Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

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Nostalgiaispeace said:
I don’t know why everyone thinks ari doesn’t agree with anything her family says.
If she really thought her family was so crazy she would leave. She has a boyfriend and could have quarantined with him instead of her family.
I think she believes everything they do but just doesn’t feel the need to have so much social media attention.
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Narc family dynamics are complicated, messy things. Jeanette and Jazz could've guilt tripped her into quarantining with them by saying they're family, need to stick together, her Stunning and Brave sister needs her more than ever, etc etc. Being the black sheep of the family means she's probably had her self esteem and self-preservation instincts (figuratively) beaten out of her from childhood.

That kind of conditioning is tough enough to break already without the Internet praising your LGBTQIA-ally family and your Golden Child sibling for being trans.
 
Honestly, Sanders needs to be the one to move away. He's desperate to be seen and prized as an individual by literally anyone. Even a few hours away would help him immensely. Hopefully he doesn't get taken advantage of if he does though. He's so starved for attention he'd be very easy to manipulate.
 
Honest Coyote said:
Honestly, Sanders needs to be the one to move away. He's desperate to be seen and prized as an individual by literally anyone. Even a few hours away would help him immensely. Hopefully he doesn't get taken advantage of if he does though. He's so starved for attention he'd be very easy to manipulate.
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One has to wonder why is he like this.
 
Cool Dog said:
Troons have ruined kneesocks and thigh highs for me, now I cant see a girl with those without thinking >she might have a dick
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To be fair, if you every see an actual girl wearing those, you should immediately think she's a thot.
 
Orion Balls Deux said:
Yeah, why not? Jazz is not the asshole here, her Mom is. If this phycologically abused, mangled, and depressed young person wishes to be called "her", wtf do I care? Doesn't hurt me.
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Lol there's actually people that use preffered pronouns as some kind of reward for good behavior
 
Freya said:
Lol there's actually people that use preffered pronouns as some kind of reward for good behavior
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I think completely succumbing to the will of a disgusting Munchie mother who would prefer having a "special" daughter to having a possibly gay son, counts as good behaviour. Jazz is mentally ill for many reasons, a lot of them externally applied. I pity her. I've also only ever known her with "she" pronouns, so it's natural to call Jazz a she. People who are predators like Sophie or JY don't get that respect from me. Besides, they're more likely to get really angry and cause me laughter if I misgender them. I'm here to laugh at people who deserve it.
 
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Cynar said:
I'd never call Jazz a "she" bc I feel it supports the delusion both on an individual and social level, but we already had a pronoun sperg thunderdome when Yaniv came on the scene. Iirc I agree with our Drooling Dog Overlord: on KF everybody just uses the pronouns they wanna use for whomever and nobody throws a fit either way and we all get on with our lives
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Nobody is cured of a delusion by being told that what they're experiencing isn't real. Even if it's well-intentioned, you cannot force a person to acknowledge reality. I know the uwu woke types LOVE to claim that they're being "invalidated" when someone disagrees with them or suggests that their behaviors are maladaptive, but it is actually unproductive to invalidate the delusional beliefs of someone in the throes of mental illness.

On the other hand, it's irresponsible and detrimental to the patient to pretend that a delusional belief is real. It's really difficult in this situation to say what the "right" thing to do is.
 
Thomas Eugene Paris said:
Nobody is cured of a delusion by being told that what they're experiencing isn't real. Even if it's well-intentioned, you cannot force a person to acknowledge reality. I know the uwu woke types LOVE to claim that they're being "invalidated" when someone disagrees with them or suggests that their behaviors are maladaptive, but it is actually unproductive to invalidate the delusional beliefs of someone in the throes of mental illness.

On the other hand, it's irresponsible and detrimental to the patient to pretend that a delusional belief is real. It's really difficult in this situation to say what the "right" thing to do is.
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The rare time a pl might be relevant: I have formed my opinion from personal, as in first-hand, experience. That being said, there are decent arguments for both, different genderist headcases suffer different delusions, but it's KF, nobody cares, let's move on, etc.
Now can we please not do this shit again, there's some troon political sperg portion of this site for it elsewhere. Please
 
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Thomas Eugene Paris said:
but it is actually unproductive to invalidate the delusional beliefs of someone in the throes of mental illness.
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You have to invalidate troons at some point. Remember that they demand that people date them. Jazz even did this video which has over 16000 dislikes because most people don't give a fuck about validating the insane. Also it's not others responsibility to make mentally ill fucks feel good. It may be different in a hospital or psych ward and a few other places tho. But normal people outsides of these places should never be forced to submit to the gender cult.
 
Sinner's Sandwich said:
You have to invalidate troons at some point. Remember that they demand that people date them. Jazz even did this video which has over 16000 dislikes because most people don't give a fuck about validating the insane. Also it's not others responsibility to make mentally ill fucks feel good. It may be different in a hospital or psych ward and a few other places tho. But normal people outsides of these places should never be forced to submit to the gender cult.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fhgh0_5ochE
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If your schizo uncle thinks that the CIA sent shadow people to spy on him, maybe screaming at him, "SHADOW PEOPLE AREN'T REAL, YOU LUNATIC!!" is not helpful. But "validating" him ("sure, they're real!") is arguably worse. There are other ways to help insane people.

Anyway, yet again: Some people are here for the laffs and don't give a shit. Every time we all try to decide what pronoun protocol should be, THIS happens.

Can I get a "Jazz is fat and I would not have sex with him/her/xir" please?
 
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Cynar said:
Fuck it. Fine. Here goes.

Imagine your schizo uncle thinks that the CIA sent shadow people to spy on him. Screaming at him, "SHADOW PEOPLE AREN'T REAL, YOU LUNATIC!!" is, indeed, not helpful. But "validating" him ("sure, maybe they are real!") is also terrible, arguably worse.

Recognizing his fear and anguish is a thing you can do. That's all real. But to act like if you don't support Uncle Crazy's delusion then you must be trying to force him out of it in an unhelpful way is an unfair equivalency. Uncle Crazy might get upset if he asks if you believe in shadow people and you say "no." But giving Uncle Crazy outside recognition and support of his delusions seems far more cruel.

Anyway, yet again, what individuals choose to say about the Uncle Crazies on KF is their own choice. Because every time we all try to decide what protocol should be, THIS happens.

Can I get a "Jazz is fat and I would not have sex with him/her/xir" please?
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How about instead you cut your shizo uncle out of your life like you should do with every toxic person? And to come BACK TO TOPIC: This is what his former friends did to Jazz and Jazz should do to Jeanette but sadly that's never going to happen.
 
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Sinner's Sandwich said:
How about instead you cut your shizo uncle out of your life like you should do with every toxic person? And to come BACK TO TOPIC: This is what his formerly friends did to Jazz and Jazz should do to Jeanette but sadly that's never going to happen.
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I was going to ask "Do you think Jazz' friends ditched him for being a delusional troon or just an insufferable dim bulb," but lbr, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Has he ever even really had friends though, or just people begged & hired by the production company like they had to do for Bruce Jenner's show? I've read the whole thread but can't remember if he ever seemed to have actual friends and not just rent-a-pals.
 
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Cynar said:
Fuck it. Fine. Here goes.

If your schizo uncle thinks that the CIA sent shadow people to spy on him, maybe screaming at him, "SHADOW PEOPLE AREN'T REAL, YOU LUNATIC!!" is not helpful. But "validating" him ("sure, they're real!") is arguably worse.

When Uncle Crazy asks if you believe in shadow people and you say "no," he might get upset. But giving Uncle Crazy outside recognition and support of his delusions seems far more cruel. There are other ways to help insane people.

Anyway, yet again: Some people are here for the laffs and don't give a shit. Every time we all try to decide what pronoun protocol should be, THIS happens.

Can I get a "Jazz is fat and I would not have sex with him/her/xir" please?
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Jazz is fat and I would not have sex with it.
 
Cynar said:
Fuck it. Fine. Here goes.

If your schizo uncle thinks that the CIA sent shadow people to spy on him, maybe screaming at him, "SHADOW PEOPLE AREN'T REAL, YOU LUNATIC!!" is not helpful. But "validating" him ("sure, they're real!") is arguably worse.

When Uncle Crazy asks if you believe in shadow people and you say "no," he might get upset. But giving Uncle Crazy outside recognition and support of his delusions seems far more cruel. There are other ways to help insane people.

Anyway, yet again: Some people are here for the laffs and don't give a shit. Every time we all try to decide what pronoun protocol should be, THIS happens.

Can I get a "Jazz is fat and I would not have sex with him/her/xir" please?
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Jazz is fat, and no one will EVER have sex with him/her/xir, because it's probably physically impossible without causing severe damage.
 
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