Sony hate thread

[augment]

Welp thanks for making the choice that much easier soney. Looks like I'm either staying pc or going wherever fighting games and jrpgs that "are not successful outside of japan" go.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I really had a bad feeling the PS5 was going to be the PS3 part deux, but it's still sad to see it happening.

I worry about the impact it could have on the Japanese gaming scene, but it looks they've moved past Sony anyway and multiplat, Nintendo and PC will pick up the slack, whereas they had basically had all their eggs in one basket when it came to the PS3, so that's good.

 

[BananaSplit]

I really had a bad feeling the PS5 was going to be the PS3 part deux, but it's still sad to see it happening.

Main difference is that the PS3 was still a japanese console with japanese games even if it was nowhere as amazing as what the PS1 and the PS2 managed to be. The PS5 is pretty much a console designed to be mainly for "western gaming" with all the related sensibilities approved by the californian rating board. The idea that every game has to be a global AAA blockbuster is also retarded.

I worry about the impact it could have on the Japanese gaming scene, but it looks they've moved past Sony anyway and multiplat, Nintendo and PC will pick up the slack, whereas they had basically had all their eggs in one basket when it came to the PS3, so that's good.

Switch for example filled the hole that was the Vita so now you see visual novels selling the most on the Nintendo system over the PS4 in Japan (such as the Quintuplets VN charting 20k on Switch versus 10k on PS4), and there are similar cases for multiplatform releases in general as of late.

No doubt a few japanese studios will continue to be stubborn and refuse to adapt themselves to the market, like Tamsoft making that Neptunia+SK crossover game on Playstation 4. Although in this particular case, I think what may have happened here is that game was greenlit alongside of Senran Kagura Se7en and with Takaki's insistence that the future of his games belonged on PS. You can see how well that turned out in the end.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Main difference is that the PS3 was still a japanese console with japanese games even if it was nowhere as amazing as what the PS1 and the PS2 managed to be. The PS5 is pretty much a console designed to be mainly for "western gaming" with all the related sensibilities approved by the californian rating board. The idea that every game has to be a global AAA blockbuster is also retarded.

Like I said, Japan has already jumped ship from Sony and now Nintendo is the main focus, the irony is even the PC has almost equal focus to Sony now and will probably have even more focus in the future, which once upon a time Japanese games on the PC were very rare (and I'm talking the IBM PC, not Japanese PCs like the MSX or FM Towns Marty or whatever)

Switch for example filled the hole that was the Vita so now you see visual novels selling the most on the Nintendo system over the PS4 in Japan (such as the Quintuplets VN charting 20k on Switch versus 10k on PS4), and there are similar cases for multiplatform releases in general as of late.

No doubt a few japanese studios will continue to be stubborn and refuse to adapt themselves to the market, like Tamsoft making that Neptunia+SK crossover game on Playstation 4. Although in this particular case, I think what may have happened here is that game was greenlit alongside of Senran Kagura Se7en and with Takaki's insistence that the future of his games belonged on PS. You can see how well that turned out in the end.

Switch is filling the hole not just for the Vita but also the 3DS.

And the genius of the Switch is the fact that you can well, Switch, for me I've always favored playing games on a TV than a handheld (I have that adaptor for the GameCube back in the day that let you play GBA games on your TV), which is why I never bought a Vita or a 3DS, but now I can play any Switch game on my TV if I want to do so.

Nintendo really did make a genius move with the Switch and I think it's only going to get better from here as eventually a more powerful Switch successor will come out.

To some degree it's a shame things have played out this way though because Sony is always going to be able to offer more powerful hardware than Nintendo, gone are the days of the GameCube being more powerful than the PlayStation 2 or PlayStation 2 games like Silent Hill 3 looking more graphically impressive than almost anything coming out of the west at the time, I long for those days, but at the end of the day modern graphics can be good enough and gameplay is what's most important (Breath of The Wild is a great example of this, do I wish it looked a little snazzier? Sure, but it looked good enough and the gameplay was phenomenal), but there is also the PC factor and modern graphics engines being what they are the graphical quality can vary wildly, I feel like Monster Hunter Rise is going to be a real litmus test for this depending on how the PC version turns out, but it already looks impressive on the Switch, if that's the future, Japanese devs releasing their games on the Switch but prettier versions on the PC then hey, that's great, that's better than whatever Wokeshit Sony will be offering up even if it's prettier, because looks aren't everything.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Main difference is that the PS3 was still a japanese console with japanese games even if it was nowhere as amazing as what the PS1 and the PS2 managed to be. The PS5 is pretty much a console designed to be mainly for "western gaming" with all the related sensibilities approved by the californian rating board. The idea that every game has to be a global AAA blockbuster is also retarded.

I dunno what you're remembering but the biggest hits the PS3 had with japanese games was Demons' Souls and Dark Souls, good JRPgs like Tales of Xillia 1 and 2 didn't come out till the end. I've got every JRPG on the console released in North America. It's only the PS3 Tales of series that are desired really desired as for as collectors go.

You had liquid ass like the 3 PS3 Final Fantasy 13 games, even worse liquid ass like the three Hyper Dimension Neptunia games, and shitfuck load of garbage like Eternal Sonata, Disgaea 3 which was bad, Star Ocean which was also bad, White Knight Chronicles which was about as fun as jamming nails under your scrotum. Nier and Tokyo Jungle were the only stand out titles for a long long ass time.

Trinity Universe was also a real stand out piece of shit because it takes close to 300 hours to finish the game completely, a little over 100 if you're quick.

The one thing you can say about the games coming to the PS5 is at least they're of quality. But you can't fondly remember the PS3 unless you only jumped in the last few years of the console because holy hell they had more garbage than anything for quite a few years.

if you're just buying games because you think them being Japanese makes them superior in some form, holy hell are you wrong. The Japanese are just as prone to bad game design as anywhere else.

 

[The Last Stand]

I'm pretty sure they stated it was supposed to be a full on remake of TLOU, not a remaster. That shit is stupid. The fact that they have Bluepoint as a partner and are greenlighting a TLOU remake only brings light to how stupid they are being, wasting resources and losing talent by having on of their support studios and a main studio working on it instead of just handing it off to Bluepoint to do shitty work as they have almost always done.

They're remaking The Last of Us? Already? Did TLoU2 underperform that they have to start over?

 

[Marissa Moira]

They're remaking The Last of Us? Already? Did TLoU2 underperform that they have to start over?

The TV series is coming out, this is how they're going to get more people to want the non-existent PS5's.

it worked for the fucking Witcher with the gay netflix series.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

You know what I just fucking remembered out of nowhere while out of it as hell right now? Playstation Home.
For those that have no clue what the fuck I'm talking about, Playstion home was essentially a weird glorified chatroom f2p game thing Sony made that also advertised other companies games via worlds you could go to, but there were cool built in minigames in some of the worlds, and sometimes shit like a replica of the cantina from star wars as the lucasarts world. No idea if there's any surviving footage of these worlds or pirated backups but there was a hudsonsoft one that had a bomberman game where it was literally just bomberman multiplayer with your weird player avatar as the character instead of bomberman. People would probably still be exploring that weird little game if it wasn't killed when the ps4 came out.
The game also had dlc and micro-transactions which is like a double burn of sorts now that the things just no longer accessible. Some of the shit was like 100 fucking dollars. As in, Sony was charging 100 dollars for some fucking DLC for a game they killed off when the next console came. No refunds.

Playstation Home was full of furries and waiting in line at arcade machines. 5/10.

Have some PS3 controllers that work perfectly fine despite being nearly a decade old. Even the ones that have been used heavily. Use one for PC gaming because of the D-Pad.

Isn't the PS5 backwards compatible with PS4 games? Remaking TLOU seems unnecessary.

 

[The Last Stand]

I wish video games would stop adapting to multimedia.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I dunno what you're remembering but the biggest hits the PS3 had with japanese games was Demons' Souls and Dark Souls, good JRPgs like Tales of Xillia 1 and 2 didn't come out till the end. I've got every JRPG on the console released in North America. It's only the PS3 Tales of series that are desired really desired as for as collectors go.

You had liquid ass like the 3 PS3 Final Fantasy 13 games, even worse liquid ass like the three Hyper Dimension Neptunia games, and shitfuck load of garbage like Eternal Sonata, Disgaea 3 which was bad, Star Ocean which was also bad, White Knight Chronicles which was about as fun as jamming nails under your scrotum. Nier and Tokyo Jungle were the only stand out titles for a long long ass time.

Such dark fucking days for the Japanese gaming scene, it was a nightmare living through that.

The only silver living was that the west was kind of interesting for a while there with games like Bioshock, but now they’ve gone Woke.

And we did also get some great Japanese games early on like Dead Rising and Ninja Gaiden 2 (I’m talking more about the 7th gen in general and not just the PS3) and then right smack dab in the middle of it all was Dark Souls which is of course incredible.

But like I said, those were some bad times to be a Japanese video game fan, thankfully it’s better now but we did suffer some casualties that have yet to come back like Silent Hill.

They're remastering The Last of Us? Already? Did TLoU2 underperform that they have to start over?

I’m glad to hear it honestly provided they stay close to the original game and don’t retroactively Wokeafy it with story retcons or whatever.

The original Last of Us’s graphics are definitely looking dated now.

 

[The Last Stand]

I am not understanding the rundown with Sony's exclusives and The Last of Us I'm hearing.

Are they abandoning other franchises like Days Gone to focus on The Last of Us? Somebody explain or link.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I am not understanding the rundown with Sony's exclusives and The Last of Us I'm hearing.

Are they abandoning other franchises like Days Gone to focus on The Last of Us? Somebody explain or link.

They're making their first party titles their primary draw like Nintendo. Any weak series get cut down and vaulted just like Nintendo.

TLOU gets a remake because it's getting a TV series and having it on PS5 with a new game will sell more systems.

 

[Dom Cruise]

As incredible as it is to think about, TLOU is almost a decade old and looks like it, a remaster ten years later isn't too absurd an idea.

But like I said I hope they don't retcon it to make it Woke and make 2 look better or fuck it up in some other weird way like what they did to Peter Parker's face in Spider-Man, but they probably will, I'm just saying as a basic idea it's sound.

I do think TLOU is a great game and it's message of how when the chips are down life is more about survival than right and wrong and how just because a group says they are the "good guys" doesn't actually make them the good guys is more relevant in now than in 2013.

But that's a message they're probably going to purposely water down now in this wild, Woke world.

What's funny is there's similarities to Bioshock Infinite, also came out in 2013, also about a Troy Baker voiced character protecting a girl from shifting alliance bad guys, I remember seeing a Woke person online back in 2016 or so talk about how dated those "both sides" narratives are now in a world post Trump, lol.

 

[Marissa Moira]

As incredible as it is to think about, TLOU is almost a decade old and looks like it, a remaster ten years later isn't too absurd an idea.

But like I said I hope they don't retcon it to make it Woke and make 2 look better or fuck it up in some other weird way like what they did to Peter Parker's face in Spider-Man, but they probably will, I'm just saying as a basic idea it's sound.

I do think TLOU is a great game and it's message of how when the chips are down life is more about survival than right and wrong and how just because a group says they are the "good guys" doesn't actually make them the good guys is more relevant in now than in 2013.

But that's a message they're probably going to purposely water down now in this wild, Woke world.

What's funny is there's similarities to Bioshock Infinite, also came out in 2013, also about a Troy Baker voiced character protecting a girl from shifting alliance bad guys, I remember seeing a Woke person online back in 2016 or so talk about how dated those "both sides" narratives are now in a world post Trump, lol.

I think at this point we're going to get to take our pick of TLOU1 and 2 continuities. Like how you get to pick between Anime, manga, and Light Novel continuities.

 

[Toolbox]

As incredible as it is to think about, TLOU is almost a decade old and looks like it, a remaster ten years later isn't too absurd an idea.

Ten years this far into the development of games isn't as large as the gap would've been before the late x360/ps3 era. The point of a remaster becomes less and less as you go forward in the console generations.

 

[BananaSplit]

The one thing you can say about the games coming to the PS5 is at least they're of quality.

if you're just buying games because you think them being Japanese makes them superior in some form, holy hell are you wrong.

Maybe the modern game industry shouldn't give me reasons to focus on japanese games for the most part then
The majority of western games I have (and can still play) are still from before 2010-2012, primarily on PC.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I think at this point we're going to get to take our pick of TLOU1 and 2 continuities. Like how you get to pick between Anime, manga, and Light Novel continuities.

Heh, that's a good way to put it.

TLOU1 continuity being where the story was over and that was it, which Naughty Dog more or less said they intended the game to be a standalone story.

The best way to make a sequel would have been to go the "Silent Hill 2" route, new characters, new story, just the same setting.

Ten years this far into the development of games isn't as large as the gap would've been before the late x360/ps3 era. The point of a remaster becomes less and less as you go forward in the console generations.

It's not a HUGE gap, but there is a gap, go back and actually look at the original game, memory can fool you and make you think a game looks better than it really does, that happened to me with Tomb Raider 2013, remembered it looking amazing on PC at the time, replayed it 5 years later in 2018 and was quite surprised at how dated it now looked, the gap between it and it's sequel, Rise of The Tomb Raider, is huge, even though Rise came out just under 3 years later and only 1 generation leap ahead (now granted, I was playing that on PC as well, can't speak about the console versions)

So add up ten years and two generation leaps and we don't know how much better a TLOU1 remake could look, I'm sure it'd be a way bigger gap than you think it would be.

We're in the early days of a gen where no, it's not a huge leap at first, but we don't know the full potential yet, it always gets much better with more time, in fact I'm tired of this "le no big upgrade" meme, launch windows games give you no real indication of how much games are going to actually change with a new gen, why do people not seem to get that?

They said it about the PS4/XBO generation but honestly, if we're including PC, the gap between the 7th and 8th gens is actually bigger than the gap between the 6th and 7th gens in my opinion, in some ways the 7th gen really wasn't a big upgrade and sometimes games looked a little worse than they did during the 6th gen (compare Haze and Timeplsitters 2 and 3 for one example of this, Haze looks like absolute shit, the Timesplitters games are simply more pleasing to the eye, more colorful and sharper looking)

And there's nothing wrong with taking a good game and making it look better, provided you stay faithful and don't stray too far from what it was originally like.

 

[HaterOfAllManKind]

I really had a bad feeling the PS5 was going to be the PS3 part deux, but it's still sad to see it happening.

I worry about the impact it could have on the Japanese gaming scene, but it looks they've moved past Sony anyway and multiplat, Nintendo and PC will pick up the slack, whereas they had basically had all their eggs in one basket when it came to the PS3, so that's good.

I'd argue that the Playstation 5 is more like PS3 part 3. The only reason PS4 is seen as a return to form is the massive headstart that Microsoft gifted them with their early xbone PR blunders.

Sony charging for PS4's online multiplayer went completely ignored because of Microsoft's massive fuck up. Only a few people back then were pointing out that the market and journalists were basically applauding Sony taking a step backward simply because they were less shit.

The PS4 was also completely dry of exclusive content for an ungodly amount if time. This same lack of exclusive content at launch is something we've seen for 3 generations in a row since PS3.

If Microsoft didn't fuck up so badly, people would have scrutinized the paid multiplayer, noticed the lack of exclusives on the PS4 and everybody would have recognized the the Sony and Microsoft platforms were virtually identical much sooner.

Sony has been embracing shittiness with the PlayStation platform for almost 20 years now.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I'd argue that the Playstation 5 is more like PS3 part 3. The only reason PS4 is seen as a return to form is the massive headstart that Microsoft gifted them with their early xbone PR blunders.

Sony charging for PS4's online multiplayer went completely ignored because of Microsoft's massive fuck up. Only a few people back then were pointing out that the market and journalists were basically applauding Sony taking a step backward simply because they were less shit.

The PS4 was also completely dry of exclusive content for an ungodly amount if time. This same lack of exclusive content at launch is something we've seen for 3 generations in a row since PS3.

If Microsoft didn't fuck up so badly, people would have scrutinized the paid multiplayer, noticed the lack of exclusives on the PS4 and everybody would have recognized the the Sony and Microsoft platforms were virtually identical much sooner.

Sony has been embracing shittiness with the PlayStation platform for almost 20 years now.

You're not entirely wrong, I went 4 whole years without touching my PS4 until enough exclusives had built up that I was able to marathon them and even then it only took me less than 6 months to play catch up (not saying I played every single exclusive or even Sony first party exclusive, just the main ones that caught my interest)

PS4 was still better than PS3 I would say, but it was still a shadow of the PS2, the PS2 really was something special but Sony killed that momentum (RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER) and they simply never got and probably never will get it back.

I wonder sometimes what it would have been like had they managed to continue the momentum they had with the PS2 on into the PS3 and beyond, but that's not the timeline I live in.

It's an Icarus flying too close to the sun story at the end of the day, they tried to get weird with the PS3 and it's cell processor and really cause a quantum leap forward, instead they dropped the ball and gave us a console that sometimes gave us graphics uglier than the PS2, it's really kind of fucking amazing because everyone thought prior to 2005 the PS3 was going to be the biggest thing to ever happen to video games, the very name "PlayStation 3" sounded downright mythical in the peak days of the PS2, it was like "can you even fucking imagine?"

That's why some people believed that Killzone 2 "trailer" because we just didn't really know what to expect, given how big the leap from PS1 to PS2 was.

I think Fumito Ueda is a good reflection of the rise and fall of Sony, Ico and Shadow of The Colossus really were some impressive achievements, he then skips the PS3 altogether (which says it all) and finally gives us The Last Guardian on PS4, which while I haven't played it yet, I've heard it's a mixed bag, but hey, it's something, it was nice to have the PS4 bring at least some of the magic back, but then Sony decided to go Woke and well, what can I say? It might be killing PlayStation like the golf club to Joel's head.

But here comes Nintendo to potentially save gaming from western faggotry all over again, first from good old fashioned greed, now from Woke, it's like pottery, it rhymes.

 

[The Last Stand]

Sony charging for PS4's online multiplayer went completely ignored because of Microsoft's massive fuck up. Only a few people back then were pointing out that the market and journalists were basically applauding Sony taking a step backward simply because they were less shit.

That and the PS4 was the dominant console of that generation. It doesn't help that PS3 online was shit. You could argue that their infrastructure improved since incorporating that fee.