want and still take the sprint race position. It feels like that's something they should change but then the sprint race is such a great opportunity to undo the penalty for the main race so dunno.
 
Bottas showing some teeth for the first time in his entire career. Given that he never had anything but annual contracts, no wonder he always kept his shit real and worked as Hamilton's buttmonkey.

Anyway, crazy situations with traffic in the pitlane and the racetrack. AM botching their release almost causing a crash (and they were far from being the only ones).
But frankly, as long as nothing bad happens, I really hope they don't change it. Sure, it's a shitty situation to have your hot lap get messed up by a bunch of cars, but ffs, at least it spices up Qualifying and puts some stakes in there as well. Just make sure punishments for unsafe release and ignoring blue flags are enforced propperly, so people are going to avoid doing that shit and it's alright, even if it might fuck over some drivers every now and then.
 
Fines (slap on the wrists) for the teams but no actions against the drivers for the pit lane mess.

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Overall fair, since no damage was done. Would have been a shame to punish the driver (once again) for something far beyond their control.
But it has to be said, that particular fuckup close to the AM pit had people standing in the way of cars, procedures need to be tightened, cause that is a huge risk to their safety.

Is it that Monza has a comparatively narrow pitlane? Never saw that much of a circus before with people leaping out of the way of F1 cars leaving the garage.
 
AM pit had people standing in the way of cars,
It was actually the alpine mechanic telling them to release Ocon who was stood infront of Sebs car when he turned out. They judged them to be operating in an unsafe manner there hence the Alpine fine too.

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I did enjoy the Sky F1 commentary with Ted jumping in "they definitely touched, there could be damage blah blah nlah" then when they showed the replay like no Ted, no they didn't.
 
Yeah, the commentator talked about the possibility of damage to Hamilton's car (like I care) after the crash that totally just happened, then it turns out he was just seeing things.
I never watched these commentators in the past, but now that F1 is only on pay-tv in Germany, I've watched the Sky F1 stream a couple of times and I have to say, it boggles my mind. They are off the mark on several occasions, stuff that I as a layman know better and get validated one way or the other. Either it's the description of a situation like a crash or the strategy call of a team... what background do these guys have? They should know better.
 

F1 TO DROP MGU-H, SETTING UP LIKELY RED BULL VOLKSWAGEN TIE-UP​

4 hours ago
By Mark Hughes and Scott Mitchell

Formula 1 is set to abandon the MGU-H and delay its new engine ruleset to 2026 in a move that sets up a likely Red Bull/Volkswagen engine collaboration.

The MGU-H is a sophisticated element of the complex V6 turbo-hybrids and there was previously a serious discussion about dropping it several years ago, but the manufacturers united in keeping it.

However, that appears set to change for the new engine formula, which is also likely to be pushed from 2025 to 2026.

There is another meeting this weekend at Monza between stakeholders about the new rules.
This will include the VW Group, which has been part of previous discussions. While that participation has never been a signal of intent to enter F1, the likelihood of it resulting in an engine programme will increase significantly if F1 does drop the MGU-H.

Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari initially wanted to retain the MGU-H as it is viewed as a cutting-edge piece of technology within the hybrid engines, which risk becoming obsolete as the automotive industry moves towards electrification.

Red Bull always called for as much simplification as possible and would therefore want no MGU-H, which would negate the head start the existing manufacturers had on the new Red Bull Powertrains company that was set up to build the first in-house Red Bull F1 engine.

The existing manufacturers being in favour of the MGU-H appeared to be a roadblock for Red Bull but Volkswagen is also against the MGU-H – even though it has used the technology before – and would only enter F1 on the right terms, which presented Red Bull with an ally.

Plus, F1 is determined to attract a new manufacturer with the engine rules, which always meant a greater effort was likely to be made to incorporate certain demands.

It appears that Red Bull and Volkswagen are working towards a common project for the new regulations despite being two independent voices in the discussions.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-albon-deal-hints-at-mercedes-red-bull-f1-power-shift/
A collaboration makes sense as it allows both parties to share the financial burden of developing an F1 engine as well as the technology required to do so.

The other manufacturers have gradually come to change their stance on keeping the MGU-H, although what exactly triggered the changing of their positions and what may be being traded for their support is unclear.

Mercedes’ preference would still be to keep the MGU-H given the contribution it makes to the unprecedented thermal efficiency of the power units but pushing back would be futile with other parties in agreement and the VW Group’s entry into F1 being such a high priority.

Ensuring all parties are aligned is also important to achieve other important goals such as the cost restrictions everyone involved believes are essential.

This weekend’s meeting will seek to establish further details, such as how much the power unit’s electrical output should increase by and how best to manage the expense of designing what will need to be all-new engines to eliminate the MGU-H.
 
Quite a nice sprint race, I must say.

Great start by Verstappen and Ricciardo, great start for Hamilton (from my perspective)... but it's a shame Gasly got his front wing damaged and crashed out. Hope he'll get back to a favorable position during the race tomorrow.
 
And let's not forget Verstappen gained another 2 points while Hamilton gets none. So far the "damage control" for Red Bull works really good. And tomorrow Verstappen starts from Pole because Mercedes changes parts in Bottas car. So we have Verstappen, Ricciardo and Norris and then Hamitlon on the front. If the Mclaren can really keep up with their speed Hamitlon and Verstappen might hqave a hard time (Hamilton most likely more since he is behind them) Oh and I read that even Hamilton will have to take a grid penalty at the end of the season because Mercedes is running out of usable components (just like Red Bull) That would be interesting.
 
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