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She seems to be another feminine but autistic anime-obsessed girl who's fallen down the rabbit hole. Can't explain herself to her poor mother nor can she even explain her self to herself:
Man, some days I come to this thread to have a laugh at delusional troonsbians and fujos but... These types of girls really break my heart.

I used to be this girl when I was a teenager. Hated girly shit. Hated showing my body. Massive dyke. Had a very similar argument with my mother about wearing trunks instead of bikini bottoms. Had and still have the 'tism so female social norms/expectations made no sense to me. Heavily relied on the internet for social interactions because again, 'tism. Luckily troon/nb didn't start getting popular until I was already out of that vulnerable place. Surprise surprise, I grew up to be a normal lesbian who likes practical clothes! No tit-chop or franken-dick required!
 
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It's the trans community that tells kids to lie to their therapists. It's the trans community that tells people that if they are even thinking they might be trans, then they're trans. It's the trans community that tells people that if they don't go on hormones, they'll be miserable until they do.

I highly doubt anyone would lie to a therapist about wanting her boobs off and then keep the lie going until after surgery. That's excessive, even for mental illness.
 
It's the trans community that tells kids to lie to their therapists. It's the trans community that tells people that if they are even thinking they might be trans, then they're trans. It's the trans community that tells people that if they don't go on hormones, they'll be miserable until they do.

I highly doubt anyone would lie to a therapist about wanting her boobs off and then keep the lie going until after surgery. That's excessive, even for mental illness.
That's what happen when you don't think for yourself, don't be surprised that you're being played and you end up on the 41% statistic.
 
That's what happen when you don't think for yourself, don't be surprised that you're being played and you end up on the 41% statistic.
I don't think children should be expected to "think for themselves".

I have zero sympathy to the midlife crisis trooners, but holy shit the child grooming then turning around and victim blaming the child is atrocious.
 
I have to say the mom sounds really weird and I wouldn't be surprised if the dysphoria was stemming from that strained relationship. Pressuring your (possibly underage?) daughter to show off their body at the pool when they're not comfortable with doing so is honestly kind of creepy. If you're already uncomfortable with showing off your body and your mother is associating womanhood with exactly that, well... you probably would start to feel like you're not a woman.
This honestly depends on many aspects that are impossible to say from an internet post, especially one that is from very biased source. Tone, what exactly the clothes were, general relationship, what was going on in life and so on. Encouraging a teen to showing off body can be creepy but it can also be positive tool to learn love yourself. Most teenagers feel awkward and ugly in some point of their puberty and this insecurity can spill well beyond looks and negatively affect social life and general confidence. I know many girls that were helped by a relative or a friend that got them dress nice and with their body. Even gorgeous people can look bad in wrong clothes and most people aren't naturally that impressive. Looking nice is a skill and when you learn it, it can be really helpful and useful because it's part of nonverbal communication.
 
So I was looking at one of ContraPoints' tweets yesterday, and saw this reply from someone who's apparently a lesbian.
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But immediately I asked myself, "Hm, is this an actual woman or just a male fetishist? Given that this is in reply to one of the most popular trans influencers, the likelihood of it being a male fetishist is pretty high."

So I bothered to check and lo and behold...

Trans? Check.
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Overbearing lesbian fetish? Check.
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(the picture)
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AGP? Check.
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Just the fact that you find these people so easily in "LGBT-positive spaces" nowadays proves that we have a massive fucking problem. If you're someone reading/lurking this thread who feels like people are exaggerating how bad the trans movement is, trust me, I used to think that too. But like I said, these people are everywhere. Everywhere. They're not hard to find at all. So feel free to come to the darkness anytime you like, my child. It's not at all unwarranted in this day and age.
 
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It’s all coming together goyim, soon they will be killing each other with the same scissors they used to cut the rest of their dicks off.
 
re: that "lesbian" in contra's replies...
i wrote a fucking essay, forgive me.

it's maddeningly easy to tell the difference between a trans lesbian and a real one even with no pfp or images if you are a woman, are a lesbian, or have grew up around and befriended women and lesbians on a deeper than surface level.

on the whole, lesbians hardly think about or talk about their lesbian identity unless they are at an actual lgbt event or with other gay women, basically any time it is relevant. sometimes out of shame or a long process of acceptance, sometimes because they have hundreds of better things to do. unlike male nerds, most lesbians are not online 8 hours a day, unless they are sixteen or maladjusted (and that's the age where you will likely see the most real ones). it's not a lie that they do art and sports and hiking and gardening and a number of other things, and typically have a job and a girlfriend depending on age. they have many hobbies outside of their lesbianism. very few are into anime, programming, or porn.

which brings me to my next point. usually, all males pretending to be lesbians know, and typically who they end up dating, is other males pretending to be lesbians. the reason for this is that they are typically incredibly socially awkward, don't pass, are selfish, and don't even like women as people. but to further explain it, and this is something most people don't get... lesbian doesn't mean you are a girly girl and you talk about how much you love girls. lesbian isn't solely about being a homosexual woman. it's typically about being socially conscious, mature, and no nonsense, protecting and providing for other women first and foremost. it's about rebuking femininity to please the male gaze and reclaiming it at various degrees of intensity to please other women. so that typically means not watching porn, because most lesbians see it as centering male violence and fantasies. that's kind of their thing, not doing things men can sexualize.

lesbianism isn't about sleepovers and pink. almost all lesbians are gender non conforming in some way. males pretending to be lesbians literally are only focused on appearance, stereotypes of women that are offensive to lesbians and that they want to more or less get away from, and talk about nothing but being a "cute girl", a lesbian, infantile bullshit, things they've seen in porn, how much they like feminine women presented through the male gaze, celebrating models and celebrities and women who have had work done instead of the reality of women...

so tl;dr here are the warning signs of a "stealth" transbian or one with no pictures.

1. obsessed with themselves, their appearance, sex/fetishes, repeating that they're gay.
(flip side: they fucking hate ugly or butch women and "prudish"/vanilla women)
2. no hobbies outside of anime and other tv, video games, and computer touching.
3. zero interest in any women's rights issues beyond corporate feminism/lgbt.
(you will NEVER hear these fuckers talk about how women are treated in other countries
or how they are oppressed based on their biological reality, just microaggressions.)
4. transbians circlejerking in their replies. there's never just one by themselves.
5. femoid memes: cottagecore, goth gf, useless lesbian, pfp is the lesbian flag, etc.
6. importantly, they are always jealous of and resentful of real women and lesbians.
7. infantilism/youth obsession. desperately trying to please. cutesy talk.
the hallmark of a real lesbian is typically maturity and independence.
8. lesbians have empathy for others in public (no "it's ma'am" shit at all).
they are also typically monogamous and don't tend to break up families.
9. many real lesbians do like some girly or fun things like sanrio, switch games, etc.
but unless they're autistic it doesn't completely take over their lives.

sorry for the book, i hope it can be mildly useful.
 
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re: that "lesbian" in contra's replies...
i wrote a fucking essay, forgive me.

it's maddeningly easy to tell the difference between a trans lesbian and a real one even with no pfp or images if you are a woman, are a lesbian, or have grew up around and befriended women and lesbians on a deeper than surface level.

on the whole, lesbians hardly think about or talk about their lesbian identity unless they are at an actual lgbt event or with other gay women, basically any time it is relevant, sometimes out of shame or a long process of acceptance, sometimes because they have hundreds of better things to do. unlike male nerds, most lesbians are not online 8 hours a day, unless they are sixteen or maladjusted (and that's the age where you will likely see the most real ones). it's not a lie that they do art and sports and hiking and gardening and a number of other things, and typically have a job and a girlfriend depending on age. they have many hobbies outside of their lesbianism. very few are into anime, programming, or porn.

which brings me to my next point. usually, all males pretending to be lesbians know, and typically who they end up dating, is other males pretending to be lesbians. the reason for this is that they are typically incredibly socially awkward, don't pass, are selfish, and don't even like women as people. but to further explain it, and this is something most people don't get... lesbian doesn't mean you are a girly girl and you talk about how much you love girls. lesbian isn't solely about being a homosexual woman. it's typically about being socially conscious, mature, and no nonsense, protecting and providing for other women first and foremost. it's about rebuking femininity to please the male gaze and reclaiming it at various degrees of intensity to please other women. so that typically means not watching porn, because most lesbians see it as centering male violence and fantasies. that's kind of their thing, not doing things men can sexualize.

lesbianism isn't about sleepovers and pink and almost all lesbians are gender non conforming in some way. males pretending to be lesbians literally are only focused on appearance, stereotypes of women that are offensive to lesbians and that they want to more or less get away from, and talk about nothing but being a "cute girl", a lesbian, infantile bullshit, things they've seen in porn, how much they like feminine women presented through the male gaze, celebrating models and celebrities and women who have had work done instead of the reality of women...

so tl;dr here are the warning signs of a "stealth" transbian or one with no pictures.

1. obsessed with themselves, their appearance, and sex / fetishes. (the flip side of this: they fucking hate ugly or butch women and prudes/vanillas)
2. no hobbies outside of anime and other tv, video games, and computer touching.
3. zero interest in any women's rights issues beyond corporate feminism / corporate lgbt rights (you will NEVER hear these fuckers talk about how women are treated in other countries or how they are oppressed based on their biological reality, just microaggressions.)
4. other transbians circlejerking in their replies.
5. into surface level popular memes they think make them girly like cottagecore, goth gf, useless lesbian, pfp is nothing but the lesbian flag, etc.
6. last but not least they are always jealous of and resentful of real women and real lesbians.
7. infantilism and desperately trying to please. the hallmark of a lesbian is typically maturity and independence.

sorry for the book, i hope it can be mildly useful.
to me the #1 giveaway for trans "lesbians" is how shamelessly sex obsessed they are.
to be fair, i generally dont hang around lesbians so im not 100% sure about this, but so far i have never seen one constantly bring up how awesome tits are, how great pussy tastes, and how strap ons are the best thing ever, etc. only trans "lesbians" seem to do that.
 
This honestly depends on many aspects that are impossible to say from an internet post, especially one that is from very biased source. Tone, what exactly the clothes were, general relationship, what was going on in life and so on. Encouraging a teen to showing off body can be creepy but it can also be positive tool to learn love yourself. Most teenagers feel awkward and ugly in some point of their puberty and this insecurity can spill well beyond looks and negatively affect social life and general confidence. I know many girls that were helped by a relative or a friend that got them dress nice and with their body. Even gorgeous people can look bad in wrong clothes and most people aren't naturally that impressive. Looking nice is a skill and when you learn it, it can be really helpful and useful because it's part of nonverbal communication.
OP claims her mom said, "Why would you hide your perfect woman body?" No way in hell that's true. Mom probably said something like, "Swim trunks?! But that purple bikini we bought you at the mall last year looks so nice on you, why don't you wear that one?"
 
yes, DD42.
lesbians understand that exhibitionism, and talking about sex/fetishes in public, is usually sexual harrassment.
(sometimes it's just banter, but for transbians it's almost always to get off to ppl's discomfort or something.)
women and lesbians typically do not like that kind of sexual harrassment. who would have fucking thought.
 
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