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- Apr 1, 2017
Don't make Uncle Johnny get the belt, you prudish bitches.Time for a total change to this first edition design and the queen got the biggest change.
First of all...
Queen of the Spiders Re-Covered
Since all of you have absolutely now understanding of drow or drow society, my money is that you're going to fuck this up.We decided to try our hand at a combined redesign, where each of us picked a character in the same picture and redesigned them. And we thought this image, the cover of an old Dungeons and Dragons adventure called “Queen of the Spiders” would be a good candidate (blame for throwing it at us goes to @theoldhack).
Interesting bit, this was one of the prints for Mezzoberranzan, the Forgotten Realms boxed set for the drow of the underdark set.
TSR used this image about a dozen times.
NO NO FUCKING NO!This is where the infamous drow race is introduced,
The Drow were "Technically" introduced at the end of G3, an original monochrome module. That let to "Descent into the Depths of the Earth" D1 & D2, and then Vault of the Drow (D3), culminating in Q1 - Queen of the Demon Web Pits.
These people are 5E dipshits.
This shows your pig ignorance.
They were the baddest of the bad. Originally they were ebony in color (due to Underdark radiation and to adapt to the heat of being MILES below ground).
So, you don't know anything about the Drow or their society but think you're qualified to do anything more than shitty tumblr fan art to... oh, Tumblr site, carry on.Unfortunate. We decided to make them purple-skinned like they are in more modern lore.
At first Icy was a retard, then I joined her.At first, Icy thought the “queen” in the title referenced the lady in the middle there, but it’s actually one of the names for Lolth, the spider goddess whom the drow venerate, so…. We’re sure the drow on the cover are important mini-bosses somewhere in the adventure, probably, maybe.
So, they didn't even bother to read the adventure, know next to nothing about the drow, and think they can do this reboot.
Don't make me get the belt, you dangerhair prude.
It's one of my pet peeves when know nothing scolds come into my hobby and try to throw their weight around with "AS A WOMYN!" while fetishing retardation. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.Just gotta say that it’s a huge pet peeve of mine when (usually male) writers write a matriarchal society as, air quotes, “sexually liberated,” otherwise known as “an excuse to draw them in lingerie because I can’t imagine women’s bodies not catering to me personally in any scenario, while still drawing men in full body armor.” Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
So, you don't know WHY they dress like this, do you?
Sit down. Shut up.
Okay, so…. I’m not sure what she’s supposed to be… besides a swimsuit model, which maybe the drow do have. Is there a quest where the players go to the underground beach to play underground beach volleyball? Cause if not, why is she like that???
Now, if you knew the first thing about Drow, you'd know. But you don't, so you don't.
Lolth prizes sexuality, sensuality, beauty. Ugly drow, male and female, are killed. Full stop.
A black widow spider (Lolth's chosen avatar) is a deadly and beautiful thing, graceful and sleek, with minimal coloration. (Another reason the drow were ebony skinned, to resonate with Lolth's chosen avatar)
The 80's were very much "Flaunt it if you got it, fake it if you don't" with spandex tube tops, Daisy Duke shorts, and sexy was in. Jazzercise and morning exercise kept women from being land whales if they chose not to be.
The sexual revolution of the 70's and 80's had destigmatized the female body. Being sexy was empowerment.
Once again, ignorance.I decided to make her a mage (this was a 1st edition book, so that’s all we got).
She would be a Mage/Cleric at the least. Probably a Fighter/Magic User/Cleric or, if she was sneaky, a Magic User/Cleric/Thief.
The other thing is, it was somewhat of an unsaid nod that magic produced heat. Skimpy clothing was sometimes the only warning you got that they were about to drop enough magic firepower on you to make a paladin scream.
Oh, she could have also been an Illusionist/Druid since class restrictions for the drow weren't really known. A Fighter/Illusionist/Druid would WRECK THE PARTY.
But she doesn't really know 1E, so she's talking out her ass.
We get it, you're fat.I ended up changing…. everything, really. I think the only thing I didn’t change was her nose shape. It’s not my fault though, the redline for her original pose was an unsalvageable eldrich nightmare.
Next point.
She looks like an immature drow, and her modesty would make her a victim of more well endowed and confident drow.I gave her a more confident pose, more comfortable magic-user-friendly clothes (with the spider motif, cause spider god), and even different hair. The original hairdo just wasn’t doing it for me. I wanted her to look cool enough to have her own illustration in the book. She even has a little magic flame (mostly cause I didn’t know what to do with her hand lol)!
She'd end up a drider or dead.
That also doesn't go into Drow society and a big thing of dressing skimpy and without much clothing is saying "I don't need a knife up my sleeve to kill your heretic ass."
Oh, and the little flame in her hand? Yeah, I'm sure she'd just be chillin' with a flame in her hand, using up a first level spell, which she wouldn't have many of.
Christ, these people piss me off.
She just painted a target directly on her face, it adds nothing to picture and takes away from it.
You need knowledge of the drow, know that they wouldn't be caught dead, literally, dressed like that.Her hair didn’t quite turn out how I wanted it to, but overall, I think it’s a good redraw. She’s got lots of fun shapes, an actual color scheme, and an attitude. What else do we need?
I rate this a 2/10 only because you didn't shove the pen up your ass.
So now she looks fat, stupid, and her shoes are fucking travesties instead of good boots.The Queen
The composition was so awful that I had to actually largely re-do it by changing the third lady’s position from right to left and recreating large parts of the throne… some of which ended up covered by the main drow’s dress anyway (probably for the better).
Bitch about her outfit and then put those fucking sandals on her? Fucking sped.
So you made her fat and made the throne bigger.Speaking of which, boy was she hard to fix without just throwing everything away and starting over! First of all, the way she sits on the throne seems like a product of an alien who never experienced what a chair is… which might also explain the throne’s uncomfortable-looking design. I actually ended up giving it a bigger seat and more lumbar support.
You changed her pose because... holy shit, that fucking pose is not dynamic at all.
The clothing is shit. Nothing a drow would reasonably wear. Number one, in actual 1E AD&D there was a thing called "Somatic Components" which mean, you know, MOVEMENT. You stripped some of her magic items off of her, gave her shit someone could grab, and basically made her into a fat soccer mom sitting on an ugly chair.
In the redesign there is NO sense of menace or danger.
Any 1E party that ran into that group would be too busy laughing at them.0
These half-wits know nothing of Drow, 1E, the time period the picture was drawn, or what it is trying to convey.
I give their ending picture a 3/10 just because they managed to color in the lines and probably didn't choke on a random dick.