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Here. This made me really feel sick and confused.

https://jme.bmj.com/content/46/11/743

"Forever young? The ethics of ongoing puberty suppression for non-binary adults" -

"Phoenix, 18, was assigned female at birth but has identified as gender non-binary (not entirely/exclusively male or female) since age 5. Phoenix uses they/them pronouns, has short hair and wears gender-neutral clothes. When Phoenix was 11, they began puberty and became extremely distressed by development of their breast buds and anxious about menstruation commencing soon. This prompted Phoenix and their parents to ask Phoenix’s paediatrician for puberty blockers to halt puberty and stop further pubertal development. At that time, Phoenix told their paediatrician they did not want to discontinue the use of such blockers in the future, as they did not want to go through any puberty. Given Phoenix’s severe distress, Phoenix’s paediatrician agreed puberty blockers should be given, but informed Phoenix and their parents he was not prepared to prescribe long-term puberty suppression, as this is riskier than short-term suppression. The paediatrician stated that, when Phoenix turned 16 and had a better sense of their gender identity, they would meet to discuss whether Phoenix wished to discontinue the puberty blockers and (1) revert to their endogenous (female) sex hormones or (2) commence testosterone.

When Phoenix turned 16, they informed their paediatrician that they did not want option (1) or (2). Rather, Phoenix was confident they would identify as non-binary for the rest of their life and wanted to stay on puberty blockers ‘forever’ to ensure their body remained in a ‘genderless’ state. Reluctantly, the paediatrician agreed to extend Phoenix’s time on blockers for another 2 years.

Recently, Phoenix entered the adult healthcare system and informed their new doctor that their desire to continue puberty suppression on an ongoing basis has not changed. Phoenix feels that remaining in an androgynous, peripubertal state is the only way that their body can truly reflect their non-binary gender identity. Phoenix, supported by their parents, has the financial means to pay for ongoing puberty suppression (OPS) (approximately $A5200 per year in Australia).

Phoenix does not have any underlying medical conditions which would specifically contraindicate hormonal intervention. Nevertheless, Phoenix’s new doctor feels that OPS is still too physically risky, especially with regard to bone health, and wonders if Phoenix has underlying psychological issues about not wanting to grow up.

Phoenix’s doctor refers Phoenix to a psychologist, who confirms that Phoenix continues to have significant distress about their body, similar in degree to that experienced by binary trans patients that the psychologist has seen. Phoenix has regular counselling with the psychologist, who judges that Phoenix’s distress is significant and enduring, and is not a symptom of an underlying psychopathology. The psychologist also reports that she does not see any signs that indicate Phoenix has a fear of growing up.

Phoenix tells the psychologist that they highly value having a body that matches their gender identity. Alternative options, including low-dose testosterone, menstrual suppression and future ‘top’ surgery, are unacceptable to Phoenix because they do not believe these alternatives would accurately reflect their non-binary gender identity.

Phoenix’s doctor and psychologist conduct a capacity assessment, and find Phoenix capable of consenting to OPS. The psychologist also verifies that Phoenix’s desire for OPS is long-standing, informed, voluntary and free from coercion.

Should Phoenix’s new doctor agree to prescribe puberty blockers for Phoenix to take on an ongoing basis?"

right, honestly this made me feel weird reading it. How the fuck would that benefit anyone to have no PUBERTY at all to be non binary? what in the fucking fuck?

I can understand (to a point) people switching gender. It's a bit far fetched, some are obvs pervs but isn't entirely stupid nor a perversion for some. BLOCKING PUBERTY FOR SOMEONES WHOLE LIFE? THE HECK. It's like some nazi experiment to breed children that never grow. I can't understand it.

I tap out, im done; This is the worst thing i have read. oml.
I've brought this up with trans activists before - that it isn't a huge leap to suppose that we are going to end up with "non-binary" kids having their puberty blocked indefinitely. It is an obvious conclusion to their fucking insane rhetoric. If it is wrong for trans kids to go through their natal puberty and they should be given hormones to mimic the opposite sex puberty, then wouldn't it be equally wrong for non-binary kids to be forced to go through ANY puberty? Of course, they called me bigoted and a TERF and misinformed.
 
"His" (Buck Angel's) voice though. I don't know what turns gay men on, but Tranpa is just so magnificently clockable the second "he" is on video, rather than pictures.
The voice is off but if I am to listen to her voice alone, I'd guess a mousy sort of man. Looking at her while listening to her voice, however...

Do you folx remember Monicaaaaaah (that's 6 a's)? He is a keeper. I guarantee nothing brightens your day more than watching him smile on this video.

His latest shtick is to stick progesterone pills up his ass:
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Whatever he is taking and however he is taking them, he still looks like Elliot Rodger:
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Don't know if anyone watches Big Mouth or if this has been posted, but there's a tranny now on the show, born Gabe but now "Natalie." From doing a Google search, he's voiced by a tranny named "Josie Totah," who transitioned when he was 17.

In her his/her introduction, they make it a point to hammer Natalie's "preferred pronouns." And I knew when to stop watching. I know there's people who have found the show disturbing and that it attempts to normalize pedophilia. I just think the shows weird and don't expect anything less from a former Family Guy writer.

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This kid is also on the new Saved by the Bell remake, playing a trans student.
 
Ireland's Transgender Education Network Ireland wrote an insane public letter today calling for the silencing of TERFs in the media. They're clearly rattled as there's been a lot of discussion on twitter, a couple of articles in the papers and talk on radio. I've heard people at work start talking about troons lately.

Just count the amount of lies and the amount of hyperbole in this. Irish people will count a lot more.

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Fucking single spacing as well, can't even use Word. Fucking imbeciles.
An Post put up the trans flag during the weekend of the 100th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. It's so disrespectful to the forefathers and foremothers of the Irish people and nation. Those who fought during the Easter Rising would be horrified to see what the Woke Irish are doing to their country they fought for to be free.

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Here’s my question: if gender and sex are social constructs and white colonialism or whatever they cry these days, why do they all change their names? Especially someone famous? Although Ellen is a feminine name, she could’ve rebranded it to sound sort of unisex like the name Glenn or something. Instead she’s traded her famous name in for something generic and random. For what purpose?
“Elliot” is a really popular FtM name, as it’s considered unisex these days and thus a “soft boy uwu” name. You almost never see them picking very masculine, traditional names like John, Carl or William, it’s always something that could either be considered gender neutral or is more commonly heard on newborns than people their age. To be fair it is the closest male name to her birth name but I’ve come across way too many FTMs with names like Elliot, Quinn, Oliver, Cayden etc. to think that’s the only reason she picked it.
 
I've been flicking through Pediatric Gender Identity which is written/edited by a bunch of 'affirmative' clinicians. It includes a very interesting chapter written by some Dutch clinicians on the autism-troonism connection including an utterly horrifying and insane "vignette."

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Like what the fuck? How does something like this even happen in a clinical situation and how did the clinicians think that they were doing The Right Thing? Also keep in mind that the authors admit that ASD patients may have lower levels of psychological functioning than ASD individuals in general:
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This is, as is the case throughout the entire chapter, not taken to imply or suggest that maybe their gender dysphoria or cross-sex desires are caused by underlying psychological issues. But the real kicker is that right after the Sam vignette they write:
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Excellent. So, Sam, an undeniably autistic youth, was given a "treatment" of multiple drugs with no supporting evidence - not even poor evidence - on a basis - that he has a 'female' gender identity - which almost certainly has zero diagnostic validity. Very good and ethical medical practice this is.

The chapter earlier also cites the "maybe autism is a symptom of being trans" paper by Turban which is basically "retarded thought-bubbling" the paper:
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An Post put up the trans flag during the weekend of the 100th anniversary of Bloody Sunday. Those who fought during the Easter Rising would be horrified to see what the Woke Irish are doing to their country they fought for to be free.

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Winter pride? Wtf? Isn't pride in the summer?


Lupron is used for endometriosis and fertility issues. In adults it is monitored closely and not recommended for long term use. There are severe side effects, as mentioned in this thread before.

It stops periods and growth of the uterus lining, especially outside of the uterus where the problem occurs with endometriosis. It stops the formation of cysts on ovaries. Basically stops the horrible pain.

It is also given to women with fertility issues, you go on it for a couple of cycles and then stop and your body kicks into gear again. It's kind of like rebooting a computer when used in fertility issues.

The idea that it's given to children, especially for years and maybe for life is complete lunacy and should be malpractice.
 
Agree with all of that. Miss Angel though, was supposed to be this 17% less batshit troon. Saw her on the Benjamin Boyce YouTube channel, and she didn't sound insane. It's only recently that I have learned that all troons are insane. B-b-but Rose Of Dawn and Blaire White ...FUCK that!! All you have to do is ask those "sane" troons some pointed questions and soon they'll reveal just how fucked they are.

Edit: Badda bing, badda boom ...there's nothing worse than a troon!
I got shit faced one weekend a while back and DMed Buck (for reasons that escape me) on Twitter and shockingly had a very good conversation about trans adjacent stuff. Buck is older than you think (almost 60) and didn't transition until their late 20s. There's a very real gulf between trannies Buck's age and the younger ones; the elders just want to be left the fuck alone and tend to be way more conservative than you would think.

There's still that disconnect though because when pressed it always comes back to 'Well I always just felt this way' regardless of who you ask and it doesn't hold water in my brain. Buck was really cordial though.
"His" voice though. I don't know what turns gay men on, but Tranpa is just so magnificently clockable the second "he" is on video, rather than pictures.
Robin Quivers from the Howard Stern Show clocked Buck in under a minute. It was some "Guess My Secret" thing and the first thing she said was, "You were born a woman, weren't you?"
Reminds me of this retarded article:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...corners-olivia-delaying-puberty/11998826?nw=0

Olivia Purdie is medically delaying puberty because the 11-year-old doesn't want to develop the body of a woman.

"I am non-binary, which means I have no gender. I am just me," Olivia said.

The Year 6 student is one of a small but growing cohort of children around Australia seeking treatment because they don't identify as either a boy or a girl.

"The world basically revolves around boxes and those two boxes are a male and a female box," Olivia said.

"People try to duct tape the box so then you'll stay like that. But I cut the duct tape and opened up into my own box."

Two years ago, Olivia was diagnosed with gender dysphoria, a condition where a person experiences extreme distress due to the mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity.

Olivia's mother Jane Russo said her child was particularly stressed about growing breasts.

"I think part of that was saying, 'Well, I don't want to have breasts'," Ms Russo said.


Doctors recommended puberty blockers, drugs used to postpone puberty and to help Olivia cope with anxiety caused by pubescent body changes.

The injections have stopped Olivia developing breasts, menstruating and developing other female characteristics.

"I'll probably be coming off the puberty blockers when I'm 16. I have five years to think about this. There's no rush with this. No point in rushing anyway," Olivia said.

Olivia sits on a bed smiling Photo: Olivia feels less anxious about body changes since starting puberty-blocking injections. (Four Corners)


Puberty suppression for young gender diverse people has been the subject of much controversy.

Some critics say the children are too young to consent and should not be on any hormonal medication.

According to Olivia's psychiatrist Georgie Swift, all medication has side effects and risks.


"The paediatricians who prescribe the leuprorelin do monitor that and we're aware if it becomes more of an issue for a particularly young person. So there are some concerns about a young person staying on puberty suppression for a long period of time."

Ms Russo said she weighed up the health risks but believed puberty suppression was what Olivia needed.

"We were informed about the risks of Olivia going on puberty blockers … about reduced bone density, but we believed this risk was low and we weighed it against Olivia's mental health and wellbeing."

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Video: Mother Jane Russo explains the difficult decision to put her child Olivia on puberty-suppressing injections. (Four Corners)


Olivia is under the care of two specialists at the Women's and Children's Hospital in Adelaide, Dr Swift and paediatric endocrinologist Jemma Anderson.

Dr Anderson said the medical impacts of puberty blockers were generally reversible and only prescribed "after a very long and considered process with extensive and in depth psychiatric evaluation for both Olivia and her family".

Dr Swift acknowledges there are strong critics who believe the children are going through a passing phase.

"I wonder if they've ever spoken to a young gender-diverse and non-binary person or really thought about what it would be like to walk in their shoes, rather than seeing it from a distant and more academic perspective," she said.

Ms Russo said she was appalled at accusations parents and doctors were committing child abuse by supporting medical intervention for gender diverse children.

"If I was to disregard Olivia's thoughts and how Olivia was feeling, I'd lose my child," she said.


"Because the reality is, I could have no child if I didn't respond to what I was hearing from my child. The need to go onto puberty blockers is actually saving Olivia's life, because Olivia can be what Olivia wants to be."


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Dr Swift said not allowing someone to have medical intervention could result in significant mental health problems.

"When young gender-diverse people get support from family, friends, school, education, they do much better in terms of their mental health," she said.

"Their number of suicide attempts are less, their deliberate self-harm is less, and their general wellbeing is improved."

Nine of the 65 gender-diverse children under Dr Swift's care identify as non-binary.

There is a waiting list for medical support of at least 12 months at the Women's and Children's Hospital in Adelaide for this type of treatment.

"It is concerning because waiting is probably the biggest fear that these kids have as their bodies start changing," Ms Russo said.

(L-R) Parents Jane Russo and Justin Purdie sit in a session with Olivia and adolescent psychiatrist Dr Georgie Swift. Photo: Parents Justin Purdie and Jane Russo sit in a session with Olivia and adolescent psychiatrist Georgie Swift. (Four Corners)


Not all non-binary young people want medical intervention like hormone therapy or surgery.

Audrey Mason-Hyde, 14, went to the same primary school as Olivia.

Audrey's sex was assigned female at birth, but Audrey does not identify as either male or female.

"I think a lot of people do identify as non-binary and want to change their body to fit what they see as the ideal body," Audrey said.

"I think that is great, amazing, go for it. But I also think you don't need to change your body to be valid as a non-binary person.

Audrey Mason-Hyde also identifies as non-binary. Photo: Audrey Mason-Hyde also identifies as non-binary. (Four Corners)


"And I love my body the way it is."

Hospitals in Australia are treating a growing number of children who identify as non-binary.

"I get asked quite a lot about why we're seeing so many more gender-diverse and in particular non-binary people coming out now," Dr Swift said.

"I don't think it is a new identity or a new type of being a person. I think non-binary people have existed as long as we have. But up until more recently there hasn't been a language for it."

Olivia Purdie and Mother Jane Russo in the family home kitchen Photo: Mother Jane Russo has been very supportive of treating Olivia's gender dysphoria. (Four Corners )


Olivia's father Justin Purdie has had a steep learning curve.

"As a parent, with the journey through puberty with a non-binary child, there's lots of questions," he said.

"I'm quite analytical. But there's no nice clear-cut solution. So, in many respects, you do just have to roll with it.

"I just want what's best for my child."

At what point do you just sit down and think "you know this actually just makes no sense and if you'd told anyone about it 10 years ago you'd have been called a total fucking retard and had CPS called on you."

It is very, very clear that these kids have an abnormal fixation/hang-up over their bodies and their self-image. Saying things "you don't have pronouns" should obviously be treated as a behavioral issue; it's not a reflection of some deep neurological divergence or something like that.

And how's this for a [citation needed]:

Negligible evidence that any of this is true in the short term and none that it is true in the long term yet even this article acknowledges that five years of pubertal suppression is probably going to give Olivia osteoporosis. No mention of the possible risk of possible neurological impairment, something which would almost certainly reduce her long-term quality of life if it were to occur.

The mother is naturally also heavily involved in troon activism through Transcend which is basically Australian Mermaids.

I suspect that the family is more than a little wealthy so maybe Olivia can become a permanent child as well.
I've always had a hunch that non-binary people's end game was more like the Lizardman than regular troons. This is in a whole other category of Peter Pan shit.
 
I've been flicking through Pediatric Gender Identity which is written/edited by a bunch of 'affirmative' clinicians. It includes a very interesting chapter written by some Dutch clinicians on the autism-troonism connection including an utterly horrifying and insane "vignette."

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Like what the fuck? How does something like this even happen in a clinical situation and how did the clinicians think that they were doing The Right Thing? Also keep in mind that the authors admit that ASD patients may have lower levels of psychological functioning than ASD individuals in general:
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This is, as is the case throughout the entire chapter, not taken to imply or suggest that maybe their gender dysphoria or cross-sex desires are caused by underlying psychological issues. But the real kicker is that right after the Sam vignette they write:
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Excellent. So, Sam, an undeniably autistic youth, was given a "treatment" of multiple drugs with no supporting evidence - not even poor evidence - on a basis - that he has a 'female' gender identity - which almost certainly has zero diagnostic validity. Very good and ethical medical practice this is.

The chapter earlier also cites the "maybe autism is a symptom of being trans" paper by Turban which is basically "retarded thought-bubbling" the paper:
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This reminds me of Mark Geier - a doctor who gave autistic boys Lupron (the same drugs "trans" kids get). He claimed that this was going to cure their autism. The side effects were horrible because these drugs are horrible.


He had his medical liscence revoked in every state but gender quacks are allowed to do the same shit.

The Geiers have developed a protocol for treating autism that uses the drug Lupron, which acts as chemical castration. Mark Geier has called Lupron "the miracle drug" and the Geiers have marketed the protocol across the U.S.[14] The Geiers filed three U.S. patent applications on the use of Lupron in combination with chelation therapy as a treatment protocol for autism based on the hypothesis that "testosterone mercury" along with low levels of glutathione blocks the conversion of DHEA to DHEA-S and therefore raises androgens which in turn further lower glutathione levels, ultimately providing a connection between autism, mercury exposure, and hyperandrogenism, specifically precocious puberty.[15][16][17]

According to expert pediatric endocrinologists, the Lupron protocol for autism is supported only by junk science.[14] The reaction of mercury and testosterone which the therapy is intended to treat is actually based on a protocol used to create testosterone crystals for use in X-ray crystallography rather than a physiological process that occurs in the human body.[18] Although Abbott Laboratories sells Lupron in the U.S. and cooperated with the Geiers in one of the patent applications, it is no longer pursuing work with them, citing the nonexistence of scientific evidence to justify further research.[19]

When treating an autistic child, the Geiers order several dozen lab tests, costing $12,000: if at least one testosterone-related result is abnormal, the Geiers consider Lupron treatments, using 10 times the daily dose ordinarily used to treat precocious puberty. The therapy costs approximately $5,000 per month. The Geiers recommend starting treatment on children as young as possible, and say that some need treatment through adulthood.[14]
 
Sorry for the dumb question but can anyone tell me if the tranny news mega thread is dead? It says I can't post there and I figured you folks probably also keep an eye on it.

So this post isn't useless here's some random stuff found on trans reddit:



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Pretty sure I've seen this exact post many times, why don't they do any research?
 
Why is it that FMTs always seem to copy the most malignant aspects of masculinity? Men don't brag about their sexual exploits beyond the age of 20. At least not if they want to be taken seriously.
Agree with all of that. Miss Angel though, was supposed to be this 17% less batshit troon. Saw her on the Benjamin Boyce YouTube channel, and she didn't sound insane. It's only recently that I have learned that all troons are insane. B-b-but Rose Of Dawn and Blaire White ...FUCK that!! All you have to do is ask those "sane" troons some pointed questions and soon they'll reveal just how fucked they are.

Edit: Badda bing, badda boom ...there's nothing worse than a troon!
Yeah, I had the same impression from a long interview on (I think) Bridget Pheatasys channel. But when the chips are down, they all eventually reveal their true (lack of) character.
 
Miss Angel though, was supposed to be this 17% less batshit troon. Saw her on the Benjamin Boyce YouTube channel, and she didn't sound insane.

I've been wondering about this. I get that Buck has some based takes every now and then, so people like him but every time I watched interviews with him, he came off incredibly manic. Nothing I can pinpoint specifically, but it was like acting slightly drunk is his default state. So I never really saw him as sane and assumed he was coping with some mental illness. Am I the only one who saw that?

Regarding the Phoenix case, I'd just like to point out that Phoenix is not real (yet):

In this paper, we identify and analyse the key ethical issues relevant to Phoenix’s case, a hypothetical yet realistic case based on clinical experience. Phoenix’s request raises novel ethical questions which have not previously been analysed.​

So they're anticipating that a case like that will come up soon and are debating the ethical implications.
 
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Why is it that FMTs always seem to copy the most malignant aspects of masculinity? Men don't brag about their sexual exploits beyond the age of 20. At least not if they want to be taken seriously.

Yeah, I had the same impression from a long interview on (I think) Bridget Pheatasys channel. But when the chips are down, they all eventually reveal their true (lack of) character.

What kind of FTM is Buck? Self-loathing lesbian who also fucks guys in porn for validation, or gay-chasing Aiden who sometimes has a female dominant running her life? Truly don’t know anything more than her porn work and that the dominatrix who trooned out the Wachowskis ghosted Buck for that lucrative gig.
 
What kind of FTM is Buck? Self-loathing lesbian who also fucks guys in porn for validation, or gay-chasing Aiden who sometimes has a female dominant running her life? Truly don’t know anything more than her porn work and that the dominatrix who trooned out the Wachowskis ghosted Buck for that lucrative gig.
Self-loathing lesbian I think. But I do see a lot of FTMs claim that taking testosterone also seems to have an effect on their sexuality, so... who knows? On a related note, I've often heard it said that women have a more fluid sexuality than men, so that might also play a role.

There's a long interview with her here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...nity-has-been-co/id1437447846?i=1000488672228

She says a lot of good things and makes some interesting observations on the trans community that will come as no surprise to any long-time lurker on this thread. I am actually incredibly disappointed that she displays the same kind of toxic masculinity I've come to expect from Gaydens that are turned down sexually by gay men. Still, worth a listen if you've nothing else to do.

But I do want to hear more about the troon that trooned the Matrix. Got any links?

That second one has got to be a troll, or did he accidentally get his intersectionality wires crosssed? I wish I could remember who was talking about the inevitable collision between the queer / trans crowd and the BLM worshippers. The gist of it was that the two matrices of oppression are basically opposed - who's more oppressed, black women or white transwomen, for instance? (Obviously, the answer is "nobody cares", but it should provide for some lulz for us along the way when they start cannibalizing themselves.)
 
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