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Corn Flakes said:
So, from what I'm gathering here, it seems that FTMs are very often people who underwent a very awkward puberty, had their sexual education provided by Pornhub and their notions of romance and relationships forged by unhealthy fiction, were bullied at school, developed a very limited grasp of real world social dynamics, and are now LARPing being something else as a coping mechanism.
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I don't think it can be simplified that much, and I think the way you say this is kind of... downplaying the seriousness of what these girls and women are going through.

A massive number of trans-identified women and girls are victims of rape and sexual abuse. Even if they aren't, the statistics are fairly damning - the most charitable statistics show that one in five women will be a victim of rape in her lifetime (one in three is the more common statistic and more realistic, however); one in four women will be a victim of severe physical abuse at the hands of a male intimate partner, and even more will be victims of other forms of domestic abuse (such as emotional, financial, or reproductive abuse); one in seven women will be stalked by a (male) current or former intimate partner... I could go on all day. And these statistics are not hidden anymore, they're common knowledge. If you knew that was the fate of "women," wouldn't you be tempted to try to identify out of those statistics?

Meanwhile, studies show that boys are getting their sex ed from porn (typical age of first exposure to porn is now ~8 for boys), and are increasingly pressuring their girlfriends into performing degrading, humiliating, brutal sex acts like anal and choking at increasingly young ages. It has become common for teenage boys to pressure their girlfriends into enacting things they see in porn, and those things are not healthy, good or fun for the girls involved. And porn only becomes more brutal, degrading and humiliating by the day as more and more extreme forms of porn become common and accepted by the mainstream.

And that's not to mention, while we're talking about unhealthy ideas about heterosexual relationships, the fact that studies now show that women in heterosexual relationships still do a disproportionate amount of childcare and housework despite also being expected to work full-time jobs just like their husbands. Women who have children still take the career and earnings hit, rather than their husbands. Women are still expected to be the "primary parent" whose career is impacted by having to take off work when the kids are sick, be the ones to attend parent-teacher conferences and the like, pick up and drop off from daycare, and so on. The fact is that heterosexual relationships still are not equal.

And with the internet being what it is today, girls and women growing up now are aware of all of this. The information is readily at hand, if they happen to not personally experience it themselves.

It isn't just "unhealthy fiction" or porn that is making these girls and women believe that heterosexual romance and relationships aren't ideal - for women, they clearly very often aren't. (So it is very easy to idealize gay relationships, where these imbalances and statistics simply don't exist.) And then along comes the trans movement, and tells these women and girls who are (rightfully) put off by the idea of suffering all of the above that they don't have to be women, they don't have to be part of the group that suffers those things, if they "identify" as something else they won't have to deal with it. Of course that's attractive.

It's unrealistic, and it's terrible and built on the misogynistic idea that women who don't identify out of womanhood are okay with being treated badly, but the appeal is understandable.
 
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Crunchy Leaf said:
Why are these actual chads trooning out?
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Aviva's Biotech-Breakdown said:
Ah it's Chad troon! I missed him.
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Corn Flakes said:
I'll take "autogynephilia enabled and encouraged by r/traaaaaaaaaaans" for $500, Alex!
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cuddle striker said:
This is such a terrible waste of a perfectly decent man.
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I guess it's a good time to bring another little compilation, this time featuring Chad troons and including the aforementioned "Rebecca Anna Banana".

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Sourceress said:
I don't think it can be simplified that much, and I think the way you say this is kind of... downplaying the seriousness of what these girls and women are going through.

A massive number of trans-identified women and girls are victims of rape and sexual abuse. Even if they aren't, the statistics are fairly damning - the most charitable statistics show that one in five women will be a victim of rape in her lifetime (one in three is the more common statistic and more realistic, however); one in four women will be a victim of severe physical abuse at the hands of a male intimate partner, and even more will be victims of other forms of domestic abuse (such as emotional, financial, or reproductive abuse); one in seven women will be stalked by a (male) current or former intimate partner... I could go on all day. And these statistics are not hidden anymore, they're common knowledge. If you knew that was the fate of "women," wouldn't you be tempted to try to identify out of those statistics?

Meanwhile, studies show that boys are getting their sex ed from porn (typical age of first exposure to porn is now ~8 for boys), and are increasingly pressuring their girlfriends into performing degrading, humiliating, brutal sex acts like anal and choking at increasingly young ages. It has become common for teenage boys to pressure their girlfriends into enacting things they see in porn, and those things are not healthy, good or fun for the girls involved. And porn only becomes more brutal, degrading and humiliating by the day as more and more extreme forms of porn become common and accepted by the mainstream.

And that's not to mention, while we're talking about unhealthy ideas about heterosexual relationships, the fact that studies now show that women in heterosexual relationships still do a disproportionate amount of childcare and housework despite also being expected to work full-time jobs just like their husbands. Women who have children still take the career and earnings hit, rather than their husbands. Women are still expected to be the "primary parent" whose career is impacted by having to take off work when the kids are sick, be the ones to attend parent-teacher conferences and the like, pick up and drop off from daycare, and so on. The fact is that heterosexual relationships still are not equal.

And with the internet being what it is today, girls and women growing up now are aware of all of this. The information is readily at hand, if they happen to not personally experience it themselves.

It isn't just "unhealthy fiction" or porn that is making these girls and women believe that heterosexual romance and relationships aren't ideal - for women, they clearly very often aren't. (So it is very easy to idealize gay relationships, where these imbalances and statistics simply don't exist.) And then along comes the trans movement, and tells these women and girls who are (rightfully) put off by the idea of suffering all of the above that they don't have to be women, they don't have to be part of the group that suffers those things, if they "identify" as something else they won't have to deal with it. Of course that's attractive.

It's unrealistic, and it's terrible and built on the misogynistic idea that women who don't identify out of womanhood are okay with being treated badly, but the appeal is understandable.
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I look at r/detrans one in a while, and every poster there has one or more of BPD, autism, childhood sexual abuse, or peer-pressured lesbian. I wouldn't underestimate the cult-like recruiting and entrapment capabilities of TRAs either.
 
Obreon said:
We shouldn't ignore that most women already have male attention, and that this attention is often unwanted.
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Yeah, but it takes a real fucking weirdo to strip pieces off your arm and stitch it over your labia about it.
 
Corn Flakes said:
Fuck, one of the most common gags in sitcoms is the dad who thinks he has everything in hand, but ends up getting rescued by his wife when he inevitably gets everything wrong.
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Even then though that trope is still "Man has power and doesn't use it properly. Needs to be saved by woman." but the end result is never "And then mom was matriarch of the family". The men in those sitcoms still maintain their role as "family leader".

Crunchy Leaf said:
A juggalo is a fan of the band Insane Clown Posse. It’s a subculture that exists entirely among trailer trash.
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This I know, I'm just not familiar with their secret clown codes. I though "woop woop" was just a generic call until that other post pointed out it was a juggalo thing.

Obreon said:
We shouldn't ignore that most women already have male attention, and that this attention is often unwanted.
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I'm sure these dudes craving male attention would absolutely love being followed home and spat on by a tweeker who thinks he can buy sex from you for a cigarette butt.
 
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I can't remember if this has been discussed yet, but The Guardian posted an article to Twitter about a troon who claimed to become more emotional on HRT (x). Terfs were quick to point out that "Cadance" is not so innocent and has written about shoving tampons up his asshole:

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And just like clockwork, the troon plays the dysphoria card to deflect all criticism.
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From his asshole post
In my early teens I have no language for what a transgender person is. In high school in the 90’s there is only “gay” and you don’t want to be that, because anything uncool is “gay”. Like homework. Or a teacher telling you to pick up rubbish from the quad.

But there is this nagging feeling inside me that – oh man, I wish I could be a girl! Like many people who later transition, I am feasting on stories of forced feminization. Stories where unwitting school boys are kidnapped or sent to stay with strange aunties who make them wear dresses or submit them to strange scientific algo-squab-minators which turn them into girls.

The compulsion to experience a female puberty burns in me. It is as strong as the need for human companionship – but instead of wanting to be with another I desperately want to be with my true self.

This includes periods. And so, I regularly stuff my undies with sanitary pads. The rush of buying them in the store is exhilarating. I create stories, just in-case I’m interogated by a cashier – “Yeah, they’re for my… sister. Doesn’t every teenage boy buy their sister’s Libras? That’s a thing, right?” Once, I even cut my finger just so I could have some blood in my pad.

Eventually, I work up to tampons. I start with the brands I have seen in ads of the girlie magazines I have nicked from girls at school: Libra, U, Tampax. As there’s not enough holes in the front of the male crotch – well, holes big enough – the only place you can stick a tampon as a teenage boy is straight up your coight.

It is not delightful.

There’s a scene in South Park, when an alien species has hidden a radar dish inside Cartman’s anus, and it protudes from him to send signals to their home planet. When Kyle asks Cartman what it feels like when the satellite dish goes back inside him, Cartman says something like:

“You know when you take a really, really big relieving crap? Well it’s like that… backwards!”

This is kind of what it feels like to have a Tampon in your bottom. And brand matters. Some are pointy. Some have ridges. The best brand I’d ever used was Tampax Applicator Tampons – because they make insertion easier by using a little guiding shaft which looks like a nuclear launch silo.

I try to keep them in for several hours, changing them after 3-4 hours to avoid Toxic Shock Syndrome, as the little pamphlet in the tampon box says to do. But I rarely survive more than one change – making for a very short period, the envy of just about any cisgendered girl. More than anything though, I feel so ashamed. I am all different shades of wrong… I’m a teenage boy, shoving girl’s products in the wrong hole… because… why?

Plus they can really hurt when you sit down the wrong way.
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He also stole bras as a kid
It is a warm winter’s night (yeah… Queensland, where climate change goes to get high). I am fixated on something. I am lying on my stomach, gawking out the window with steely magpie eyes. Tonight, the clotheslines are filled with clothes and bedsheets and towels and bikinis and even a surfboard, laid across the lines. And there are bras. The plan began to perculate in my mind with an exhilerating rush. It was a feeling before it was a thought, something akin to… forged wholeness, perhaps.

I am outside, it is late.

I have a towel with me, to pretend I’ve fetched it from a line. Caravan parks aren’t places which get very dark; there are lights everywhere through the night. But there are shadows between the rows of holiday bungalows, dark pockets where misdeeds are done, and I am in one now. My heart is pounding, it feels irregular. I am aware of both everything and nothing, hyper-alert with adrenalin and blind with fear. There is no time be choosy – I grab the first bra I come across in the dark. It is wet still, large. I am not sure if I’m breathing as I scrunch it into a soggy ball and wrap it in my towel. Then I power-walk out of the shadows and back into our cabin, the journey a heavy blur. I check at the sliding doorway if there is anyone in the living area; it is empty, everyone has gone to bed. I rush into the bathroom, lock the door, freeze… breathe… breathe….

The bra is actually a crop top – it has green and blue horizontal stripes, with massive cups. It is old; the fabric is tatty, has lost structure. As lucky dips go, it is a fucking wet dud. I put it on anyway – it feels almost slimey, and its disgusting against my skin. It is miles too big for me, hangs off me with an emaciated sigh, dropping down and dripping soapy water on my toes. I become nothing but disappointment and shame. There is no wholeness here, I feel – lessened, diminished.
(For some weird reason he spends multiple paragraphs describing the smell of his mom's fart filling their car. Don't read the whole thing unless you enjoy being grossed out.)
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Your Local Neko Girl GF said:
The horrors of dating a troon part 5685:
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On one hand at least they have sense to say it's abusive and she needs to leave but it's funny to see them say that 'Don't blame it on T' when she states that's what was the catalyst. ' High testosterone levels or an increase in basal concentrations are associated with aggressive manifestations ' it's what Testosterone does. It's a hormone that causes aggression because males are meant to be aggressors/aggressive, the hunter-gatherer. It's literally how humans evolved. You can't disconnect biological reality of testosterone's purpose just because you want it to be so. FTM are probably even more at risk of it being an issue because they don't have a natural ebb and flow of hormones, it's constantly kept artificially high.

If it looks like a duck. Quacks like a duck. It's a duck.
 
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