Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

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The protection order barring Chris from the house ended days ago. As long as Barb doesn't go home, and it sounds like she may be in no condition to, there's nothing stopping them from letting him bail and go home. Knowing Chris the mortgage will likely go unpaid and trigger a foreclosure soon, but I doubt there'd be sufficient legal proceedings to foreclose and evict him before the September hearing. So the whole 'Chris will be homeless if they spring him' isn't correct at the moment, unless a new order barring him from the house is produced. His lawyer seemed more concerned that some a-loggers would fuck him up if he was freed and that he's safer in jail, which I wouldn't write off as a possibility.
 
robobobo said:
The protection order barring Chris from the house ended days ago. As long as Barb doesn't go home, and it sounds like she may be in no condition to, there's nothing stopping them from letting him bail and go home. Knowing Chris the mortgage will likely go unpaid and trigger a foreclosure soon, but I doubt there'd be sufficient legal proceedings to foreclose and evict him before the September hearing. So the whole 'Chris will be homeless if they spring him' isn't correct at the moment, unless a new order barring him from the house is produced. His lawyer seemed more concerned that some a-loggers would fuck him up if he was freed and that he's safer in jail, which I wouldn't write off as a possibility.
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Okay but who's paying the electricity?
Does Chris even have the key to the house?
What about people harassing Chris at home?
What if Chris did something even crazier?

Chris is not going back to BC 14 unless Barb shows improvement and decides not to press charges....
And that's not going to happen.
 
robobobo said:
His lawyer seemed more concerned that some a-loggers would fuck him up if he was freed and that he's safer in jail, which I wouldn't write off as a possibility.
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From his lawyer's perspective having Chris in jail by himself is great, because to some degree it prevents him from doing or saying anything that will make the case even worse, which he would inevitably do if he was free. Imagine how many more confessions or new charges Chris could rack up while free but homeless. Heilberg just needs a way to justify doing what he believes is in Chris' best interest and gives him the best shot at winning this case, regardless of whether or not he believes there's any real danger.
 
As for the indictment for the pending charges (or lack thereof), do you think there will be a press release about it when it happens or are the courts gonna try staying hush about shit because of all the pedantic tranny pronoun backlash? I think the grand jury's supposed to meet on Tuesday but I'm wondering how soon we'll actually hear about the outcome.
 
Mariposa Electrique said:
From what I understand, being held without bond in the US is a very serious issue.
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It is. The default is you're bonded, even for murder. Generally (and in Virginia specifically) it is usually the burden of the prosecutor to show the circumstances justify denying bond, specifically, the defendant is likely to fail to appear, or, and I think this is the case here, "his liberty will constitute an unreasonable danger to himself or the public."

If you've ever failed to appear even once, the prosecution more or less automatically has met its burden and it shifts to the defense to show it won't happen this time. You can argue things like ties to the community and an otherwise law-abiding history, etc. Chris doesn't really have those.

Whatever you argue, if you've blown off court multiple times, and it's a serious crime, you're screwed.

Chris hasn't done that, though. Whatever else he's done, he's actually shown up.

The second reason is what probably applies here. Chris is a danger to the public in his current mental state, and especially his mother, and has shown inability to obey rules. I have no doubt if he were out he'd try to go right back to 14 BC, maybe even to break in, and maybe do worse.

In any event, it's unreasonable to take the chance. If Chris has a signature crime, it's going back to places he's been told to leave and never come back to.
wildgoose said:
As for the indictment for the pending charges (or lack thereof), do you think there will be a press release about it when it happens or are the courts gonna try staying hush about shit because of all the pedantic tranny pronoun backlash? I think the grand jury's supposed to meet on Tuesday but I'm wondering how soon we'll actually hear about the outcome.
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It only gets certified to the grand jury after the preliminary hearing. So it will probably be reported on or shortly after the next following grand jury date, depending on how long the grand jury sits and how many cases they handle. Or it will be handled at the District Court if, for some reason, it's a purely misdemeanor case (unlikely).
Mariposa Electrique said:
They can't just refuse you bail because you're a vagrant.
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That actually would be a partial reason. Ties to the community are a major part of granting bail and setting an amount. Someone who has a stable residence in the area is more likely to stick around than a vagrant. It would still be up to the prosecution to show flight risk, but if they did, it would be a lot harder for the defense to rebut.

Also economic status is not constitutionally protected against discrimination. To paraphrase an old saying, "It isn't a crime to be poor, but it might as well be."
 
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What's the over/under on Chris having some real bad incriminating material on his hard drive? I'd be really surprised if there were no CSA material he's been sent from trolls that he's been too fucking dumb to remove. Thumbnail cache would be enough to stick him with a charge.
 
Penrowe said:
What's the over/under on Chris having some real bad incriminating material on his hard drive? I'd be really surprised if there were no CSA material he's been sent from trolls that he's been too fucking dumb to remove. Thumbnail cache would be enough to stick him with a charge.
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Probably none as Null has had complete control of his email for years at this point.
 
jibberjabber said:
At what point can Chris be sent gifts while locked up? I am uncertain if that is something you are allowed before being sent to prison, instead of just jail

I have a feeling any facility holding him is going to have to deal with a tidal wave of really weird junk coming in on a daily basis
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Gifts in what sense? Almost anything other than letters would be unable to reach him, and they are likely to screen letters heavily. All communications will be read, and if he is receiving a large volume, it is likely that they will simply enforce an "approved senders" list, much like how visitors have to be on a preapproved list.

If someone wanted to gift him something, about all he would be able to receive is commissary funds. Donations can be made (if you're retarded) at JailATM.com. there are little kiosks inside of correctional facilities that look like tiny ATMs precisely for that purpose.

Unlike prison, there is likely little available other than toiletries for Chris to purchase. This is not a large facility.
 
Unpleasant said:
Unlike prison, there is likely little available other than toiletries for Chris to purchase. This is not a large facility.
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I believe CVRJ is one of the dormitory style facilities. A big room with a bunch of bunk beds. Chris wouldn't have his own space to keep anything other than a few small items anyway, if his stuff doesn't get outright stolen.
 
Unpleasant said:
Gifts in what sense?
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Books, magazines, paper, crayons, the sort of things that might interest him, but most likely he would end up receiving a ton of fan/troll mail

I tried doing a little searching and it appeared in Virginia prisons you can order books and other such supplies for prisoners delivered direct from Amazon, but I am uncertain how true that is
 
Ser Ciappelletto said:
Probably none as Null has had complete control of his email for years at this point.
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Ehhh Null has had far less control over Chris than he’d have liked to believed.

That’s the curse of being a Chris guardian: you have to now face that you got fooled into thinking you had any real control over him OR that you suck at keeping Chris out of trouble.
 
jibberjabber said:
I tried doing a little searching and it appeared in Virginia prisons you can order books and other such supplies for prisoners delivered direct from Amazon, but I am uncertain how true that is
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I'm almost certain this is true, like you said they need to come directly from the publisher or a bookseller ie Amazon. I think Jpay or whatever corporation handles commissary has a website where books can be ordered
To ensure delivery, it is best to contact the correctional facility to which you will be shipping to inquire about any specific rules they have regarding what can and cannot be accepted, such as subject matter, book format, and what courier services they do and do not accept.

Inmate numbers can now be included in the Last Name field. You can also enter the recipient's inmate number, enter it in the "Apt, Suite, etc." field in the shipping address.

You must also check the box at the bottom that states: "Address can't be serviced by UPS," as most correctional facilities will accept only USPS parcels. To make this selection, you must create a BN.com account and locate this box while adding the Correctional Facility as a shipping address.

But also when was the last time Chris read a book?
 
Unpleasant said:
Gifts in what sense? Almost anything other than letters would be unable to reach him, and they are likely to screen letters heavily. All communications will be read, and if he is receiving a large volume, it is likely that they will simply enforce an "approved senders" list, much like how visitors have to be on a preapproved list.

If someone wanted to gift him something, about all he would be able to receive is commissary funds. Donations can be made (if you're retarded) at JailATM.com. there are little kiosks inside of correctional facilities that look like tiny ATMs precisely for that purpose.

Unlike prison, there is likely little available other than toiletries for Chris to purchase. This is not a large facility.
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Many prisons, and some jails these days, have iPads (well, ancient Android tablets actually) available for prisoners for free or to buy.

So Chris might be able to watch movies and play games. And more importantly for our purposes: Send and receive messages and voice/video calls.


If he gets one, I’ll estimate it’ll be a matter of weeks before some weens start to communicate with him and “pass along messages” tweets, etc.

(However, the messages are available to be read by prison staff, so you can’t use them to call out hits or threaten witnesses, etc. How some random Corrections Officer will treat Da Merge babble is of course a big unknown.)


TLDR: Even if Chris does time in the big house, this likely isn’t the last we’ve seen or heard from him.
 
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