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Supporters of President Donald Trump attend a pro-Trump march on Nov. 14 in Washington. | Jacquelyn Martin/AP Photo
MAGA figureheads and pro-Trump activists are vowing to excommunicate Republicans who vigorously oppose the doomed effort to keep President Donald Trump in power.
The threats have played out in recent days with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who was once seen as a possible ally in Trump’s efforts to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s win in the swing state. But Raffensperger has consistently refused to validate Trump’s baseless voter fraud claims, and on Saturday, he bluntly told the president the rigged-election theories were simply wrong. After a recording of the Saturday call leaked to the press, the MAGA world erupted with incandescent range.
“A national security threat,” proclaimed Charlie Kirk, MAGA youth leader and Turning Point USA co-founder. “Brad Raffensperger should immediately be investigated.”
In the coming days, that MAGA revenge complex could target everyone from low-level members of Congress to Vice President Mike Pence, as Congress meets on Jan. 6 to formally certify Biden’s victory. “Republicans,” Trump warned on Twitter, “NEVER FORGET!” speaking to lawmakers who have said they will not oppose Biden’s certification. And Trump allies are plotting to fund potential pro-MAGA primary challengers to oust those disloyal Republicans.
“We’ll put some money behind” trying to oust these Republicans, said Alex Bruesewitz, one of the organizers of Stop the Steal, an organization linked to high-profile MAGA personalities that is helping organize a major Jan. 6 pro-Trump rally in Washington.
The swift move to vengeance offers a preview of how Trump and his MAGA community plan to reshape the GOP in the coming months — creating Trump loyalty tests for Republicans, then working to evict anyone who doesn’t fall in line. The goal is to identify those who are most worthy of inheriting the MAGA base with Trump out of office. But the result may be that no one except Trump can rally the MAGA coalition.
“I think that Trump and his supporters in the base, or his supporters in the Republican Party, are going to continue to be a big part of the party for the foreseeable future, including in 2022,” said Alex Conant, a GOP political consultant and the former communications director for Sen. Marco Rubio’s 2016 presidential campaign. “Most congressmen don't wake up in the morning worried about their general election. They worry about their primary.”
At the moment, Trump is focused on eviscerating Raffensperger, who has rebuffed Trump’s attempts to subvert the Georgia election results — and so, too, is his base.
While Trump’s allies launched a normal fusillade of personal attacks against Raffensperger — former House Speaker and Trump ally Newt Gingrich called him “anti-Republican” — they also called for criminal charges. Some suggested it had been illegal for the call to be recorded, even though Georgia law only requires one party in a conversation to consent to an audio recording. Others went further.
“Traitors in our midst,” tweeted Chanel Rion, White House correspondent at the pro-Trump outlet OAN, along with the hashtag “#InvestigateRaffensperger.”
Next, MAGA attention will focus on Capitol Hill, where Congress will meet on Jan. 6 in a joint session to formally certify November’s presidential election. Pence will oversee the proceedings as vice president. Historically, the gathering is an afterthought, a noncontroversial rubber stamp on an already settled outcome.
But in the Trump era, the president, scores of Republicans and throngs of his supporters are insisting that lawmakers should refuse to sign off on the results, incorrectly arguing that the election was rigged.
Trump-supporting entities are trying to concoct novel constitutional powers that Pence could wield at the last minute from his largely ministerial perch, which mostly involves opening the envelopes with each state’s Electoral College votes, and then handing them to a secretary for recording. Alexander Macris, a video game writer who became known for his role in Gamergate, the online harassment campaign targeting women, suggested in a viral essay that Pence could re-interpret the 1877 Electoral Count Act in a way that would allow him to simply not count the votes.
Edward Foley, the director of the Election Law Project at Ohio State University, flatly rejected the interpretation.
“I mean, it was raised in the 19th century, but it’s never been accepted in the sense that the Supreme Court's never adopted it. It's never even prevailed at Congress,” he said.
That hasn’t stopped pro-Trump outlets like The Gateway Pundit from making tantalizing offers directed at Pence.“Pence can place himself in the history books alongside Thomas Jefferson or he can sign off on the destruction of the United States as we know it,” read an op-ed on the site.
Others have traded carrots for sticks: Prominent conspiratorial-minded figures, such as pro-Trump Georgia lawyer Lin Wood, claimed that Pence could be arrested, tried for treason and executed by firing squad if he did not act on Trump’s behalf. And out in the wilds of the QAnon conspiracy community, the process might not even matter: Pence, some argued, might be a body double, put in place by a Satanic cabal to further its plots.
Lawmakers in Congress, meanwhile, have different concerns on their hands: Many will soon seek reelection. And for a certain brand of politician, going MAGA is the safest bet.
“Most of these people that won during the [2020] primaries, they said, ‘I'm the most like Trump.’ And that's why most of them won their primaries,” said Breusewitz, the Stop the Steal organizer. “And so if they go back, the voters will hold them accountable.”
Perhaps conscious of this, several newly-minted representatives have vowed to keep resisting even after Biden is sworn in. Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) pledged to push for a commission to investigate the election. Others are planning to be among those protesting in Washington, D.C. on Jan. 6. Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert, who both gained notoriety for promoting QAnon conspiracies earlier in their political careers, are scheduled to speak at the rally.
As for those who don’t sufficiently fight against Biden’s inauguration, Bruesewitz has promised they will be punished.
“When we say every Republican that does not stand strong with the president will get a primary challenger, that does not mean we believe that we can beat every single one of them,” he said. “But what it means is we will make them spend their money. And we will urge their donors to not support them.”
Even with at least 140 House Republicans and 12 Senate Republicans vowing to oppose certification on Wednesday, Congress will still sign off on Biden’s win. Only a simple congressional majority is needed to formalize the results, which is all but guaranteed given the current makeup of Congress. And Pence himself has remained chilly on the topic, with a spokesperson saying that while the vice president backed the lawmaker’s right to object, it was up to them to actually prove fraud.
For the majority of Republicans, Conant argued, “This effort to undermine the integrity of the election will only help Joe Biden. And I say that because it'll leave Biden's opposition in Congress divided and many Republicans defending a very unpopular position.”
Still, for the right type of Republican, a vast MAGA empire is within reach: Trump’s fundraising numbers skyrocketed after the election, as his campaign solicited donations to fight nebulous voter-fraud allegations. Tapping into that energy could give the most fervent MAGA Republicans a boost in the coming years.
But, as Conant noted, that only works if Trump stays involved in Republican races around the country — far from a certainty once he leaves the White House.
“I suppose if Trump made his life mission to defeat everyone that wasn't loyal with him until the very end, maybe it could have an impact,” Conant said. “Just count me skeptical that he's going to spend the next two years playing in Republican primary politics, when he never showed that much of an interest in doing that when he was president.”
Still, Breusewitz, the Stop the Steal organizer, argued Republican voters are now solidly aligned with Trump.
“Republican voters want to see the party grow in a direction towards the president’s, and continue with the ‘America First’ and the MAGA movement,” he said.
 
What the GOP doesn't realize is that Trump revived them and when Trump goes the GOP is dead. Which is a good thing, then maybe we can get populism to come back with Nick Fuentes and getting populists into office, to support America First.
I'd rather not have the country run by the political equivalent of youtube commenters, thanks.
Hell "MAGA" itself is a right-wing rebranding of "Hope and Change" in the first place.
It's more Tea Party nuttery than Obama free-pony platitudes. If you go back farther it's Ross Perot. But these things never last. Republican establishment has always been like a stern father. Kind of an ass. A bit boring and wooden. Makes some mistakes sometimes. But overall tolerable because they generally advocate for practical things. Jordan Peterson, essentially.

MAGA is like your crazy uncle who is way into conspiracies and has a highly oversimplified paranoid view of the world. Believes the government colluded with automakers to keep cars from getting 100 mpg because the oil companies need to maintain the petrodollar. It's true! He heard it from some guy while drinking at the VFW hall.

Republicans, in the US political landscape, exist mostly as a filter for the other party's goofy shit. Makes sure their policy is actionable before passing it into law. Reigning in excess. You can see this all over the country as Dem strongholds that don't have these sourpuss cockblocker R's to keep them in check inevitably fall the fuck apart, whereas solid GOP controlled areas do pretty well and don't go off the rails. Until now. MAGAs have all the self-righteous passion of the fundies but less coherent and applied to all sorts of shit that we know will not work but makes for a good slogan.

I'm not terribly keen on the GOP becoming Democrat-lite. Who will be the practical one then? The lolberts? C'mon.

By the time the next presidential election cycle rolls around Trump and this nonsense will be a faint memory. He might try to reinsert himself like Perot did in '96 but it's not going to have the heat it did before. The cycle of "exciting republican" is over. They tried and lost. To a very mediocre candidate, I might add. Leadership will now rebuild and scrounge around for some vanilla dickhead and it will play out like it has before.

The Republican base isn't interested in exciting possibilities. They pull the lever for boring status quo.
 
The Republican base isn't interested in exciting possibilities. They pull the lever for boring status quo.
This has to be one of the stupidest statements I have ever seen on this website. Back in 2008 the average Republican was as fond of the Bush 2.0 called McCain as anyone else was, namely not at all and in fact were it not for Obama being a warmed-over 70's left-wing terrorist you'd have seen much greater abandonment. Same deal with Romney, who promised Republicans what exactly? The two most boring status quo candidates ever, and they were at best met with uncomfortable silence only thanks to Obama being Obama. And then when Trump comes along, a man full of exciting new possibilities, look what happens! You've got rallies filled to the brim, lines around the block, and even the party leadership is forced to conceed the primary to him. For far, far too long that status quo was Republicans gracefully losing to Dems in a dignified manner, and when a man said we were all going to win, you bet your ass we all lapped that shit up like dogs because while winning isn't everything, losing is nothing.
 
What the GOP doesn't realize is that Trump revived them and when Trump goes the GOP is dead. Which is a good thing, then maybe we can get populism to come back with Nick Fuentes and getting populists into office, to support America First.
The traditional base of the Republican Party — upper middle class, white suburbanites — have become Democrats over culture war bullshit. They don’t want to be associated with the ‘hicks in pickups with Trump flags’ crowd, a lot of them don’t like guns, and a lot of them do support legal abortion. The Episcopal Church used to be ‘the Republican Party at Prayer’ and now they’re down to Brian Kemp, Neil Gorsuch and Tucker Carlson.

And on the other hand, the ‘disaffected working class’, while they’re mostly Christian, doesn’t care about the same bullshit the super-evangelical crowd did. They want legal weed, and they don’t want to hear their elected officials talking about how blowjobs should be illegal. They also really don’t like immigration. Rich Republican congressmen got away with not cracking down on immigration because their constituents were either other rich people who like illegals to be their maids or fundies who will vote for anyone who says they’ll ban abortion. If they don’t change their behavior it’ll be Tea Party 2.0 in the midterms.

edit: also, I hope weed gets federally legalized so normies will stop being Libertarians
 
Why would Those "Hicks in pickups" group vote for someone that isn't working for their best interests. Trump is that person who gave those people alot of hope.
I’m not arguing with you. But I am saying suburbanites don’t like them and don’t want to be associated with them, and will become Democrats the more they perceive the Republican Party as the party of the rural and uneducated. There’s nobody someone from New Trier or Cambridge or Manassas hates more than a redneck.
 
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I’m not arguing with you. But I am saying suburbanites don’t like them and don’t want to be associated with them, and will become Democrats the more they perceive the Republican Party as the party of the rural and uneducated. There’s nobody someone from New Trier or Cambridge or Manassas hates more than a redneck.
sorry if i came off as hostile
 
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sorry if i came off as hostile
That’s alright.
I agree — rural people, and the white urban/ish poor of the Rust Belt liked Trump. I don’t think they like their establishment GOP Congresscritter. The GOP really doesn’t want Tea Party 2.0, and I think they managed to avoid losing a lot of seats in 2020 because a lot more people than normal came out for the primary since it was a presidential year. Although there were incumbents who lost their seats to other Republicans! In 2022, though...

edit: Also, I think in 2022 Republicans will be spending most of their energy defending seats with viable Democrat challengers and trying to pick up Dem seats, and not thinking they’ll lose a safe establishment seat to another Republican.
 
For far, far too long that status quo was Republicans gracefully losing to Dems in a dignified manner, and when a man said we were all going to win, you bet your ass we all lapped that shit up like dogs because while winning isn't everything, losing is nothing.
Now tell the story about how GWB won both his terms. Dude was unapologetically a Reaganite NeoCon. Staunch conservative policies can win.

Also, McCain and Romney weren't exactly mainstream republicans. They were moderates picked in a move to distance the party from GWB for the general. They forgot that Bush won a second term in 2004. Picking those two goofs would be like the democrats running Tulsi Gabbard and being surprised that she got hammered in the general when the base no-shows. That's why they retooled and went with a stronger Republican-cred field in 2016.

Sure, fine, people were amped for Trump. But they weren't exactly the R base. Nor did his deal carry enough momentum to win him a second term. I guarantee you the party leadership noticed that. They are going to steer things back into picking apart D policy for being too reckless and being the same plain old boring dumbasses we always knew them as.
I agree — rural people, and the white urban/ish poor of the Rust Belt liked Trump.
I guarantee you that rural people weren't entirely on board with that little trade war we had with China. Especially since the US came away with nothing from all that. More than a few fights have broken out at the Co-op about the viability of getting into pissing matches and tanking the value of soybeans so some dickhead in Erie, PA can run a metal press. Farmers got bills to pay.

Speaking of which. Pickers. Anyone from a produce producing region knows how crucial migrant workers are. The impediments on getting them into the field so that shit doesn't rot on the vine wasn't looked on too favorably either.

Trump's base was city people. Or people who worked city jobs. People in the ag world were split on his policies. Sometimes deeply so. Also, hi.
 
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Now tell the story about how GWB won both his terms. Dude was unapologetically a Reaganite NeoCon. Staunch conservative policies can win.

Also, McCain and Romney weren't exactly mainstream republicans. They were moderates picked in a move to distance the party from GWB for the general. They forgot that Bush won a second term in 2004. Picking those two goofs would be like the democrats running Tulsi Gabbard and being surprised that she got hammered in the general when the base no-shows. That's why they retooled and went with a stronger Republican-cred field in 2016.

Sure, fine, people were amped for Trump. But they weren't exactly the R base. Nor did his deal carry enough momentum to win him a second term. I guarantee you the party leadership noticed that. They are going to steer things back into picking apart D policy for being too reckless and being the same plain old boring dumbasses we always knew them as.
I’m sorry, but the GOP party leadership is full of morons. I don’t care if you think sending out 2k checks is a bad idea, it’s what the voters wanted, and Mitch McConnell lost two seats the Republicans couldn’t afford to lose. Even Newt Gingrich told him to pass it. This was not a time to take a principled fiscally conservative stance.

Also, I think McConnell is going to ‘resign to spend more time with his family’ sometime in the next two years, AKA him being told to step down so there’s no potential way for him to be majority leader again after the midterms.
 
Sure, fine, people were amped for Trump. But they weren't exactly the R base. Nor did his deal carry enough momentum to win him a second term. I guarantee you the party leadership noticed that. They are going to steer things back into picking apart D policy for being too reckless and being the same plain old boring dumbasses we always knew them as.
The party leadership is going to go back to begging the Democrats not to bully them too hard and the Republican Party is going to refuse to field another candidate like Trump, that would actually win and openly admit Washington is corrupt. They're going to give us a Republican version of Biden: some rich white asshole who's been in government for his entire life that the people won't rally behind because we all know he's corrupt.

People came out on election night to vote for Trump. They didn't go for the Republicans, they went for MAGA. Trump likely had enough momentum to win the election before the Democrats started their election night shenanigans. That movement is still there, regardless if Trump's the president or not.
 
People came out on election night to vote for Trump. They didn't go for the Republicans, they went for MAGA. Trump likely had enough momentum to win the election before the Democrats started their election night shenanigans. That movement is still there, regardless if Trump's the president or not.
Better get used to losing then because the "momentum" isn't enough. You need to horse-trade. Pick your battles.

As fun as it's all been watching Dems lose their shit, Trump's star is fading and with him the movement. Why the fuck do you think so many people are currently making huge jackasses of themselves in DC right now? They know it's over when the election is.
 
Better get used to losing then because the "momentum" isn't enough. You need to horse-trade. Pick your battles.

As fun as it's all been watching Dems lose their shit, Trump's star is fading and with him the movement. Why the fuck do you think so many people are currently making huge jackasses of themselves in DC right now? They know it's over when the election is.
Let me ask you and @The Great Autismo and anyone else who wants to weigh in: what do you think the ideal 2022 Congressional candidate for the GOP will look like?

My thoughts:
-Needs an impeccable background. Not associated with anyone too far right, but also not someone who’s never had a job other than congressional aide. Ideally a veteran. Also, I think if you can get white Latinos to run, they’ll do well. Religious, but not weird about it. Catholic, in the North.
-Firm against immigration, firm supporting guns BUT not doing ads showing off his arsenal. Doesn’t bring up abortion unless asked.
-Supports legal weed.
-Supports some sort of tax return or credit for working families, like an increased EITC.
 
Better get used to losing then because the "momentum" isn't enough. You need to horse-trade. Pick your battles.

As fun as it's all been watching Dems lose their shit, Trump's star is fading and with him the movement. Why the fuck do you think so many people are currently making huge jackasses of themselves in DC right now? They know it's over when the election is.
People aren't going to suddenly be alright with the government screwing the average person over at every possible turn. This movement is not fading. The Democrats will continue to become more blatantly corrupt, the Republicans will be ineffective and more people will begin to recognize Trump's message, which is simply acknowledging the fact that Washington is a cesspool.

Let me ask you and @The Great Autismo and anyone else who wants to weigh in: what do you think the ideal 2022 Congressional candidate for the GOP will look like?

My thoughts:
-Needs an impeccable background. Not associated with anyone too far right, but also not someone who’s never had a job other than congressional aide. Ideally a veteran. Also, I think if you can get white Latinos to run, they’ll do well. Religious, but not weird about it. Catholic, in the North.
-Firm against immigration, firm supporting guns BUT not doing ads showing off his arsenal. Doesn’t bring up abortion unless asked.
-Supports legal weed.
-Supports some sort of tax return or credit for working families, like an increased EITC.
I think that someone has to appeal to the growing feeling that Washington is out of control and it has to be someone that isn't a part of Washington. A veteran would be great.
 
People aren't going to suddenly be alright with the government screwing the average person over at every possible turn. This movement is not fading. The Democrats will continue to become more blatantly corrupt, the Republicans will be ineffective and more people will begin to recognize Trump's message, which is simply acknowledging the fact that Washington is a cesspool.


I think that someone has to appeal to the growing feeling that Washington is out of control and it has to be someone that isn't a part of Washington. A veteran would be great.
As long as they weren’t a commissioned officer. Nobody wants Republican Pete Buttgieg.

One of the Democrats who got primaried this year was Lacy Clay, grade A swamp creature — he had been congressman for like twenty years, and his father had been the congressman for like forty before that. He figured since it was a safe Dem seat he’d be fine, but he wasn’t. That’s going to keep happening.
 
Let me ask you and @The Great Autismo and anyone else who wants to weigh in: what do you think the ideal 2022 Congressional candidate for the GOP will look like?

My thoughts:
-Needs an impeccable background. Not associated with anyone too far right, but also not someone who’s never had a job other than congressional aide. Ideally a veteran. Also, I think if you can get white Latinos to run, they’ll do well. Religious, but not weird about it. Catholic, in the North.
Good so far. Having experience in some industry regulatory body would be good as well. Managing timber or oil or energy. Something like that.
-Firm against immigration, firm supporting guns BUT not doing ads showing off his arsenal. Doesn’t bring up abortion unless asked.
Reel back the immigration thing. Be strong against illegal immigration but in favor of a legal path, something like what GWB proposed back in the early 00's. Reduce the size of the problem so that resources stand a chance at addressing it. ICE couldn't deport however many million illegals there are if they wanted to. It's time to focus on the problem children and let the rest who aren't bothering anyone skate with some kind of migrant visa.
-Supports legal weed.
Don't care.
-Supports some sort of tax return or credit for working families, like an increased EITC.
"Credits" for money they didn't earn because they shit out a kid. Pass. Just cut taxes on the bottom brackets.

Meaningful tort and regulatory reform needs to happen. Businesses are nickel and dimed to death. Products cannot compete on the world market. That is the root of the job exporting issue. Their choice is either relocating to where they can turn a profit or going out of business. We even see that within the US as industries move from their historic factories to places like Tennessee and South Carolina because the regulatory environment is much better.

My real wish is for a candidate to go after the rent-seeking activist groups. The ones who are digging themselves even deeper into US industry and public institutions and making them unviable. It's an epidemic. Look at the woke goofballs at Google if you want an example. They are remoras that suck the life out of anything they can get ahold of. The rot is spreading and it will not stop unless someone unites people to put an end to it. Put pressure on the Feds to RICO them or something.
 
Good so far. Having experience in some industry regulatory body would be good as well. Managing timber or oil or energy. Something like that.

Reel back the immigration thing. Be strong against illegal immigration but in favor of a legal path, something like what GWB proposed back in the early 00's. Reduce the size of the problem so that resources stand a chance at addressing it. ICE couldn't deport however many million illegals there are if they wanted to. It's time to focus on the problem children and let the rest who aren't bothering anyone skate with some kind of migrant visa.

Don't care.

"Credits" for money they didn't earn because they shit out a kid. Pass. Just cut taxes on the bottom brackets.

Meaningful tort and regulatory reform needs to happen. Businesses are nickel and dimed to death. Products cannot compete on the world market. That is the root of the job exporting issue. Their choice is either relocating to where they can turn a profit or going out of business. We even see that within the US as industries move from their historic factories to places like Tennessee and South Carolina because the regulatory environment is much better.

My real wish is for a candidate to go after the rent-seeking activist groups. The ones who are digging themselves even deeper into US industry and public institutions and making them unviable. It's an epidemic. Look at the woke goofballs at Google if you want an example. They are remoras that suck the life out of anything they can get ahold of. The rot is spreading and it will not stop unless someone unites people to stop it.
The only way to crack down on illegal immigration is to crack down on the companies hiring the illegals. Nobody’s going to walk here from Guatemala if they won’t be able to get a job. Deporting them is pointless because there will just be a new batch as long as someone hires them.
 
The only way to crack down on illegal immigration is to crack down on the companies hiring the illegals. Nobody’s going to walk here from Guatemala if they won’t be able to get a job. Deporting them is pointless because there will just be a new batch as long as someone hires them.
Easier said than done. Illegals aren't pulling W-2s. It's a cash economy. You can't crack down on the companies without essentially revamping the entire way companies report expenses. Likely requiring incredibly invasive methods. This all goes against that whole "remove regulatory impediments" thing that is a far larger problem.

Just cut bait and issue them visas and tax IDs so that the companies don't have to use the cash workaround. Incentivize compliance.
 
Easier said than done. Illegals aren't pulling W-2s. It's a cash economy.
lol What decade are you living in, exactly, and just how much experience with illegals do you have?

Yes, they are. The payroll processing companies make biannual or quarterly reports flagging bogus SSNs and then nothing happens to either the illegal or the place employing them. Every February, the illegals who work for such places get their W2s. God knows if they bother filing returns, but the W2s are generated.

Does this ‘cash economy’ still exist? Oh I’m very certain it does, but the days of illegals exclusively getting picked up in a Home Depot parking lot for an under-the-table day job are long past.

“Just cut bait and issue them visas and tax IDs so that the companies don't have to use the cash workaround. Incentivize compliance.”

Or we could incentive compliance to existing law on the part of companies breaking it by nailing some of them to the wall. Sure, the domestic construction industry in most states would implode as the ratio of beaners to legals on construction sites inverted, but then maybe houses would stop being built shitty and the home builders wouldn’t be able to rake in massive profits while charging an arm and a leg for substandard work.
 
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