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[heyitsmike]

They're playing the long game. They know they can't beat Trump now so they're making sure that everyone who researches his presidency in the future sees their articles and thinks "Well obviously he was a Russian puppet. These totally credible news sources told me so!"

I think you give them too much credit. They can barely plan out six months ahead, let alone decades ahead.

They're saying it because they've convinced themselves it's true and/or they're wishcasting and so badly want to believe it's true.

 

[Flexo]

I honestly don't believe he was elected based on Affirmative Action at all, but I do believe there were some people who were guilt-tripped into voting for him because no one wants to be called racist by some random crazy person bringing it up out of the blue, and surely it didn't help that's the altar he was being lifted on by the media creaming themselves over the thought. The DNC itself, though, I'm sure had to pick their poison apple in the basket of Affirmative Action, and so it was either gonna be a black man or a white woman continuing on a presidential dynasty--well, Americans were getting tired of dynasties. Still are tired of dynasties.

The DNC really just played itself. Put all their eggs in one basket, I suppose.

Earlier, some younger Kiwis were mentioning stories of what it was like to be in school when Obama was being elected, and I honestly have a hard time remembering what it was like for me since I had been too busy focusing on school work and wondering what to do after graduation, so I hadn't paid attention to the buzz going around (I'm sure some students were excited at the thought). What I can tell you is that that was actually the year when I started noticing "race" for the first time. Like, as an actual concept I was noticing it when I didn't before (even during history lessons) because race was always brought up whenever Obama was being talked about and why it was such an important milestone to America's history that we vote in a black man into office. I remember thinking the whole election year "Why is everybody caring about this? Why are we making skin color such a big deal?" because I actually live someplace diverse, and ever since I was born I've always had diverse family members, neighbors, and friends and classmates, people of multiple colors were in every cartoon and show I watched, and I had never noticed everything around me was so diverse because it wasn't something I had ever cared to notice until the TVs and radios kept making it a big deal that it was hard to not notice. Hell, I didn't realize being black was an actual thing because darker-colored people were just brown to me no matter what because I thought they were just outside in the sun more than me.

So basically, 2008 was my "wake up call" or something like that in realizing there's such a thing as race. And that's when racial tension came to my attention, and I honestly have no idea if it was always that bad (social stuff going on in the '90s was something I had to learn about in hindsight), or if it actually got worse because Obama getting elected meant you couldn't even yawn in the direction of a television with his face on it without being called a racist. It's why I wonder if he was allowed to have the leeway of doing anything or not at all by the basis of him being scrutinized based on the color of his skin and not by his own works and beliefs.

That's why i said a "parable" of it, not the actual AA.

 

[Garm]

So, anyone going to talk about this?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rose-mcgowan-accuses-bill-maher-of-sexually-harassing-her-about-his-huge-c-says-she-could-feel-his-hot-breath

Bill isn't doing very good on his track record, between the whole two faced metoo and wishing for a recession. OOf

This is why I don't worry too much about a civil war. The liberals would spend so much time drawing up committees to ensure "diversity" only to turn on each other once it was established.

An army of liberals would be a civil war of its own.

When this pandemic is over, you think politicians (Trump, Republicans, and Democrats) will rely on science experts to run the show?

As long as the word "expert" has that magic tone to normal people, yes. If people ever realize an "expert" can be wrong and are just humans, then we would stop giving so much weight to experts.

But we live in a technocracy so that won't change.

I honestly don't believe he was elected based on Affirmative Action at all, but I do believe there were some people who were guilt-tripped into voting for him because no one wants to be called racist by some random crazy person bringing it up out of the blue, and surely it didn't help that's the altar he was being lifted on by the media creaming themselves over the thought. The DNC itself, though, I'm sure had to pick their poison apple in the basket of Affirmative Action, and so it was either gonna be a black man or a white woman continuing on a presidential dynasty--well, Americans were getting tired of dynasties. Still are tired of dynasties.

The DNC really just played itself. Put all their eggs in one basket, I suppose.

Earlier, some younger Kiwis were mentioning stories of what it was like to be in school when Obama was being elected, and I honestly have a hard time remembering what it was like for me since I had been too busy focusing on school work and wondering what to do after graduation, so I hadn't paid attention to the buzz going around (I'm sure some students were excited at the thought). What I can tell you is that that was actually the year when I started noticing "race" for the first time. Like, as an actual concept I was noticing it when I didn't before (even during history lessons) because race was always brought up whenever Obama was being talked about and why it was such an important milestone to America's history that we vote in a black man into office. I remember thinking the whole election year "Why is everybody caring about this? Why are we making skin color such a big deal?" because I actually live someplace diverse, and ever since I was born I've always had diverse family members, neighbors, and friends and classmates, people of multiple colors were in every cartoon and show I watched, and I had never noticed everything around me was so diverse because it wasn't something I had ever cared to notice until the TVs and radios kept making it a big deal that it was hard to not notice. Hell, I didn't realize being black was an actual thing because darker-colored people were just brown to me no matter what because I thought they were just outside in the sun more than me.

So basically, 2008 was my "wake up call" or something like that in realizing there's such a thing as race. And that's when racial tension came to my attention, and I honestly have no idea if it was always that bad (social stuff going on in the '90s was something I had to learn about in hindsight), or if it actually got worse because Obama getting elected meant you couldn't even yawn in the direction of a television with his face on it without being called a racist. It's why I wonder if he was allowed to have the leeway of doing anything or not at all by the basis of him being scrutinized based on the color of his skin and not by his own works and beliefs.

When Obama was elected it did feel like a watershed moment, like "holy shit, this is huge." But looking back now it just seems like he was a propaganda piece. Like what Lyndon B Johnson said about the Civil Rights amendment.

They would install Obama, The establishment would handle the the rest and he would be considered a success as long as he didn't get us nuked. For a generation Democrats would be able to point to Obama and tell minorities that Dems were "progressive."

Problems arose when they went for the double play and tried to get a woman elected. They were clearly too high on their own farts for that reach.

I do want to return to a general state of colorblind, which I feel we had around the late 90s to early 00s.

I grew up as the exact target demographic for something like Captain Planet. One of the things I remember about that show is that the show didn't really care about the cast's races despite being explicitly global. When the writers did bother to do backstory episodes they showed why the culture was good - and bad. As an example, Wheeler had a drunk dad that beat him but had a loyal street gang of friends. The show didn't disconnect the cultures from how they operated, nor did they refrain from showing how your personal responsibility was key to your good future.

For all its faults (and there were many) and the hokey writing (we're talking Thundercats levels of cringe) the general storylines in Captain Planet were executed well.

Shows like Captain Planet, Sonic the Hedgehog, TMNT, and X-Men also dealt with an important concept that seems absent in today's kids media: being different is simultaneously okay and irrelevant. The differences in physical form weren't what made a person. Acceptance isn't celebration, it's goddamn boredom.

Nowadays there's garbage like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, and the She-Ra reboot occupying an overwhelming part of pop culture, where superficial form, orientation, and color differences matter way more than ideological and personality differences do.

If you look at this era of showmaking, it all started vaguely around when Obama became commander-in-chief. I'm not going to say it's his fault, because it's not; rather, it's the heightened consciousness that everyone put on his skin color. This collective "oh my GOD he's BLACK" seeped into pop culture and honestly infected everything; the people that grew up on this toxicity have now become adults and are running rampant.

The most prominent example I can think of for how this has affected entertainment for adult viewers was in the show The 100. The show opens after the near-extinction of the human race. One character managed to be an extremely prolific sword fighter and leader of a huge union of tribes, essentially the POTUS of what remained of humanity. She also happened to be a lesbian. It was pretty well done, the occasional romance here or there, not really in your face or shown more than others in the show. She unexpectedly died near the end of season 3. Well, that was just going too damn far. In a show that featured off-screen nuclear deaths of 7 billion people and the on-screen graphic deaths of hundreds of others, killing the one random lesbian broke the internet. Suddenly, this was a #BuryYourGays moment and a travesty because surely the lesbian wouldn't be treated as an equal on this show. no no no, she should have been spared because reasons. It wasn't like it was mentioned once and never brought up again. The consequences of her death actually directly shaped the rest of the season plus the next one, and still has vestigial components today. It was an important story point that was well executed but none of that matters because of muh diversity.

The diversity quotas just make everything so much more annoying.

I want to say that the SJW stuff in media is partially late stage capitalism. They are looking for some hot new market to exploit. Most accountants would look at the returns on these shows and tell show runners to cut this shit out unless there was some outside reason.

My reasoning is that these companies all have shareholders that want more money or they have debts that need to be paid. So you have to keep finding new markets to bring new customers in.

Unfortunately corporations don't understand social media while at the same time social media has amplified the woke left and their culture. Corporations hear all this commotion and think "there are millions of people" so they tailor their newer products to these people. If the old fans get upset they can just stick to the old stuff.

Now corporations are realizing these Twitter warriors don't buy their products nor have any money thereby making this all wasted effort.

Hopefully Corona Virus causes several corporations to clean house.

 

[Farmer Bodangle]

Some mothers day TDS.

It's like watching a small dog bark at everything that passes by a small crack in the fence lmao.

 

[OnlyFacingRear]

I do want to return to a general state of colorblind, which I feel we had around the late 90s to early 00s.

I grew up as the exact target demographic for something like Captain Planet. One of the things I remember about that show is that the show didn't really care about the cast's races despite being explicitly global. When the writers did bother to do backstory episodes they showed why the culture was good - and bad. As an example, Wheeler had a drunk dad that beat him but had a loyal street gang of friends. The show didn't disconnect the cultures from how they operated, nor did they refrain from showing how your personal responsibility was key to your good future.

For all its faults (and there were many) and the hokey writing (we're talking Thundercats levels of cringe) the general storylines in Captain Planet were executed well.

Shows like Captain Planet, Sonic the Hedgehog, TMNT, and X-Men also dealt with an important concept that seems absent in today's kids media: being different is simultaneously okay and irrelevant. The differences in physical form weren't what made a person. Acceptance isn't celebration, it's goddamn boredom.

Nowadays there's garbage like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, and the She-Ra reboot occupying an overwhelming part of pop culture, where superficial form, orientation, and color differences matter way more than ideological and personality differences do.

If you look at this era of showmaking, it all started vaguely around when Obama became commander-in-chief. I'm not going to say it's his fault, because it's not; rather, it's the heightened consciousness that everyone put on his skin color. This collective "oh my GOD he's BLACK" seeped into pop culture and honestly infected everything; the people that grew up on this toxicity have now become adults and are running rampant.

The most prominent example I can think of for how this has affected entertainment for adult viewers was in the show The 100. The show opens after the near-extinction of the human race. One character managed to be an extremely prolific sword fighter and leader of a huge union of tribes, essentially the POTUS of what remained of humanity. She also happened to be a lesbian. It was pretty well done, the occasional romance here or there, not really in your face or shown more than others in the show. She unexpectedly died near the end of season 3. Well, that was just going too damn far. In a show that featured off-screen nuclear deaths of 7 billion people and the on-screen graphic deaths of hundreds of others, killing the one random lesbian broke the internet. Suddenly, this was a #BuryYourGays moment and a travesty because surely the lesbian wouldn't be treated as an equal on this show. no no no, she should have been spared because reasons. It wasn't like it was mentioned once and never brought up again. The consequences of her death actually directly shaped the rest of the season plus the next one, and still has vestigial components today. It was an important story point that was well executed but none of that matters because of muh diversity.

The diversity quotas just make everything so much more annoying.

I'd like to stop your speg session right here and call bullshit. There is no way you had any idea that they were pushing 'its okay to be different'. It was a fucking cartoon. You turned it on, watched it and went about your day after that.

Fire up Netflix and log into a kids account. Every cartoon is with different colored people/monsters/cats/dogs/whatever. That idea is still being pushed in kids cartoons.

 

[Flexo]

Most of the messages were good, but it also had a lot of extreme climate propaganda and poz in it for the era. It was insanely anti-nuclear and anti-petroleum.

I still remember the "after episode" message: "So if you have a family, keep it small."

I was fresh out of the factory at the time so I didn't really understand things and felt horrified because I'm like "how?"

 

[Tactical Wizard]

There was an old saying in the online political circles I used to frequent: The bookies always know. That's why I don't believe the articles saying Biden is leading in swing states and I'm thinking a lot could be read into California bringing in mail in voting.

California will not have any more or less appreciable affect on the presidential election than it already does. The state already goes blue reliably anyway. The only point in implementing/cranking up a voter fraud scheme would be to affect internal politics.

 

[General Disarray]

I think you give them too much credit. They can barely plan out six months ahead, let alone decades ahead.

They're saying it because they've convinced themselves it's true and/or they're wishcasting and so badly want to believe it's true.

I can see what the other poster is saying though. You know, "history is written by the victors?" They want to set themselves up as such so they are on the "Right Side of History," so that even sans victory, public sentiment will be perceived as "they were still right!"

 

[TowinKarz]

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He has aged poorly. He looks like he's about five fishmeals away from exiting his cave and ranting about his precious legacy.

He's the only President I've known who not only aged poorly in office, but has continued to age at an accelerated rate once leaving despite nobody really talking about him. Carter left in almost total disgrace, and was spry enough to still be jogging and swinging a hammer on a job site into his 80's without looking cadaverous since he'd moved on from that part of his life... but Barry must be spending every waking hour worrying to keep getting that grey.... worrying about his disintegrating legacy and his inability to put it back together....

When Obama was elected it did feel like a watershed moment, like "holy shit, this is huge." But looking back now it just seems like he was a propaganda piece. Like what Lyndon B Johnson said about the Civil Rights amendment.

They would install Obama, The establishment would handle the the rest and he would be considered a success as long as he didn't get us nuked. For a generation Democrats would be able to point to Obama and tell minorities that Dems were "progressive."

Problems arose when they went for the double play and tried to get a woman elected. They were clearly too high on their own farts for that reach.

Good point, the fact Barry is slowly going to pieces is probably his realizing he was a pawn for everyone. They didn't elect him for who he was, just what boxes he checked off. The first black President.... was nothing but a slave, to his own side's PR. That bulletproof press adulation must've felt great at the time, but now he can see it for what it was: what it really made him: Star of the DNC minstrel show.... "Lookie at our Darkie! Ain't he grand? Now, back us with your votes forever because now you can be progressive too!" How bitterly ironic.

I can see what the other poster is saying though. You know, "history is written by the victors?" They want to set themselves up as such so they are on the "Right Side of History," so that even sans victory, public sentiment will be perceived as "they were still right!"

Eh, not quite.

History is written by historians, and that's the problem, nobody likes to read those dull, academic history books. Just nodding as Grandpa says "DRumpf was the worst of all time, lemme tell ya, he wanted us all locked in cages" and accepting that without fact-checking (Grandpa wouldn't lie) is what creates the foggy narrative-centric history most people live under.

 

[CWCchange]

U mad, angry Happy Meal box?

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I rewatched most of my childhood favorites relatively recently with my kids. Yes there is unquestionably a nostalgia tint. I can also recognize that there is a distinct difference in the writing quality between 90s toons and those in the last decade. The shows dealt with darker material.

Captain Planet's pilot episode opened with the aftermath of a nuclear meltdown.
Sonic opened with a handful of rebels in a dismal world already enslaved by Robotnik.
etc

As an adult I observed that they were pushing 'it's okay to be different' by having the characters just be different and not bother addressing it. So no, as a kid I had no idea. That's the point: to just not care about the differences. By contrast, shows today play the diversity angle up to an absurdly overt degree.

I'm assuming your own sperging didn't allow for the possibility of syndicated television or pirated videos.

 

[Shield Breaker]

I still think it's amazing how hard the Civil Rights Movement and Martin Luther King Jr.'s advocating to "judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" has been torpedoed to ashes at this point because history's not going to see Obama as anything other than just the first black man to become the U.S. President, and literally, that is always the first thing people point out, proving this was always a race issue that they politicized to hell and back. Outside of watching shows and movies and reading comic books that came out during his presidency to even remember he was president, they can't really look back at his legacy because he doesn't have one now, unless they want to get into the social issues going on under him at the time, but what current year history book is going to delve into that? He can barely even be called the "sitting duck" president like with Herbert Hoover (of which it wasn't his fault), although I remember him being called one during his second term.

I don't think people want to admit to this at all, but I'm thinking the "shattering of the glass ceiling" or whatever it goes for minorities to be the leader of the free world as a testament of how far we've come has been pushed back a good generation or two. As long as race continues to be made an issue, there's a chance we'll never see another black president, let alone a woman, in our lifetime (or at least not until we have more old, grumpy Kiwis), or until everyone suddenly goes blind and therefore can't judge by the color of one's skin anymore. Probably have a better chance of a Hispanic or Asian (but they're white now) to become President than we do another black President.

Thanks, Obama.

To go back to an earlier discussion, this is one of the reasons I don't feel like Obama would ever see the inside of a jail cell. Someone, be it on the grand jury or actual trial jury is going to stop and realize the optics of putting the first black president in prison and nope out. The DNC and the media would also stir up the hood rats so bad it would make Ferguson look mild by comparison. Too many black people still think of Obama as 'one of ours' even though he's a rich asshole like every other Washington insider.

Sorry if this is a 'black pill' but I feel like it's the reality of the situation.

 

[Maamtis]

This is why I don't worry too much about a civil war. The liberals would spend so much time drawing up committees to ensure "diversity" only to turn on each other once it was established.

An army of liberals would be a civil war of its own.



As long as the word "expert" has that magic tone to normal people, yes. If people ever realize an "expert" can be wrong and are just humans, then we would stop giving so much weight to experts.

But we live in a technocracy so that won't change.



When Obama was elected it did feel like a watershed moment, like "holy shit, this is huge." But looking back now it just seems like he was a propaganda piece. Like what Lyndon B Johnson said about the Civil Rights amendment.

They would install Obama, The establishment would handle the the rest and he would be considered a success as long as he didn't get us nuked. For a generation Democrats would be able to point to Obama and tell minorities that Dems were "progressive."

Problems arose when they went for the double play and tried to get a woman elected. They were clearly too high on their own farts for that reach.




I want to say that the SJW stuff in media is partially late stage capitalism. They are looking for some hot new market to exploit. Most accountants would look at the returns on these shows and tell show runners to cut this shit out unless there was some outside reason.

My reasoning is that these companies all have shareholders that want more money or they have debts that need to be paid. So you have to keep finding new markets to bring new customers in.

Unfortunately corporations don't understand social media while at the same time social media has amplified the woke left and their culture. Corporations hear all this commotion and think "there are millions of people" so they tailor their newer products to these people. If the old fans get upset they can just stick to the old stuff.

Now corporations are realizing these Twitter warriors don't buy their products nor have any money thereby making this all wasted effort.

Hopefully Corona Virus causes several corporations to clean house.

I think we'll see companies having to abandon woke culture or die in the post Coronavirus world. Sadly Disney seems to be choosing death in this situation. In the past week I've read that they're going ahead with that female centric Star Wars series, doing an all female POTC reboot and looking at bringing Ironheart to MCU.

 

[TowinKarz]

To go back to an earlier discussion, this is one of the reasons I don't feel like Obama would ever see the inside of a jail cell. Someone, be it on the grand jury or actual trial jury is going to stop and realize the optics of putting the first black president in prison and nope out. The DNC and the media would also stir up the hood rats so bad it would make Ferguson look mild by comparison. Too many black people still think of Obama as 'one of ours' even though he's a rich asshole like every other Washington insider.

Sorry if this is a 'black pill' but I feel like it's the reality of the situation.

White people "Noping" at the prospect of convicting Black Jeebus would be the ONLY reason, modern Hood Rats don't give a crap about Obama anymore if he's not the one signing the gibs checks and even if the media DID try to rile them up, they wouldn't listen. They'd only have to rile up the guilt of the average suburban Democrat enough to guarantee any random selection of 12 people would include one of them firmly in the "I won't be racist and convict a black man, no matter what".

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

To go back to an earlier discussion, this is one of the reasons I don't feel like Obama would ever see the inside of a jail cell. Someone, be it on the grand jury or actual trial jury is going to stop and realize the optics of putting the first black president in prison and nope out. The DNC and the media would also stir up the hood rats so bad it would make Ferguson look mild by comparison. Too many black people still think of Obama as 'one of ours' even though he's a rich asshole like every other Washington insider.

Sorry if this is a 'black pill' but I feel like it's the reality of the situation.

I've seen a lot of chatter on MAGA Twitter about getting Trump to pardon Obama while crucifying 44's cronies, on the basis that prosecuting a former president is bad for the country. I wasn't alive for Nixon so there's some clear contemporary bias here, but I think that this scandal blows virtually every other one in American presidential history out of the water. To my understanding even the formation Confederacy was a rather overt FU and riding off into the sunset with half a country.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I think the "best move" with regards to taking out Obama would be to go after every one of his cronies and just leave him alone.

 

[tehpope]

Oh yeah, Michael Jackson died on election year. That was everywhere, too, honestly forgot about that being the big thing that year next to the election. Everything just blends together after a while.

MJ died in June 2009, months after Obama was elected. Election was 2008.

 

[TowinKarz]

I've seen a lot of chatter on MAGA Twitter about getting Trump to pardon Obama while crucifying 44's cronies, on the basis that prosecuting a former president is bad for the country. I wasn't alive for Nixon so there's some clear contemporary bias here, but I think that this scandal blows virtually every other one in American presidential history out of the water.

I think the "best move" with regards to taking out Obama would be to go after every one of his cronies and just leave him alone.

It's more important to convict the rank-and-file anyway, IMHO. As powerful as the President is, corruption at that level requires a horde of Yes-men or co-conspirators to pull off.

If THEY know they're going to jail even if what they did stays hidden until years later, they'll be less inclined to do the bidding of a corrupt Chief Executive who tradition demands not be prosecuted if he manages to keep scandal tamped down enough to get out of office ahead of it. I kinda am okay with the soft "diplomatic immunity" model where you don't prosecute ex-Presidents, and only have impeachment to deal with alleged crimes while in power.

The President isn't above the law, but let's be real, the power vested in them means for the time they hold the office it's unreasonable and unrealistic to think their legal status should be the same as a common citizen. That period of their life should remain encapsulated as outside the bounds of typical prosecution. (Typical not meaning "any" but, like I said, if he's fucked up bad enough, impeach him, and if you can't, then too bad, you lose the chance). No President should have to live under the constant shadow of endless and purely political post-office revenge prosecutions when they're just back to being a "regular" guy.

Look at what they did to Trump WHILE in office with the impeachment farce, a duly elected President they don't like who they lacked the political capital to stop? Solution: throw him out with only a flimsy legal justification that is turning out to have been built on lies anyway, Tell me removing the existing unofficial post-office protections would not cause Banana Republic-level chaos like that to continue forever.

Every President would not only be permanently embattled while in office, but likely making decisions based not on the needs of the Republic but on appeasing those who are already plotting to be waiting outside the White House on inauguration day to slap the cuffs on him for rinky-dink charges that exist only to make him miserable in perpetuity after his term(S) for keeping them out of power for the last 4/8 years....

Not prosecuting a departing President for things done IN said Presidency is a necessary evil to keep the system functional. Because surely you can imagine the wild abuse you invite otherwise.

If he dodged impeachment, or none was even tried, then that's it... party's over, everyone drive home safely.

It's the same reason I'm fine with Supreme Court Justices serving for life, no one in charge of the integrity of the very law itself should have to worry about polls while making their decisions or being at the mercy of a single prosecutoral body that has a hate-on for them and is itching for a pretense to remove them with process level crimes being the justifacation, not the cause.

 

[Pampered Degenerate]

I think the "best move" with regards to taking out Obama would be to go after every one of his cronies and just leave him alone.

Right. It makes little practical difference, particularly given that he was mostly a pawn, but prosecuting him would just be giving the wokists a martyr.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Right. It makes little practical difference, particularly given that he was mostly a pawn, but prosecuting him would just be giving the wokists a martyr.

Going after Obama doesn't send the right message, the message of "if you are complicit in treason and scumfuckery you will go to prison" that going after the linemen. But if there's no punishment for the enablers and yes-men then nothing will ever change.