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Just saw the 1965 movie Kwaidan a anthology of 4 short japanese ghost stories. The 2nd one "The Woman of the Snow" is possibly my favorite of the 4, which isnt a knock on the other stories as they are all excellent.

Onibaba is another Japanese horror flick from a year before Kwaidan that basically about the stresses of being horny aftee your husband dies.

Shura is the last film i'll mention from the same decade from the underated Toshio Matsumoto of "Funeral Parade of Colors" fame. Perhaps its more of a thriller but with the atmosphere and light supernatural elements, you can excuse it as a horror flick. Its basically a Shakespearian tragedy about a samurai taking revenger against his whore wife and her associates. You can watch the whole film in youtube in HD.

Finally to take a break from Japan I will suggest 2 European films:

Angst, the 1983 home invasion film from Austria. Basically Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer but waaaay better, now done in a first person perspective. A must for those who love Gaspar Noe. Kinda reminds me of the infamous satirical film Man Bites Dog, both movies about serial killers and both becoming the only full length films of their respective directors.

And finally, Diabel from the legendary Polish director Andrzej Zulawski (of Possesion fame). A Faustian horror tale taking place in the Prussian invasion of Poland. Easily his most energetic and easiest movie to digest. I dont know why but I got a feeling that this film feels like something Tatsuki Fujimoto would make even if its atmosphere and imagery can also conjure up images of Bloodborne. Also, this film has one scene that is the closest thing you will ever get in having a live action Castlevania movie.

its also a big influence to my Jojo: SBR fanfic even of it takes place in the Carribean
 
Internet War Criminal said:
I watched the trailer and it really looks like the first episode from Fringe (which was a great fucking tv show)

To this day people keep praising the babadook, and I can't bring myself to watch it. It's still in my 'To Watch' list ever since it got a huge buzz when it did its first festival run, but honestly the fact that ~its all in her head~ and ~deep metaphors~ make it sound like it's gonna be a fucking waste of time.
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[Babadook] I'm curious what other people think about that movie. I've only seen it once when it was released and have read nothing about it so this is just my impression. To me it seemed like Dad died and Mom turned to drinking. Drunk-Mom was the Babadook, she wrote the story of that character, and the kid didn't get nuttier, Mom was drunk more often and the household decayed as a result while the kid tried to slay the dragon of sorts. I remember two shots supporting this idea, one when they were in the kitchen, then suddenly the kitchen was filled with unwashed dishes and garbage, the later scene where she pukes black bile that you see is red, like red wine.

Demon in a bottle.
 
Calandrino said:
I guess they were trying to set that up the whole movie somehow, if you rewatch it, but yeah it still didn't make too much sense and I would have to classify that ending as retarded.


Audition is probably the most uncomfortable-to-watch movie for me ever. Somehow it bothered me more than movies like that usually do. The Japanese are a frightening people.

I read Ring (the book) recently, and you know, that was alright. I don't remember the movie well enough to say how different it was.


Yes, plus silent movies like Nosferatu and Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Val Lewton, etc. (Basically everything up to ~1996 and then my interest goes downhill fast.) Dead of Night is a particularly interesting British movie from 1945 that I didn't see until fairly recently.

I've been watching some Hammer non-horror movies (there are more than I thought) recently... mixed bag, but one movie, Cash on Demand starring Peter Cushing, I thought was particularly good. It's a thriller based on a play, and it's one of those movies that you can tell is obviously based on a play.


I find the Universal Monsters' status as the "first cinematic universe" a little overstated. Basically Lon Chaney's Wolfman crossed over with the Frankenstein series and beyond that it's kind of fuzzy. Yeah Dracula shows up but Dracula shows up in a lot of movies, there's nothing to tie him to Bela Lugosi's character. At points there's not a lot even to connect movies that are supposed to be in the same series. I didn't think the Hammer movies ever did any crossovers. So I can imagine the Dark Universe being an easy pitch for the Universal execs with the MCU being what it is and all, but as much as they want it to be a thing I don't think it ever will be.

Not-Universal "crossovers" with no supporting movies have been done, while skirting copyright: Monster Squad, The Creeps, probably others. ofc they won't leave Dracula alone but otherwise although I'd be down for low/mid budget Universal knockoffs that aren't straight CGI capeshit I dunno if the general audience would be having it.
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Autistic as this will probably sound, I think a "Universal Horror but without the copyrighted stuff" shared universe actually could work as a series of low-budget independent entities and I'm surprised we haven't seen some low-end studio like Blumhouse or Full Moon try to do this.

You'd have to find a way to sell it right so people won't just dismiss it on principle and will follow the series, but I do think it has potential with a competent writer and filmmaker.

It'd be like a "Public Domain Cinematic Universe" for lack of a better term. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen initially started out with a similar concept but the movie bombed at the box office and the comics went off the deep end because it's Alan Moore.

Maybe you could even add some stuff that's not part of the typical Universal milieu but is still public domain such as Sherlock Holmes, Night of the Living Dead, Hop Frog, Masque of the Red Death, etc.
 
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Treyvon Azagthot said:
Just saw the 1965 movie Kwaidan a anthology of 4 short japanese ghost stories. The 2nd one "The Woman of the Snow" is possibly my favorite of the 4, which isnt a knock on the other stories as they are all excellent.

Onibaba is another Japanese horror flick from a year before Kwaidan that basically about the stresses of being horny aftee your husband dies.

Shura is the last film i'll mention from the same decade from the underated Toshio Matsumoto of "Funeral Parade of Colors" fame. Perhaps its more of a thriller but with the atmosphere and light supernatural elements, you can excuse it as a horror flick. Its basically a Shakespearian tragedy about a samurai taking revenger against his whore wife and her associates. You can watch the whole film in youtube in HD.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=E8zuKRcxmsg
Finally to take a break from Japan I will suggest 2 European films:

Angst, the 1983 home invasion film from Austria. Basically Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer but waaaay better, now done in a first person perspective. A must for those who love Gaspar Noe. Kinda reminds me of the infamous satirical film Man Bites Dog, both movies about serial killers and both becoming the only full length films of their respective directors.

And finally, Diabel from the legendary Polish director Andrzej Zulawski (of Possesion fame). A Faustian horror tale taking place in the Prussian invasion of Poland. Easily his most energetic and easiest movie to digest. I dont know why but I got a feeling that this film feels like something Tatsuki Fujimoto would make even if its atmosphere and imagery can also conjure up images of Bloodborne. Also, this film has one scene that is the closest thing you will ever get in having a live action Castlevania movie.

its also a big influence to my Jojo: SBR fanfic even of it takes place in the Carribean
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I checked and there's a Blu release of Angst that has the opening scene. The opening scene had the killer shoot an old woman for no reason and then a narrator explains his history of mental health issues. The director had a change of heart at one point and removed the opening scene (relegating it to poor quality VHS with burnt in subtitles) but I was happy to see it restored at 1080P.

Great fucking film. One of the best serial killer movies on par with Henry, Maniac and Nightmares in a Damaged Brain.

Diabel was good but I haven't seen it in like 15 years.
 
Watching jeepers creepers (as best I can given the baggage the movies have attached to it) the best will always the first. It has a lot of shout outs to classic horror like the on the road truck chase being an almost shot for shot Homage to duel, then it feels like a slasher flick when it shows Derry and Trish at the church the creeper uses for a base.

The way the creeper turns to the camera and looks at the viewer as he dumps a body down a pipe in a "he knows " way. It's a well made horror movie and tried to make horror serious again after films like scream, I know what you did last summer and final destination (all still good movies btw) overused the whole "self aware we know we're in a movie lol." Style of filmmaking that took over the genre on the 90s-2000s
 
A lot of horror movies are due out soon on 4k blu ray, so far before Halloween got
Halloween 1 to 5 from Scream Factory
The Thing
Deep Red, The Bird with the Crystal Plumage and Children of the Corn from Arrow Video
From Dusk til Dawn
Two Evil Eyes, Dead and Buried, Maniac Cop 2 and 3 from Blue Underground
Scream 1
Dracula, Frankenstein, The Invisible Man and The Wolf Man
Misery
The Silence of the Lambs

In 2022 know Martin, The Frighteners and Dog Soldiers are also due, guess older horror movies are doing well on the format.
 
talk sh1t said:
With that said, I finally decided to watch the original Halloween, since I like the music so much. Keep in mind I'm a sperg who understands nothing about good movies. I loved the atmosphere and all, but in the end I got caught up in how dumb some of Laurie's reactions were during the climax moments, mostly how she lowered her vigilance every time she thought Myers was dead. Kind of ruined it for me lol.
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Well, there's a scene in Hitchcock's The Birds where a character goes into an attic where she would obviously expect killer birds to be and then gets attacked by the killer birds like anybody could have predicted. The actress made these comments in an interview:

“When I first read the script, I said, ‘Mr. Hitchcock, why would I go upstairs? First of all, after knowing what happened to everybody in town, the children and all the farmers?’ He said, ‘Because I tell you to.’
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So, there you go. Horror Writing 101 from a master filmmaker.
 
talk sh1t said:
And is it known what Hitchcock responded? He probably blubbered something about how women wouldn't understand the first thing about film-making so he shan't even bother explaining it to her.
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Pretty sure he was long dead, anyway Hitchcock was famously unkind to Tippi Hedren in all sorts of ways that she was vocal about. He's also the source of the term "fridge logic" and didn't really care about when stuff made no sense on second thought.

talk sh1t said:
But I hate Scream for spoiling (I'm assuming) the plot twist of the first Friday the 13th movie; I was planning on watching that eventually.
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I'm sorry that had to happen to you. If you haven't seen Sleepaway Camp and don't know about it, I'd suggest watching that without reading any kind of plot description. That should adequately compensate.
 
Treyvon Azagthot said:
Just saw the 1965 movie Kwaidan a anthology of 4 short japanese ghost stories. The 2nd one "The Woman of the Snow" is possibly my favorite of the 4, which isnt a knock on the other stories as they are all excellent.
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"Woman of the Snow" inspired one of the stories in an American horror anthology horror movie. I guess in theory I'm spoiling its ending by pointing it out, since they both have the same twist? Tales from the Dark Side

It also inspired the Pokemon Froslass.

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talk sh1t said:
I also watched Hostel. Just about as dumb as I expected it to be, even though I liked the concept of the large-scale torture dungeon, especially minor details like the butcher taking care of the corpses. Simple stuff, I know. The ending was pretty dumb, and I'm pretty sure is based on a plot-hole
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He seems him working on the dead body of his friend when before getting dragged to his own torture room

Fuck people who shit on the Hostel Trilogy. Fine, the third one was nowhere near as good as the first two movies, but most people who bitched about them were moralizing faggots who don't get horror or exploitation. They were competent and good movies for what they were supposed to be.
talk sh1t said:
I watched three Justin Benson movies (Resolution, Spring and The Endless), since they've been described as highly Lovecraftian. I liked them but I think I have to rewatch The Endless because I can't remember how it ends.
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Synchonicity was a fucking letdown after those three movies. Resolution is by far one of my favorite horror movies of all time.

talk sh1t said:
I was planning on watching that eventually.
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Scream movies are great, but you absolutely have to watch the Friday the 13th series. It's the best slasher series that exist, bar none. First one is actually not so good, second movie is much better, third is really weird, four to six are fucking CLASSIC and the rest of them are enjoyable and watchable. Especially if you've been drinking and you have friends around. Even without, still extremely enjoyable.

Mad energy


In fact, the F13 series (minus the remake) are a litmus test: anyone who says they don't like them is a faggot you should ignore because fuuuuuck those people.
 
I like the Friday the 13th remake. All the remakes by Platinum Dunes (Michael Bay's company) were cynically made cash grabs. That much is true. But Friday the 13th -let's be honest- was in itself a cynically made cash grab. So in a weird kind of serendipity it all worked out with the remake. It also helped that the writers of Freddy VS Jason worked on it. And I liked Freddy VS Jason despite some issues like CGI gore and Freddy only killing one person in a very uncreative manner.

All the elements are in place for the Friday the 13th remake:

Adult Jason. Who is wearing the hockey mask for the majority of the run time. Jason is a force of nature and not easily subdued by a 110 LB woman like in part 2 or 3.

It's set at Camp Crystal Lake which was refreshing after parts 8-10.

The fodder or red shirts or our main characters are actually likable.

The opening 20 minutes is genius and is a good example of subverting expectations.

Tits and gore are top notch. It plays hand in hand with the cynicism but the suites understood that the average consumer knows that the franchise is known for these things: Jason with the hockey mask, Camp Crystal Lake setting, and an abundance of tits and gore. This one certainly delivers with some of the best kills in the franchise.
 
BrunoMattei said:
I like the Friday the 13th remake. All the remakes by Platinum Dunes (Michael Bay's company) were cynically made cash grabs. That much is true. But Friday the 13th -let's be honest- was in itself a cynically made cash grab. So in a weird kind of serendipity it all worked out with the remake. It also helped that the writers of Freddy VS Jason worked on it. And I liked Freddy VS Jason despite some issues like CGI gore and Freddy only killing one person in a very uncreative manner.

All the elements are in place for the Friday the 13th remake:

Adult Jason. Who is wearing the hockey mask for the majority of the run time. Jason is a force of nature and not easily subdued by a 110 LB woman like in part 2 or 3.

It's set at Camp Crystal Lake which was refreshing after parts 8-10.

The fodder or red shirts or our main characters are actually likable.

The opening 20 minutes is genius and is a good example of subverting expectations.

Tits and gore are top notch. It plays hand in hand with the cynicism but the suites understood that the average consumer knows that the franchise is known for these things: Jason with the hockey mask, Camp Crystal Lake setting, and an abundance of tits and gore. This one certainly delivers with some of the best kills in the franchise.
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Seconding this. When the remake first came out, I dismissed it and refused to watch it for years. Seeing how badly they butchered the Nightmare on Elm Street remake in 2010 and the trainwreck that was Rob Zombie's taken on the Halloween series (Halloween II in particular), I sort of expected the F13 remake to be like that.

I recently watched it last month and I actually enjoyed it for what it was. It's nowhere near as good as a lot of the old films like Part VI or Part IV but it's a decent little remake that actually does what it sets out to do.
 
I guess I'll throw a few things out that haven't gotten a mention yet.

Dead Alive / Braindead, probably just my favorite movie period I wish we could get that Peter Jackson back making movies again, the whole thing is quotable as fuck and did what Shaun of the Dead did like 10 years earlier. Also it's a 1950's period piece, and the cars buildings, ect try to make it look the part.

Martyrs, I've watched this one quite a few times now cause I'm a masochist I guess but I've came to appreciate it a lot and like to show it to people if I think they can stomach it. I don't even think it's
the flaying that will both most people but the 20 minute beating/torture right before that.
If you can get past how fucked up it gets the movie does do some simplistic but clever enough allegories and raises some interesting ethical questions in the end.

You're Next, Home invasion film with a real interesting twist on the genre along with a nice soundtrack.
One of the characters actually knows kinda how to handle the situation cause of her upbringing
Honestly one of the better stronk woman movies I've seen too. Also where the idea for the masks in Hotline Miami came from.
 
Friday the 13th remake to me just felt like the best hits of Jason movie. Not badly made on any level, just wish it has something new to bring to the table.
 
talk sh1t said:
Now I'm going to watch Rondo, based on your description.
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The only problem with Rondo is that the ending doesn't live up to the first 3/4th of the movie, it's like they wrote themselves in a corner and went with a much more typical exploitation ending. Which, I mean, fair enough, it wasn't terrible or anything but brought it down to a solid 4/5 instead of a 4.5/5 imo.

BrunoMattei said:
I like the Friday the 13th remake. All the remakes by Platinum Dunes (Michael Bay's company) were cynically made cash grabs. That much is true. But Friday the 13th -let's be honest- was in itself a cynically made cash grab. So in a weird kind of serendipity it all worked out with the remake. It also helped that the writers of Freddy VS Jason worked on it. And I liked Freddy VS Jason despite some issues like CGI gore and Freddy only killing one person in a very uncreative manner.

All the elements are in place for the Friday the 13th remake:

Adult Jason. Who is wearing the hockey mask for the majority of the run time. Jason is a force of nature and not easily subdued by a 110 LB woman like in part 2 or 3.

It's set at Camp Crystal Lake which was refreshing after parts 8-10.

The fodder or red shirts or our main characters are actually likable.

The opening 20 minutes is genius and is a good example of subverting expectations.

Tits and gore are top notch. It plays hand in hand with the cynicism but the suites understood that the average consumer knows that the franchise is known for these things: Jason with the hockey mask, Camp Crystal Lake setting, and an abundance of tits and gore. This one certainly delivers with some of the best kills in the franchise.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a terrible movie by any stretch of the imagination, my problem is that it doesn't feel like a Friday the 13th movie. It suffers from that grimdark attitude that almost all the remakes and reboots were suffering from at the time. Switch the mask, don't mention crystal lake, and people would have called it a Friday the 13th rip off. And that's the problem, it feels more like a rip off than an actual entry in the series, as enjoyable as it is.

I'd still watch it over Jason Goes to Hell, the weakest fucking link in that series.

Syaoran Li said:
I recently watched it last month and I actually enjoyed it for what it was. It's nowhere near as good as a lot of the old films like Part VI or Part IV but it's a decent little remake that actually does what it sets out to do.
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Yeah that's basically my position.

Ebonic Tutor said:
You're Next, Home invasion film with a real interesting twist on the genre along with a nice soundtrack.
One of the characters actually knows kinda how to handle the situation cause of her upbringing
Honestly one of the better stronk woman movies I've seen too.
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It's not a stronk woman story, it's a straight up strong woman story. That's how you write a woman character who fights back in a realistic way. She's vulnerable but she has the upper hand because of her inner strength, her past, and she knows not to fuck with people who are bigger than her, she's not 5'2" in heels bashing in a 6'2" 300 pounds russian. She's in actual fucking danger.

Honestly I found that You're Next was by far one of the best horror movies in the last 10 years, really refreshing and also that fucking opening track is fantastic.

 
Internet War Criminal said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a terrible movie by any stretch of the imagination, my problem is that it doesn't feel like a Friday the 13th movie. It suffers from that grimdark attitude that almost all the remakes and reboots were suffering from at the time. Switch the mask, don't mention crystal lake, and people would have called it a Friday the 13th rip off. And that's the problem, it feels more like a rip off than an actual entry in the series, as enjoyable as it is.

I'd still watch it over Jason Goes to Hell, the weakest fucking link in that series.



Yeah that's basically my position.



It's not a stronk woman story, it's a straight up strong woman story. That's how you write a woman character who fights back in a realistic way. She's vulnerable but she has the upper hand because of her inner strength, her past, and she knows not to fuck with people who are bigger than her, she's not 5'2" in heels bashing in a 6'2" 300 pounds russian. She's in actual fucking danger.

Honestly I found that You're Next was by far one of the best horror movies in the last 10 years, really refreshing and also that fucking opening track is fantastic.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zvbp9YFZjaM
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Sir, I don't think we saw the same movie with the F13 remake. There was quite a bit of comedy in there, just like the other movies. It just didn't involve Jason like parts 6,8 and 10. The originals were already pretty "grimdark" did we conveniently forget about the guy getting the spear gun to the nuts in the Final Chapter?

You're Next I thought was pretty good. The first 20 minutes are fantastic but then it peters out and the twist was kind of lame.
 
BrunoMattei said:
Sir, I don't think we saw the same movie with the F13 remake. There was quite a bit of comedy in there, just like the other movies. It just didn't involve Jason like parts 6,8 and 10. The originals were already pretty "grimdark" did we conveniently forget about the guy getting the spear gun to the nuts in the Final Chapter?

You're Next I thought was pretty good. The first 20 minutes are fantastic but then it peters out and the twist was kind of lame.
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I guess I need to rewatch it, I've been thinking of doing a rewatch of the series anyway

As far as the twist being kind of lame in YN, they set out to make the anti-home invasion movie and inverse all of the tropes, so the killers not being strangers and some of the family being involved makes sense in that context.
 
My favorite horror/scary movies are: John Carpenter's Halloween, Friday the 13th Part 2, The Entity,and The Exorcist III.

I'd say that 'The Entity' is the scariest movie I've ever seen, and 'Friday the 13th' is my favorite series overall.
 
cypocraphy said:
My favorite horror/scary movies are: John Carpenter's Halloween, Friday the 13th Part 2, The Entity, and The Exorcist III.

I'd say that 'The Entity' is the scariest movie I've ever seen, and 'Friday the 13th' is my favorite series overall.
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Yeah, you're a chick. Exorcist 3 is genius and -hot take- I think it's better than the original.
 
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