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Supporters of President Donald Trump attend a pro-Trump march on Nov. 14 in Washington. | Jacquelyn Martin/AP Photo
MAGA figureheads and pro-Trump activists are vowing to excommunicate Republicans who vigorously oppose the doomed effort to keep President Donald Trump in power.
The threats have played out in recent days with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who was once seen as a possible ally in Trump’s efforts to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s win in the swing state. But Raffensperger has consistently refused to validate Trump’s baseless voter fraud claims, and on Saturday, he bluntly told the president the rigged-election theories were simply wrong. After a recording of the Saturday call leaked to the press, the MAGA world erupted with incandescent range.
“A national security threat,” proclaimed Charlie Kirk, MAGA youth leader and Turning Point USA co-founder. “Brad Raffensperger should immediately be investigated.”
In the coming days, that MAGA revenge complex could target everyone from low-level members of Congress to Vice President Mike Pence, as Congress meets on Jan. 6 to formally certify Biden’s victory. “Republicans,” Trump warned on Twitter, “NEVER FORGET!” speaking to lawmakers who have said they will not oppose Biden’s certification. And Trump allies are plotting to fund potential pro-MAGA primary challengers to oust those disloyal Republicans.
“We’ll put some money behind” trying to oust these Republicans, said Alex Bruesewitz, one of the organizers of Stop the Steal, an organization linked to high-profile MAGA personalities that is helping organize a major Jan. 6 pro-Trump rally in Washington.
The swift move to vengeance offers a preview of how Trump and his MAGA community plan to reshape the GOP in the coming months — creating Trump loyalty tests for Republicans, then working to evict anyone who doesn’t fall in line. The goal is to identify those who are most worthy of inheriting the MAGA base with Trump out of office. But the result may be that no one except Trump can rally the MAGA coalition.
“I think that Trump and his supporters in the base, or his supporters in the Republican Party, are going to continue to be a big part of the party for the foreseeable future, including in 2022,” said Alex Conant, a GOP political consultant and the former communications director for Sen. Marco Rubio’s 2016 presidential campaign. “Most congressmen don't wake up in the morning worried about their general election. They worry about their primary.”
At the moment, Trump is focused on eviscerating Raffensperger, who has rebuffed Trump’s attempts to subvert the Georgia election results — and so, too, is his base.
While Trump’s allies launched a normal fusillade of personal attacks against Raffensperger — former House Speaker and Trump ally Newt Gingrich called him “anti-Republican” — they also called for criminal charges. Some suggested it had been illegal for the call to be recorded, even though Georgia law only requires one party in a conversation to consent to an audio recording. Others went further.
“Traitors in our midst,” tweeted Chanel Rion, White House correspondent at the pro-Trump outlet OAN, along with the hashtag “#InvestigateRaffensperger.”
Next, MAGA attention will focus on Capitol Hill, where Congress will meet on Jan. 6 in a joint session to formally certify November’s presidential election. Pence will oversee the proceedings as vice president. Historically, the gathering is an afterthought, a noncontroversial rubber stamp on an already settled outcome.
But in the Trump era, the president, scores of Republicans and throngs of his supporters are insisting that lawmakers should refuse to sign off on the results, incorrectly arguing that the election was rigged.
Trump-supporting entities are trying to concoct novel constitutional powers that Pence could wield at the last minute from his largely ministerial perch, which mostly involves opening the envelopes with each state’s Electoral College votes, and then handing them to a secretary for recording. Alexander Macris, a video game writer who became known for his role in Gamergate, the online harassment campaign targeting women, suggested in a viral essay that Pence could re-interpret the 1877 Electoral Count Act in a way that would allow him to simply not count the votes.
Edward Foley, the director of the Election Law Project at Ohio State University, flatly rejected the interpretation.
“I mean, it was raised in the 19th century, but it’s never been accepted in the sense that the Supreme Court's never adopted it. It's never even prevailed at Congress,” he said.
That hasn’t stopped pro-Trump outlets like The Gateway Pundit from making tantalizing offers directed at Pence.“Pence can place himself in the history books alongside Thomas Jefferson or he can sign off on the destruction of the United States as we know it,” read an op-ed on the site.
Others have traded carrots for sticks: Prominent conspiratorial-minded figures, such as pro-Trump Georgia lawyer Lin Wood, claimed that Pence could be arrested, tried for treason and executed by firing squad if he did not act on Trump’s behalf. And out in the wilds of the QAnon conspiracy community, the process might not even matter: Pence, some argued, might be a body double, put in place by a Satanic cabal to further its plots.
Lawmakers in Congress, meanwhile, have different concerns on their hands: Many will soon seek reelection. And for a certain brand of politician, going MAGA is the safest bet.
“Most of these people that won during the [2020] primaries, they said, ‘I'm the most like Trump.’ And that's why most of them won their primaries,” said Breusewitz, the Stop the Steal organizer. “And so if they go back, the voters will hold them accountable.”
Perhaps conscious of this, several newly-minted representatives have vowed to keep resisting even after Biden is sworn in. Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) pledged to push for a commission to investigate the election. Others are planning to be among those protesting in Washington, D.C. on Jan. 6. Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert, who both gained notoriety for promoting QAnon conspiracies earlier in their political careers, are scheduled to speak at the rally.
As for those who don’t sufficiently fight against Biden’s inauguration, Bruesewitz has promised they will be punished.
“When we say every Republican that does not stand strong with the president will get a primary challenger, that does not mean we believe that we can beat every single one of them,” he said. “But what it means is we will make them spend their money. And we will urge their donors to not support them.”
Even with at least 140 House Republicans and 12 Senate Republicans vowing to oppose certification on Wednesday, Congress will still sign off on Biden’s win. Only a simple congressional majority is needed to formalize the results, which is all but guaranteed given the current makeup of Congress. And Pence himself has remained chilly on the topic, with a spokesperson saying that while the vice president backed the lawmaker’s right to object, it was up to them to actually prove fraud.
For the majority of Republicans, Conant argued, “This effort to undermine the integrity of the election will only help Joe Biden. And I say that because it'll leave Biden's opposition in Congress divided and many Republicans defending a very unpopular position.”
Still, for the right type of Republican, a vast MAGA empire is within reach: Trump’s fundraising numbers skyrocketed after the election, as his campaign solicited donations to fight nebulous voter-fraud allegations. Tapping into that energy could give the most fervent MAGA Republicans a boost in the coming years.
But, as Conant noted, that only works if Trump stays involved in Republican races around the country — far from a certainty once he leaves the White House.
“I suppose if Trump made his life mission to defeat everyone that wasn't loyal with him until the very end, maybe it could have an impact,” Conant said. “Just count me skeptical that he's going to spend the next two years playing in Republican primary politics, when he never showed that much of an interest in doing that when he was president.”
Still, Breusewitz, the Stop the Steal organizer, argued Republican voters are now solidly aligned with Trump.
“Republican voters want to see the party grow in a direction towards the president’s, and continue with the ‘America First’ and the MAGA movement,” he said.
 
Good so far. Having experience in some industry regulatory body would be good as well. Managing timber or oil or energy. Something like that.

Reel back the immigration thing. Be strong against illegal immigration but in favor of a legal path, something like what GWB proposed back in the early 00's. Reduce the size of the problem so that resources stand a chance at addressing it. ICE couldn't deport however many million illegals there are if they wanted to. It's time to focus on the problem children and let the rest who aren't bothering anyone skate with some kind of migrant visa.

Don't care.

"Credits" for money they didn't earn because they shit out a kid. Pass. Just cut taxes on the bottom brackets.

Meaningful tort and regulatory reform needs to happen. Businesses are nickel and dimed to death. Products cannot compete on the world market. That is the root of the job exporting issue. Their choice is either relocating to where they can turn a profit or going out of business. We even see that within the US as industries move from their historic factories to places like Tennessee and South Carolina because the regulatory environment is much better.

My real wish is for a candidate to go after the rent-seeking activist groups. The ones who are digging themselves even deeper into US industry and public institutions and making them unviable. It's an epidemic. Look at the woke goofballs at Google if you want an example. They are remoras that suck the life out of anything they can get ahold of. The rot is spreading and it will not stop unless someone unites people to put an end to it. Put pressure on the Feds to RICO them or something.

- I don't think offering some form of amnesty will be a very popular sell, for good reason. The Wall was a dumb, overly expensive project, but Trump did some great things when it came to preventing abuse of the asylum system. I know it's infeasible and cruel to deport all of the illegals presently here, but we need someone who isn't afraid to dissuade the caravans and end asylum abuse. Offers of amnesty will only incentivize more illegal immigration, and we don't want that; we could surely make it less onerous to pursue citizenship legally, but I think we should be more picky with who we allow in.

- How can you not care about weed decriminalization? The drug war is a tremendous waste of resources and probably the foremost impingement on civil liberties -- it needs to end as soon as possible, and federal weed decriminalization is at least a step in the right direction. It's also incredibly popular, so it's beyond stupid to cede the issue to the Dems.

- I agree with your stances on taxes and regulation.

- Neoconservatism deserves to die. The American public is tired of war and world-policing. I'd prefer it if we could actually have a candidate that took on the MIC, but that's unlikely to happen. At least we can have someone who isn't intent on pursuing endless wars for Israel. We should scale back our foreign entanglements and focus on building domestic prosperity; the American taxpayer shouldn't be sending $700 million dollars to fucking Sudan during an economic crisis at home.
 
If they go the way of the do-do bird, could we said nothing of value was lost?

Damn skippy we could say that, and it would be 100% correct.

These are the same fucks who got us into the forever wars in the 00s, produced John McCain and Mittens Romney, and are currently licking the boots of Joe Biden and Kameltoe despite all the shit the Left has been pulling since 2015.
 
Damn skippy we could say that, and it would be 100% correct.

These are the same fucks who got us into the forever wars in the 00s, produced John McCain and Mittens Romney, and are currently licking the boots of Joe Biden and Kameltoe despite all the shit the Left has been pulling since 2015.
Add George H.W. Bush and his son George W. to the list since they're born there and if New England do one day secession, I said "go for it".
 
You haven't met a lot of Northern WASP Republicans then.
I avoid the coasts, north or south, so that's the extent of my knowledge.
It's more Tea Party nuttery than Obama free-pony platitudes. If you go back farther it's Ross Perot. But these things never last. Republican establishment has always been like a stern father. Kind of an ass. A bit boring and wooden. Makes some mistakes sometimes. But overall tolerable because they generally advocate for practical things. Jordan Peterson, essentially.
Forever War and selling out Americans to foreigners have never been the behavior of a "stern father" which has been the state of the party since the 1990's and I do not consider such policies to be practical in any way. They are not fiscally sound, morally right, or feasible to ensure the continued success of this country.
Sure, fine, people were amped for Trump. But they weren't exactly the R base. Nor did his deal carry enough momentum to win him a second term. I guarantee you the party leadership noticed that. They are going to steer things back into picking apart D policy for being too reckless and being the same plain old boring dumbasses we always knew them as.
You were asking about the uniparty, where it came from, and this is it right here. Controlled opposition that let Clinton run wild, threw the Constitution out the window after 9/11, and licked Obama's ass for eight years while complaining that it didn't taste like cinnamon. People were tired of that and they voted Trump, but Trump fumbled and did not deliver as promised.
 
You were asking about the uniparty, where it came from, and this is it right here. Controlled opposition that let Clinton run wild, threw the Constitution out the window after 9/11, and licked Obama's ass for eight years while complaining that it didn't taste like cinnamon. People were tired of that and they voted Trump, but Trump fumbled and did not deliver as promised.

Yeah, but how much of that failure to launch came from opposition within his own party during the two years the nutless, spineless, worthless GOP controlled congress? How many weasels like Jeff Flake, John McCain, and Mittens Romney (and let's not forget the worthless bitches Murkowski, Graham, and Collins) were in there fighting tooth and nail alongside their Democrat 'colleagues' to obstruct, delay, and derail everything Trump wanted to do?
 
lol What decade are you living in, exactly, and just how much experience with illegals do you have?

Yes, they are. The payroll processing companies make biannual or quarterly reports flagging bogus SSNs and then nothing happens to either the illegal or the place employing them. Every February, the illegals who work for such places get their W2s. God knows if they bother filing returns, but the W2s are generated.

Does this ‘cash economy’ still exist? Oh I’m very certain it does, but the days of illegals exclusively getting picked up in a Home Depot parking lot for an under-the-table day job are long past.

“Just cut bait and issue them visas and tax IDs so that the companies don't have to use the cash workaround. Incentivize compliance.”

Or we could incentive compliance to existing law on the part of companies breaking it by nailing some of them to the wall. Sure, the domestic construction industry in most states would implode as the ratio of beaners to legals on construction sites inverted, but then maybe houses would stop being built shitty and the home builders wouldn’t be able to rake in massive profits while charging an arm and a leg for substandard work.
immense reeeeeing in Boston when all the Irish illegals get thrown out too (legit, a guy bragged on Irish TV about being there illegally and then was shocked when he got deported).

I’m so tired of the ‘but Americans won’t do those jobs!’

Also, crack down on H1B visas immediately.
 
Yeah, but how much of that failure to launch came from opposition within his own party during the two years the nutless, spineless, worthless GOP controlled congress? How many weasels like Jeff Flake, John McCain, and Mittens Romney (and let's not forget the worthless bitches Murkowski, Graham, and Collins) were in there fighting tooth and nail alongside their Democrat 'colleagues' to obstruct, delay, and derail everything Trump wanted to do?
Paul Ryan declared Trump's agenda DoA and Cocaine Mitch used senate rules to keep from ever officially going on recess so Trump couldn't make recess appointments and get actual people that he wanted in position. He had to pick establishment picks, they wouldn't let him have anything else. I dislike Dems, but just about every GOP establishment type is just as bad.

It's like this, Dems will steer the ship of state directly at an iceberg, the Republicans will zig-zag a bit before slamming head on into it. The Establishment has a vision for America and they will not be stopped from smashing America directly into it. Even if they have to burn everything down to do it. Our Political Elites are fucking short-sighted idiots, but most sociopaths are.
 
Or we could incentive compliance to existing law on the part of companies breaking it by nailing some of them to the wall. Sure, the domestic construction industry in most states would implode as the ratio of beaners to legals on construction sites inverted, but then maybe houses would stop being built shitty and the home builders wouldn’t be able to rake in massive profits while charging an arm and a leg for substandard work.
The problem there is that Americans are part of the cash system too. Illegals aren't the only ones not wanting Uncle Sam knowing how much they are earning. Maybe they are dodging child support. Maybe they are getting unemployment. Maybe they are collecting disability and want to earn under the table. I dunno. What I do know is that I need to have cash in hand if I wanna have anyone show up to work on my crew. I gave up giving out labor receipts years ago because they were all bullshit so I just count it as income in case the IRS comes snooping. I can't force people to tell the truth. I have no way of knowing their tax details and I don't have the resources or time to track them all down. There is no system to do such things. Even if there was the entire labor pool, foreign and domestic, would avoid it for the above reasons.

Welcome to the gig economy. It's a huge part of getting shit done. I hope you enjoy your stay.
 
The problem there is that Americans are part of the cash system too. Illegals aren't the only ones not wanting Uncle Sam knowing how much they are earning. Maybe they are dodging child support. Maybe they are getting unemployment. Maybe they are collecting disability and want to earn under the table. I dunno. What I do know is that I need to have cash in hand if I wanna have anyone show up to work on my crew. I gave up giving out labor receipts years ago because they were all bullshit so I just count it as income in case the IRS comes snooping. I can't force people to tell the truth. I have no way of knowing their tax details and I don't have the resources or time to track them all down. There is no system to do such things. Even if there was the entire labor pool, foreign and domestic, would avoid it for the above reasons.

Welcome to the gig economy. It's a huge part of getting shit done. I hope you enjoy your stay.
Yeah, I got paid in cash by nuns for four months. Everyone does this.

I don’t know, there has to be SOME better way to stop immigration. But the issue is those Republican donors like cheap labor.
 
Yeah, I got paid in cash by nuns for four months. Everyone does this.

I don’t know, there has to be SOME better way to stop immigration. But the issue is those Republican donors like cheap labor.
American businesses love cheap labor. If anything is the original sin in America it's this. It's not that there's anything wrong in looking to reduce costs, but American business are willing to throw everything and everyone else over it. Just look at indentured servitude and slavery. I'm sure the South could have gotten poor whites to pick and process cotton, but only if they were paid a decent wage for it.
 
Yeah, I got paid in cash by nuns for four months. Everyone does this.

I don’t know, there has to be SOME better way to stop immigration. But the issue is those Republican donors like cheap labor.
The labor isn't actually very cheap. Like I said, it's all gig labor that demands cash. They don't want it changed because they benefit from working under the table too. The cheap guys are the dipshits you get out of the temp agencies and they are fully legal. The ones that are any good quit and work for cash and keep all the money for themselves. Tax free. Employers pay it all as earnings.

Solutions of cleaning up the gig labor market need to start with cleaning up tax reporting. Beginning by making the problem a solvable size. The GWB-era had a pretty good immigration plans in the mid-00's that involved issuing visas to get that labor out in the open along with a bunch of funding for enforcement to begin cleaning up the mess. But that all stalled out and died because of GOP intransigence.

Since then dems have basically said "fuck it" and went full open borders "no one is illegal". They did so because they are winning by doing nothing and the amount of illegals in the country have doubled with no end in sight. They have no reason to meet Reps halfway anymore. They have fully constructed their workarounds and fixing things is no longer in their interest.

In hindsight not taking them up on the proposals back then was a huge mistake. But even proposing something similar to try to right the ship today gets you branded some kind of party traitor now. As if ICE, the IRS, or whoever could actually implement some effective policy unilaterally at this point. Like it's even viable.
 
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