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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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I'd still be pessimistic during the nationwide mourning at gun point in NK, figuring its a scam.

What scam would he be running, there? Considering that his cult is based around him being a god made flesh, "dying young of obesity-related disease" does not seem like one of those things he'd be eager to slap on to prop himself up.
 
Was going through DailyNK today and saw this. The article is interesting in and of itself, but I was immediately drawn to this hilarious picture of Kim, dude is looking real fucking rough. Not sure when exactly the picture was taken, which is to say if it was recently or before his rumored health issues the last few months, either way he really does look like he's about to croak so I can see why the rumors would spread so widely even if there isn't any truth to them.


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Was going through DailyNK today and saw this. The article is interesting in and of itself, but I was immediately drawn to this hilarious picture of Kim, dude is looking real fucking rough. Not sure when exactly the picture was taken, which is to say if it was recently or before his rumored health issues the last few months, either way he really does look like he's about to croak so I can see why the rumors would spread so widely even if there isn't any truth to them.


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Those pieces of rice are massive! I mean, Kim's a big dude and that grain of rice still looks huge.

Truly the North Koreans are the keepers of our Earth. What the fuck are we even doing over here? Trump should off himself right now.
 
I just want to remind everyone that "unveiling" a completely untested missile system means jackshit.
Do the experts think that this actually represents a new missile with the capability to fit it with a propellant and warhead and hit something with a reasonable degree of accuracy, or are they just parading painted metal tubes in the street? Or maybe somewhere in between?
 
Do the experts think that this actually represents a new missile with the capability to fit it with a propellant and warhead and hit something with a reasonable degree of accuracy, or are they just parading painted metal tubes in the street? Or maybe somewhere in between?
It is definitely regarded as a real missile:

For example:


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More info in article, though it should be noted that this is all reasoned speculation:

What North Korea’s latest missile parade tells us, and what it doesn’t

North Korea has offered a glimpse of its new intercontinental and submarine-launched ballistic missiles. But a detailed look at the systems on show reveals more questions than answers, explain Douglas Barrie and Joseph Dempsey.

North Korea displayed two additions to its plethora of ballistic-missile designs during a 10 October parade to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the Korean Workers’ Party. A large, liquid-propellant ‘road-mobile’ intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) was Pyongyang’s big reveal, with what appeared to be a solid-motor submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) preceding it. As with the unveiling of most of North Korea’s missile projects, however, both systems pose more questions than provide answers.

The ICBM was shown on an 11-axle transporter erector launcher (TELs), resembling a modified Chinese WS51200 8-axle chassis, suggesting that its road mobility would be constrained significantly by its size. North Korea has so far been unable to domestically produce large TELs and has had to covertly import those it has. The requirements of a liquid-propellant system are also a limiting factor: it is not clear whether the missile could be transported when fully fuelled; and whether it can be erected fully fuelled. The likely two-stage missile is estimated to be 25m in length, around 15% longer than the Hwasong-15 ICBM (KN-22/KN-SS-??), and with a larger diameter. The missile would notionally have the range, at around 13,000km, to cover the whole of the United States, like the Hwasong-15, but potentially with a greater payload.

One rationale for developing such a large liquid-propellant system, apart from the domestic propaganda value of its sheer size, would be the carriage of multiple warheads combined with decoys, allowing the system to overcome a missile-defence system with a comparatively small number of interceptors. Multiple re-entry vehicles, combined with re-entry vehicle decoys with post boost-phase dispersion, would complicate the target picture for missile defences.

The inclusion of the ICBM in the parade, possibly known as the Hwasong-16, is in keeping with Pyongyang’s habit of sometimes showcasing long-range systems even if flight testing has not begun. Two earlier ICBMs, the Hwasong-14 (KN-20) and the Hwasong-15 have been test-flown, though neither of these was seen until Pyongyang released launch footage. The former was launched twice in 2017, with a test shot of the latter in November 2017. The Hwasong-14 has an estimated range of 10,000km, while the Hwasong-15’s range is thought to be around 25% greater.

The last time that North Korea test-launched an ICBM-class missile was in November 2017. Talks between the US and North Korea over the latter’s nuclear-weapons developments resulted in a testing hiatus. While the subsequent failure of the talks has yet to result in the renewal of ICBM launches, propulsion system testing was again underway in December 2019. And a nuclear-capable medium-range missile, the Pukguksong-3 (KN-26) SLBM, was test fired for the first time in October 2019.

A new submarine-launched ballistic missile?​

While it was anticipated that Kim Jong-un could use the parade to show a new ICBM, the unveiling of a further SLBM development was less widely expected.

The Pukguksong-4 (4A) missile appeared similar to the Pukguksong-3 SLBM, though perhaps shorter in length. North Korea has been pursuing a submarine-based deterrent option for well over a decade, with a heavily modified Romeo-class or alternatively what is sometimes known as the Sinpo C, as the intended vessel. Two or three missiles could be housed within an extended sail.

So far, however, test firing appears to have been carried out only from a submerged barge. Test shots of the first of the Pukguksong family, the Pukguksong-1 (KN-11) began in 2015. How and to what extent the Pukguksong-4 differs in terms of design or performance from the Pukguksong-3 is not yet clear. One improvement would be to enhance the range of the Pukguksong-3, which is estimated to be just below 2,000km, while the Pukguksong-1 had an estimated range of 1,200km.

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The Pukguksong-4 appeared to have a considerably wider body diameter than the Pukguksong-1, raising the question as to whether the missile can be fitted within a modified Gorae (Sinpo-B) class. The Gorae submarine was used as the test platform for the Pukguksong-1.

The length of the Pukguksong-4 missile gives rise to further questions: if it is indeed shorter than the Puguksong-3, then why is this? Did the designers encounter a modification issue with the Romeo? A further curiosity was that the missile may not have been accompanied by navy personnel, as was the Puguksong-1, during the 2018 parade. Instead, those on the vehicle appeared to be army personnel. This might hint at the possibility that the missile is a land-based SLBM derivative, similar to the relationship between the Pukguksong-1 and its land-based version, the Pukguksong-2.

While there is much around the appearance of the large ICBM and Pukguksong-4 that is unclear, what is apparent is the signalling, both domestic and international. For the domestic audience, the new missiles and the parade in general, were aimed at underscoring the strength of the regime. For Washington, their appearance may have been intended to show the cost of ‘failure’ in reaching a nuclear deal acceptable to Pyongyang.
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TL;DR Summary: HS-16 is most likely liquid fueled, this means that the missile will have to be fueled before launch. That requires significant amounts of time and infrastructure to achieve. It is unknown if it is Horizontally Fueling (less exposer time) or Vertical Fueling (more exposure time). Other details related to launch process are not known, e.g. does it require pre-positioned launch pads?

What is known is that the thing is long. Procurement of a TEL (Transporter Erector Launcher) that size is a new development for the DPRK. There is rumbling that it was made using imported parts, but I have not seen anyone claim definitive knowledge on the subject. There is a lot of interest in this particular issue.

The sheer size of the damn thing will make it hard to hide:
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The last major implication is that the HS-16 might have multiple warhead capability. It certainly should have a heavier payload capacity. But to be frank, we don't know if the HS-15 has/had a survivable re-entry vehicle (or for that matter the miniaturization capability, but that is a slightly different topic), let alone this new HS-16.

So, I will maintain that it is largely aspirational until it is actually tested.

EDIT: Just to mention accuracy, we don't know.
 
It is definitely regarded as a real missile:

For example:


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More info in article, though it should be noted that this is all reasoned speculation:

What North Korea’s latest missile parade tells us, and what it doesn’t

North Korea has offered a glimpse of its new intercontinental and submarine-launched ballistic missiles. But a detailed look at the systems on show reveals more questions than answers, explain Douglas Barrie and Joseph Dempsey.

North Korea displayed two additions to its plethora of ballistic-missile designs during a 10 October parade to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the Korean Workers’ Party. A large, liquid-propellant ‘road-mobile’ intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) was Pyongyang’s big reveal, with what appeared to be a solid-motor submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) preceding it. As with the unveiling of most of North Korea’s missile projects, however, both systems pose more questions than provide answers.

The ICBM was shown on an 11-axle transporter erector launcher (TELs), resembling a modified Chinese WS51200 8-axle chassis, suggesting that its road mobility would be constrained significantly by its size. North Korea has so far been unable to domestically produce large TELs and has had to covertly import those it has. The requirements of a liquid-propellant system are also a limiting factor: it is not clear whether the missile could be transported when fully fuelled; and whether it can be erected fully fuelled. The likely two-stage missile is estimated to be 25m in length, around 15% longer than the Hwasong-15 ICBM (KN-22/KN-SS-??), and with a larger diameter. The missile would notionally have the range, at around 13,000km, to cover the whole of the United States, like the Hwasong-15, but potentially with a greater payload.

One rationale for developing such a large liquid-propellant system, apart from the domestic propaganda value of its sheer size, would be the carriage of multiple warheads combined with decoys, allowing the system to overcome a missile-defence system with a comparatively small number of interceptors. Multiple re-entry vehicles, combined with re-entry vehicle decoys with post boost-phase dispersion, would complicate the target picture for missile defences.

The inclusion of the ICBM in the parade, possibly known as the Hwasong-16, is in keeping with Pyongyang’s habit of sometimes showcasing long-range systems even if flight testing has not begun. Two earlier ICBMs, the Hwasong-14 (KN-20) and the Hwasong-15 have been test-flown, though neither of these was seen until Pyongyang released launch footage. The former was launched twice in 2017, with a test shot of the latter in November 2017. The Hwasong-14 has an estimated range of 10,000km, while the Hwasong-15’s range is thought to be around 25% greater.

The last time that North Korea test-launched an ICBM-class missile was in November 2017. Talks between the US and North Korea over the latter’s nuclear-weapons developments resulted in a testing hiatus. While the subsequent failure of the talks has yet to result in the renewal of ICBM launches, propulsion system testing was again underway in December 2019. And a nuclear-capable medium-range missile, the Pukguksong-3 (KN-26) SLBM, was test fired for the first time in October 2019.

A new submarine-launched ballistic missile?​

While it was anticipated that Kim Jong-un could use the parade to show a new ICBM, the unveiling of a further SLBM development was less widely expected.

The Pukguksong-4 (4A) missile appeared similar to the Pukguksong-3 SLBM, though perhaps shorter in length. North Korea has been pursuing a submarine-based deterrent option for well over a decade, with a heavily modified Romeo-class or alternatively what is sometimes known as the Sinpo C, as the intended vessel. Two or three missiles could be housed within an extended sail.

So far, however, test firing appears to have been carried out only from a submerged barge. Test shots of the first of the Pukguksong family, the Pukguksong-1 (KN-11) began in 2015. How and to what extent the Pukguksong-4 differs in terms of design or performance from the Pukguksong-3 is not yet clear. One improvement would be to enhance the range of the Pukguksong-3, which is estimated to be just below 2,000km, while the Pukguksong-1 had an estimated range of 1,200km.

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The Pukguksong-4 appeared to have a considerably wider body diameter than the Pukguksong-1, raising the question as to whether the missile can be fitted within a modified Gorae (Sinpo-B) class. The Gorae submarine was used as the test platform for the Pukguksong-1.

The length of the Pukguksong-4 missile gives rise to further questions: if it is indeed shorter than the Puguksong-3, then why is this? Did the designers encounter a modification issue with the Romeo? A further curiosity was that the missile may not have been accompanied by navy personnel, as was the Puguksong-1, during the 2018 parade. Instead, those on the vehicle appeared to be army personnel. This might hint at the possibility that the missile is a land-based SLBM derivative, similar to the relationship between the Pukguksong-1 and its land-based version, the Pukguksong-2.

While there is much around the appearance of the large ICBM and Pukguksong-4 that is unclear, what is apparent is the signalling, both domestic and international. For the domestic audience, the new missiles and the parade in general, were aimed at underscoring the strength of the regime. For Washington, their appearance may have been intended to show the cost of ‘failure’ in reaching a nuclear deal acceptable to Pyongyang.
_________________
TL;DR Summary: HS-16 is most likely liquid fueled, this means that the missile will have to be fueled before launch. That requires significant amounts of time and infrastructure to achieve. It is unknown if it is Horizontally Fueling (less exposer time) or Vertical Fueling (more exposure time). Other details related to launch process are not known, e.g. does it require pre-positioned launch pads?

What is known is that the thing is long. Procurement of a TEL (Transporter Erector Launcher) that size is a new development for the DPRK. There is rumbling that it was made using imported parts, but I have not seen anyone claim definitive knowledge on the subject. There is a lot of interest in this particular issue.

The sheer size of the damn thing will make it hard to hide:
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The last major implication is that the HS-16 might have multiple warhead capability. It certainly should have a heavier payload capacity. But to be frank, we don't know if the HS-15 has/had a survivable re-entry vehicle (or for that matter the miniaturization capability, but that is a slightly different topic), let alone this new HS-16.

So, I will maintain that it is largely aspirational until it is actually tested.

EDIT: Just to mention accuracy, we don't know.

I'm thinking this is a Potemkin weapon. Fat Boy Kim presides over a starving nation that even China regards as its exceptional inbred cousin. This isn't like the Russian SS-28 Sarmat / Satan II with its purported ability to fly over the South Pole to evade BMEWS, which is something that the Russians could conceivably have done given that they have the infrastructure and know-how to continue developing ICBMs.
 
It's interesting reading about North Korea and Little Kim on Wikipedia (which is where I go for in-a-nutshell reading) because there's so much "we don't know," "it is unknown," "approximate," "estimated," etc. IIRC we don't even know how old he is officially, his exact birthday, the birth dates of his kids, their names, if they even exist at all. His Wiki page currently says he "allegedly" has 3 kids.

Nobody knows anything about his wife either.
In April 2018, her title was elevated in state media from merely "comrade" to "respected first lady", considered a significant honor and the first time the title has been used since 1974.
Cool I guess.
 
Documentary recommendation: The Mole

Synopsis: A Danish chef spends 10 years undercover on a mission to infiltrate North Korea and expose its shady arms dealings

You can watch it via VPN (set it to UK) on r/documentaries or WeTransfer (untested, found by chance).

I thought it was almost like a real-life spy movie. I've done lots of searching on the topic and it really seems to be true but I can't quite believe it still.
 

North Koreans Mobilized for ‘80-Day Battle’ Told to Pay Cash Instead of Labor

Authorities in North Korea are pushing people to donate money instead of contributing free labor to the latest “80-day battle” military-style mobilization scheme, making ordinary citizens suspect that the program’s goal from the beginning was to squeeze them for extra cash.

North Korea, which uses military phrases to describe public projects that often require forced unpaid labor, typically taps the public to toil on communal farms or to work in essential industries when the country faces shortages of food or raw materials.

RFA reported in mid-October that authorities had declared the start of a new “80-day battle,” to coincide with the Oct. 10th 75th anniversary of the 1945 foundation of the Korean Workers’ Party, but sources at that time told RFA’s Korean Service they had no idea what the objective was.

Now nearing the end of the battle period, sources tell RFA that there was never any work to do, so the residents are mobilized to sit around doing nothing or are shifted to menial jobs while authorities nag them to contribute money.

“The people’s dissatisfaction with the 80-day battle is deepening daily. Even if factory workers try to participate… they have no choice but to sit around because of lack of materials and electricity,” a resident of North Pyongan province, in the country’s northwest, told RFA recently.

“The authorities continually tell them to stop coming to the factory and just pay cash. The 80-day battle continues through the end of this month,” said the source, who requested anonymity for security reasons.

The source said that in the city of Sinuiju, which lies across the Sino-Korean border from Dandong, China, none of the factories have production materials.

“They are now being mobilized for road construction and rural manure production. So instead of going to the factory, many of the employees would rather pay cash so they can go back to their personal businesses,” the source said.

In the North Korean economy, nearly everyone must have a side job to make a living, because the government salary they earn from their assigned jobs is nowhere near enough to support themselves.

“At the Sinuiju Shoe Factory and the Sinuiju Cosmetics Factory, two of the city’s leading state-owned companies, they have nothing to make, so they started mobilizing their workers to things like manure production,” the source said.

“But the Central Committee [of the Korean Workers’ Party] is demanding that the results of the 80-day-battle are calculated and presented in cash, so the officials of the companies have no choice but to hand over cash assignments to their employees,” said the source.

As the already terrible North Korean economy got worse in 2020 due to the closure of the border with China due to COVID-19 concerns, factories stopped operating for lack of materials. The two Sinuiju factories ran out of materials by summer, so managers began requiring employees to pay cash so they could make their monthly production quotas.

“They had to pay 400 yuan [U.S. $61] every month, eating into their money from their side-jobs. But when this 80-day battle began, they raised the amount by 50 percent to 600 yuan [$92],” the source said.

North Koreans usually prefer to conduct all commerce in foreign currency like the Chinese yuan or U.S. dollar, because the domestic won is unstable and hard to convert because of low demand for it.

The amount that the factory workers are being asked to pay per month during the battle period is enough to buy roughly 133 kilograms (293 pounds) of rice, according to the latest North Korean commodity prices listed on the website of Asia Press, a Japan-based organization that specializes in North Korean news.

Another source, a resident of North Hamgyong province in the country’s northeast, confirmed to RFA last week that citizens there were also grumbling about the pointlessness of the 80-day battle.

“These days, the residents are strongly reacting against the 80-day battle because authorities don’t suggest what kind of work they should do, only telling them to make cash offerings,” the second source said.

“The authorities have mandated that not only factory workers, but also housewives should be mobilized in the 80-day battle. Housewives who do not want to be mobilized for work in rural areas or road restoration work need to pay cash in amounts mandated by the Socialist Women’s Union of Korea,” said the second source.

The North Hamgyong resident said that more and more housewives are avoiding mobilization because the weather is getting colder, but the Women’s Union is demanding 50 yuan ($7.64) from each housewife to be declared exempt.

“As a result, housewives are complaining that the 80-day battle was merely an excuse to squeeze cash out of the people. After starting up the useless 80-day battle, they are squeezing the blood out of residents who are already having trouble right now.”
 
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