Deus Ex Franchise - Immersive Sims

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Deus Ex Politcal Compass Meme

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

 

[Realistic]

Did you guys know that Avengers came out during Deus Ex's 20th anniversary, and Eidos didn't bother to acknowledge the anniversary at all? It's bad enough to have MD's sequel canned in favor of that disaster, but to have it completely overshadow the anniversary sure felt like salt in the wound.

Why do they even bother to keep that piece of shit game going? what benefit do they have from trying to salvage a disaster of a game?

they've done everything they can to salvage it but it's still a disaster, just with more lipstick on it.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Directors Cut. Evidently the original didn't have the issues but you can't find it anywhere. There is far too much stuttering.

That's too bad, good thing I already own the original on Steam.

It’s probably for the best that Eidos Montreal were relegated to being a support studio on that terrible Avengers game after Mankind Divided underperformed because the Deus Ex franchise was heading in the direction of being a micro transaction riddled live-service.

And like I said there's no way you could make a game about conspiracy theories in today's climate and do it justice.

Why do they even bother to keep that piece of shit game going? what benefit do they have from trying to salvage a disaster of a game?

they've done everything they can to salvage it but it's still a disaster, just with more lipstick on it.

Literally as soon as they said Kamala Khan was going to be a part of it I knew it was going to be a failure.

Think of all the money they stood to make and they intentionally cratered that with Wokeness, it's fucking hilarious how shitty the modern climate is for games.

 

[McAfee'sCorpse]

Was Deus Ex Actually Good?

Deus Ex is considered to be one of the greatest games ever made. That's a claim not to be taken lightly. "Masterpiece" has been used to describe many above...

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More people need to watch Synth Man's stuff. Overall, The stealth in the OG Deus Ex is a bit dated and clunky but the story sure as hell makes up for it, along with the variety of ways you can tackle a problem. Denton's deadpan reaction to everything is fucking hilarious. 9/10 game for sure.

 

[McAfee'sCorpse]

I've played most of the well known ones like the system shock and prey series, but there are always pc games out there I've never heard of. With immersive sims not being particularly prevalent idk if perhaps there are some indie games or ones currently in development to look for.

Play Diving Cybermancy, MSC, S.T.A.L.K.E.R series, Vampire Masquerade, Cruelty Squad, Metro series, and Far Cry 2. All very good games and definitely worth playing.

 

[Vault Boy]

Why do they even bother to keep that piece of shit game going? what benefit do they have from trying to salvage a disaster of a game?

they've done everything they can to salvage it but it's still a disaster, just with more lipstick on it.

They still have to fulfill their obligation to Spider-Man's exclusivity deal, and maybe Marvel doesn't want to admit failure yet (after all, how many Captain Marvel reboots have there been?). Personally, I think they'd be way better off scuttling that game and focusing on Deus Ex and Tomb Raider instead, those IPs can't be nearly as expensive to work on as Avenger's was.

If nothing else, it's a bittersweet feeling to see the game that put Deus Ex on ice become such a disaster.

 

[Snekposter]

They still have to fulfill their obligation to Spider-Man's exclusivity deal, and maybe Marvel doesn't want to admit failure yet (after all, how many Captain Marvel reboots have there been?). Personally, I think they'd be way better off scuttling that game and focusing on Deus Ex and Tomb Raider instead, those IPs can't be nearly as expensive to work on as Avenger's was.

If nothing else, it's a bittersweet feeling to see the game that put Deus Ex on ice become such a disaster.

Dammit Eidos, We never asked for this.

 

[biozeminadae1]

What the fuck is an immersive sim? Why does everything have to be a simulator? Pisses me off.

I've enjoyed both Human Revolution and Mankind Divided, I would've loved a remake of the first for the anniversary.

Did you guys know that Avengers came out during Deus Ex's 20th anniversary, and Eidos didn't bother to acknowledge the anniversary at all? It's bad enough to have MD's sequel canned in favor of that disaster, but to have it completely overshadow the anniversary sure felt like salt in the wound.

Neither did Valve acknowledge Half-Life's anniversary in 2018.

 

[Vault Boy]

Dammit Eidos, We never asked for this.

I know, but at least they've paid the price for fucking Deus Ex over. They really should've made a sequel to MD instead.

 

[biozeminadae1]

I'm not gonna stand here and let you farmers badmouth the greatest democracy this world has ever known.

 

[zettalow]

I just finished Deus Ex for the first time the other day. It took a few playthroughs over the past couple years to really get over the initial hump of the odd shooting/poor stealth, but it hooked me this time and I binged the entire game in a couple days. Genuinely one of my top 10 games, one of the few times I can remember a game where I actively wanted to explore every single level to completion. The game is really rewarding in that regard, both in terms of providing excellent world-building conversations between enemies and material goods strewn about the map.
The writing was great too, even with the corny delivery on a lot of the lines, they were genuinely well-written and entertaining as hell.

You could probably also count Cruelty Squad and My Summer Car.

This is correct. MSC is a top 10 game of all time. Put over 150 hours into it, know the map like the back of my hand, 10/10 will never put a single minute into it again. Play it.

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I gave this a try but my god, this game runs horribly. I like the ESL-kino and don't mind a little jank, but holy fuck I could not get this game to work properly for the life of me.

 

[JongleJingle]

Alright boys, time for the ultimate question that any self respecting Deus Ex player knows by heart...

Which ending did you choose, and why was it Helios?

 

[Snekposter]

I know, but at least they've paid the price for fucking Deus Ex over. They really should've made a sequel to MD instead.

They should have made a sequel to Human Revolution instead. Mankind Divided was such a disappointment compared to HR.

Alright boys, time for the ultimate question that any self respecting Deus Ex player knows by heart...

Which ending did you choose, and why was it Helios?

Fuck 'em. Went with Tong, and crashed the system with hopefully many survivors. Can't have freedom with centralized control. Just look at what's happening now and how bad it is (Wuhan Flu, Big Tech Censorship), and imagine a world where things are unimaginably worse.

 

[Liquid Marlon]

any other Immersive Sim games floating under the radar that I should look into?

 

[Dom Cruise]

It's a shame Warren Spector wasn't allowed to continue the series, he's said he has ideas for what became of the world, my guess is a game set after Invisible War would take place in the Illuminati's New World Order.

Ion Storm were working on a third Deus Ex game that also would have been a prequel like HR but very different, one of the plot elements would have involved the Chinese secretly trying to take over the US, what an absurd premise.

Alright boys, time for the ultimate question that any self respecting Deus Ex player knows by heart...

Which ending did you choose, and why was it Helios?

Helios, because it seemed like by the 2050s humanity wasn't doing a very good job, so might as well give an AI a chance.

 

[FunPosting101]

Alright boys, time for the ultimate question that any self respecting Deus Ex player knows by heart...

Which ending did you choose, and why was it Helios?

Helios, all the other endings just seemed like they would lead to an eventual return of the dystopia the game depicts.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

@Dom Cruise

Literally as soon as they said Kamala Khan was going to be a part of it I knew it was going to be a failure.

For me it was when they mentioned there'd be "loot" and "gear". Words that now make me groan.

As much as I wish the Deus Ex series was still going, I'm still upset that Mankind Divided was an incomplete game and cash grab in more ways than one. I worry another Deus Ex game would be full of intrusive modern elements that would ruin it.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

They should have made a sequel to Human Revolution instead. Mankind Divided was such a disappointment compared to HR.

Or at least finish the cliffhanger of a plot from Mankind Divided. The Czech Rep. setting was cool and immersive but it didn't feel like the globe trotting conspiracy you find yourself in Human Revolution.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Fuck 'em. Went with Tong, and crashed the system with hopefully many survivors. Can't have freedom with centralized control. Just look at what's happening now and how bad it is (Wuhan Flu, Big Tech Censorship), and imagine a world where things are unimaginably worse.

When I first played it, I went with the Tong ending, but whenever I replay it, I now choose Helios. I guess I became more cynical.

The Tong ending has its heart in the right place, but the inevitable result would be global famines, insurgencies and murder. Anarchy breeds brutal oppression, since the guy with the biggest stick ends up ruling over everyone else.

The Illuminati ending is kind of cool, but on one hand, you just know JC would get Eppsteined eventually and even if he didn't, at some point someone else would take over anyway and the kind of power you created would allow them to do whatever they like.

Helios ending at least leaves you in charge, so you can safeguard humanity against all these other fuckers. It's a dictatorship in a way, but at least it's not a dictatorship run by some asshole with a big stick who crept on top of the cinder pile of the Tong ending or a dictatorship by old men playing at ruling the world in the Illuminati ending.
Also, as an omniscient AI god, you can manipulate every vending machine to sell only lemon lime.

Think of all the money they stood to make and they intentionally cratered that with Wokeness, it's fucking hilarious how shitty the modern climate is for any creative project out there.

FTFY.

It's not just games, new movies in old franchises deliberately go out of their way to screw over old fans and to make a product as chokeful with toxic ideology that has no reason to be there as possible. You oftentimes feel like these movies aren't even pretend to attempt to be entertaining. They are outright garbage start to finish. Same with games, books and so on.

I'm really wondering what Hollywood will do once they have fucked up every single franchise of the 80s and 90s with terrible reboots. Will they go back further and fuck over franchises of the 60s and 70s? I doubt it, those can't be milked for millenial nostalgia. Maybe some smallscale attempts (like "Little House in the Prairie - Woke Edition"), will they instead turn towards original stuff? Ha. Fuck me. Can't even write that with a straight face. Nah, come 2030, everything will be rebooted again. Look forward to wokefied Marvel remakes.
To paraphrase a book as relevant today as ever:
If you want a vision of the future, imagine reboots regurgitating Hollywood stinkers -- forever.

I'm still upset that Mankind Divided was an incomplete game

Seems to be the theme of Eidos' Deus Ex games. HR was also blatantly unfinished when it came out. The game was still a blast and I think it holds up even to the likes of the original DE in places, but it's one of gaming's biggest "what if"s. Just imagine an Upper Hengsha hub... now that would have been amazing, the contrast between the shitty, dystopian Lower Hengsha and the super-clean iPod-design of Upper Hengsha (which would be undeniably equally as dystopian, just in different ways).

Man...