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The problem is that there will always be conflict between lesbian/gnc/detrans/autistic women (who I would say as a group make up a disproportionate amount of feminist groups and always have) and normative feminine heterosexual women, inasmuch as the latter can’t help themselves from trying to enforce gender roles. I’ve seen posts from straight mothers talking about their 12 year old daughters trooning out and it’s clear that the mothers do not understand or respect a lack of interest in participation in gender conforming behavior. This is also why most so called ‘terfs’ are not radfems, because true radfems do not support performing feminine behavior like wearing makeup. I’ve been on their sites so I know.
 
Crunchy Leaf said:
The problem is that there will always be conflict between lesbian/gnc/detrans/autistic women (who I would say as a group make up a disproportionate amount of feminist groups and always have) and normative feminine heterosexual women, inasmuch as the latter can’t help themselves from trying to enforce gender roles. I’ve seen posts from straight mothers talking about their 12 year old daughters trooning out and it’s clear that the mothers do not understand or respect a lack of interest in participation in gender conforming behavior. This is also why most so called ‘terfs’ are not radfems, because true radfems do not support performing feminine behavior like wearing makeup. I’ve been on their sites so I know.
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While I agree to a certain extent, I just want to point out that radfems typically don't have any problem with women choosing to engage in practices like wearing makeup, they just acknowledge that it is due to societal expectations and gender roles and that it isn't feminist activism. In other words, they reject that whole liberal feminism "eyeliner so sharp it could kill a man" BS. A lot of women, especially straight women who are very invested in performing/adhering to gender roles, take offense to this and think it's an insult, but it's just a statement of fact - it's not pro-feminism or "empowering" for women to perform restrictive, oppressive gender roles. That doesn't mean you can never do it, or that it's wrong to do it, but you can't do it and pretend you're doing something amazingly feminist.

I think a lot of straight feminists can be very... sensitive about this sort of thing. Not all of them (#notallstraightfeminists?). But I have noticed a significant amount of straight feminists are very insecure because they feel the need to perform gender roles in the course of engaging in heterosexual dating norms (ie to attract straight men), but they also want to feel like "good feminists" whose actions are benefiting all women. (This is influenced by liberal feminism, of course, because libfeminism is intensely individualistic and focuses on the individual actions of individual women and the idea that anything a woman does, so long as it makes her "feel good" (whatever that means) is feminist activism and "empowering".)

Basically what radfems are saying is, "You're free to wear makeup, but we don't believe it is empowering or liberating for women to do it, and we acknowledge that the reason women feel the need to wear makeup is due to societal gender roles that are pushed on women from birth," but what the gender-conforming straight women are hearing is "You can't wear makeup, you're a disgrace to all women and you're not a feminist if you wear makeup" which is... not what anyone is saying.
 
Sourceress said:
Maybe I'm wrong and I missed something big on GC, but frankly "man-hating" when referring to feminists is such a massive dogwhistle at this point that I can't take that on faith.
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I wouldn't call it man-hating, it was more along the lines of 'never try to defend men ever' (no 'not my Nigel'), straight women crying about how they cannot trust men ever again and people replying 'you are better off without them'. And maybe some salty lesbians who don't want to talk about men at all. It was all a bit stupid and sad, but probably not really hate.

Anyway, RIP GC and all. We should go back to laughing about troons, though.
 
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That's what makes the "Actually listening to trans people" argument so hilarious. I used to be a total handmaiden myself until I saw a huge "Why won't lesbians date me but Bi women will?" incel manifesto on tumblr written by a troon called Plaidos. That post made me raise an eyebrow and eventually led me to reading the replies by radfem blogs and everything just clicked.
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It's funny, I used to be all up in arms for trans rights and shit but I kept getting more and more curious because they constantly screech about how bad and evil TERFs are but never explain why outside of "transphobia! Literally killing transwimmen! Evil!!" Et al.
So I ended up making a side blog and started sifting through "terf" blogs and shit and...well here I am now.
The terves have a lot of receipts of troons being fucking gross to lesbians/women in general/ their gross creepy child fetishes
The troons have...some women saying men can't be women. Yeah. Blah blah literally murdering them in the street, hundreds of transwimmen dying every year, whatever.
Didnt take long to peak, probably why they're so vehement on keeping people away from reading up on the "terven cult" lmao
 
Der weiße Teufel said:
I wouldn't call it man-hating, it was more along the lines of 'never try to defend men ever' (no 'not my Nigel'), straight women crying about how they cannot trust men ever again and people replying 'you are better off without them'. And maybe some salty lesbians who don't want to talk about men at all. It was all a bit stupid and sad, but probably not really hate.

Anyway, RIP GC and all. We should go back to laughing about troons, though.
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That's not man-hating at all, though. Why are people trying to characterize it that way? Of course a feminist group doesn't want someone barging into every thread about rapists and murderers of women with "but my husband would never", it's honestly ridiculous that it happens in the first place. And there should be outlets for straight women who have been hurt by men to express that hurt and be validated, which is what those threads ("straight women crying about how they cannot trust men ever again and people replying 'you are better off without them'.) are all about. It's not about going "oh all men are evil and disgusting", it's a woman who has been seriously hurt and/or betrayed by a man complaining about it and expressing her wariness to jump back into relationships with men because of it, and other women assuring her that she doesn't need to be in a relationship and that it might be best if she takes a break until she's healed. Jeez. Some people are just so desperate to see "man-hating" in feminist groups that they'll just twist whatever they can tbh.
 
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I went to transpassing and sorted by controversial.
 
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Imagine being the lawyer. You spend years of your life and tens of thousands of dollars on college and law school and then put in so much effort on so many cases only to get a case where the client shows up to court looking like that. Hopefully the judge had the good sense to order him to stay 500 yards away from his kid at all times.
 
wry wrangler said:
Imagine being the lawyer. You spend years of your life and tens of thousands of dollars on college and law school and then put in so much effort on so many cases only to get a case where the client shows up to court looking like that. Hopefully the judge had the good sense to order him to stay 500 yards away from his kid at all times.
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He posted this on legaladvice yesterday.
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Trailer trash tranny.
 
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He posted this on legaladvice yesterday.
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Trailer trash tranny.
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How nice that this white trash tranny finally figured out he was a really woman on the inside after fathering three(!) children in two years. I'd say that I hope his wife takes him to the cleaners, but I doubt there's much to be gained by doing so.

Also, the more I look at him the more he looks like bargain bin Zinnia Jones. Separated at birth?
 
Dr. Studman M.D. said:
Tranny majoring in sociology yells at physically disabled woman to get a job.

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>my brother asked her out to dance, but only out of pity!
>he started dating her, but only because he's too well-behaved to dump her!
>he married her, but only because he's just too much of a nice guy to say no!
>she's in a wheelchair and still helps him on his business, but actually she's never doing anything and she's just a lazy fuck!

lmao this is hyper cope
you can tell that this troon is turbo butthurt and super jealous of wheelchair girl
 
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This one reminds me of a skinny Yaniv without the lopsided stroke face in the second pic
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4'11 why even bother :story: Looking pretty downsy too
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Its because you're male

13 yrs old (:_( Why aren't the adults in their lives out hunting down whoever is diddling them?!
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Senpai noticed me. :heart-full: But which one of you "reached out" to Joe Lavery to apologize for your behavior on the Farms?
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I'm actually surprised this is the first time he has mentioned this thread in an effort to gin up some sympathy compliments from his Twitter followers. Make an account, Joe!

He's also talking about an "ENORMOUS gossip thread" about himself and Mallory on Reddit, in which he claims hundreds of people were calling him "bitch" and "cunt."
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He can only be referring to this thread or this thread from the subreddit /r/blogsnark. I did not recall anyone calling Lavery "bitch" or "cunt" so I reviewed the threads. Yep, he's lying, and the threads were very tightly moderated. He probably gets off on imagining that the overwhelmingly female-dominated users of /r/blogsnark think of him as a woman enough to call him a bitch/cunt.

While reviewing the threads I was reminded of a Lavery moment that seems especially unpleasant now that we know the context of Mallory's estrangement drama. Lavery and Mallory find out that Mallory's brother is a pedo in close contact with kids at a church. Lavery and Mallory privately take the first steps to expose the pedo and remove him from his trusted position with children. Lavery makes a ton of vague Twitter posts about all the delicious drama swirling around him. Then he publicly gloats about all the new subscribers to his paid blog:
I wanted to write something short to acknowledge and thank all the people who subscribed to the newsletter yesterday. The rush took me by surprise. For the last five months, the number of Stage Mirror subscribers has been basically steady - losing two or three one day, gaining two or three the next. But then yesterday literally hundreds of people became paid subscribers, and hundreds more signed up for the free material. Nothing like this has happened since the day I launched The Stage Mirror back in February. I am very grateful for this, and it has had me thinking about how we model community, in our lives and in our worlds.
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New trannie arthouse film, unintentionally-ironically titled "A Perfectly Normal Family":


The filmmaker is a cis woman whose father trooned out when she was 11 in the 1990s, so the movie is partially autobiographical:


Why do these people always pretend like it's less traumatizing for cis people to watch a close family member troon out in 2020 than it was in the 1990s? Anyways, the TRAs are going to cancel her obviously because she's a cis woman making a movie about trannies and that's no longer allowed. Eventhough it's based on her own experiences, they don't give a fuck. Cis perspectives on witnessing transitions are not allowed, only trans people are allowed to make movies about transitioning.
 
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