Assassin's Creed Valhalla - WE WUZ VIKANGS

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Amaranth said:
assassin's creed stopped being about assassins doing assassin shit a long time ago, the series needs a name change at this point, but this seems like it could be real fun
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They should link up with The History Channel, they're about the same level of historical accuracy.
 
Guts Gets Some said:
They've been out of ideas since 3.

This was never a series that needed to be a yearly thing. The "story" is a joke, and the gameplay has always been monotonous. You know, JUST WANT I WANT TO PLAY EVERY YEAR.
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Don't you know? "AC" doesn't stand for Assassin's Creed, it means "Annual Collect-a-thon".

Also yes, it should never have been made into an annual series.
 
That Chris Guy said:
Considering the pains they took in Odyssey to hammer in LGBT elements and some historical revisionism, I feel like they're going to do the same here irrespective of culture.
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i heard everyone tell tale of how it was actually representative of greek degeneracy, but never cared to verify that for myself. was that untrue and they just went full pander-mode?

i will say if they don't represent norse culture correctly, they'll get absolutely shit on. every norse person i've met or seen online is a real gatekeeper for their history since its constantly raped in modern media.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Cool, I was hoping for vikings.

But I hate how far behind I am in this series, I still need to play Syndicate, Origins and Odyssey.
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I stupidly bought the entire PS3 lot after playing 1 (barring the digital only one where you play as the chick) and 3 is what broke me. While I did have genuine fun (at the time) with 2 and Brotherhood, Revelations and 3 broke me. Revelations was such a tired retread, it took me months to get through because I could barely play it. And 3 was a huge letdown, with the last sucker punch being how stupid all the story setup actually was.

I only have Black Flag and Rogue left, which of course I've heard great things, but it's still going to be awhile. So tired of AC shit.

One thing I do know is I would never, in a million years, buy any of the PS4 games. It's the same tired game, and has been for years; I have no idea how this franchise garnered such a following.
I can think of 100 other franchises more deserving of ongoing games than this one.
 
ITT : people who havent played or cared about any of the recent assasins creed yet felt obliged to comment anyway.


For the last three games AC has become more of an rpg then a stealth game. Adding gear, levels and abilites kind of an mmo light. There are even dailes and weeklys for crying out loud.

In Ac:Unity they first tried out gear levels and diffrent styles of play iirc, there was a rouge set, a ranger set and a warrior set.
In Ac:Syndicate was just a repeat of unity but in england.
In ac: origins they radically changed the forumula putting combat front and turned the series in to an mmo light



That Chris Guy said:
Considering the pains they took in Odyssey to hammer in LGBT elements and some historical revisionism, I feel like they're going to do the same here irrespective of culture. You'll probably get to optionally play as a female Viking given the allusion to Valhalla, most likely a Valkyrie of some kind.

It really does suck how far they've moved outside the "Assassin" element of its namesake, so it might as well just be called "Creed". I played up to Unity, and imo the Ezio trilogy was the best part of it all. AC3 had some great potential to spur on a new trilogy, especially with Connor, but the American Revolution was a mere backstory that ended far too quickly, and Connor was very wooden overall.
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Well there was mytholical creatures or the magical artifacts in oddesy to add some fags to Athens dosent seem that revisionist to me.
Connor fucking sucked and im glad to be rid of him
 
Guts Gets Some said:
I stupidly bought the entire PS3 lot after playing 1 (barring the digital only one where you play as the chick) and 3 is what broke me. While I did have genuine fun (at the time) with 2 and Brotherhood, Revelations and 3 broke me. Revelations was such a tired retread, it took me months to get through because I could barely play it. And 3 was a huge letdown, with the last sucker punch being how stupid all the story setup actually was.

I only have Black Flag and Rogue left, which of course I've heard great things, but it's still going to be awhile. So tired of AC shit.

One thing I do know is I would never, in a million years, buy any of the PS4 games. It's the same tired game, and has been for years; I have no idea how this franchise garnered such a following.
I can think of 100 other franchises more deserving of ongoing games than this one.
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Black Flag and Rogue are the only ones I've beaten and they're great.

I tried 1 and 2 and honestly didn't like them much and didn't finish them, I skipped 3 and Unity entirely although I'm still curious about 3 because I love American history.
 
Dom Cruise said:
although I'm still curious about 3 because I love American history.
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Don't. Both from the game aspect (it's seriously one of the most boring of the entire franchise, only beaten by Revelations) AND because you love American History.
This is, like, the fan fiction version, and that's being generous.
 
Guts Gets Some said:
Don't. Both from the game aspect (it's seriously one of the most boring of the entire franchise, only beaten by Revelations) AND because you love American History.
This is, like, the fan fiction version, and that's being generous.
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I know I probably shouldn't but curiosity is a bitch for me and one day I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and just play it for myself.
 
Kenobi said:
ITT : people who havent played or cared about any of the recent assasins creed yet felt obliged to comment anyway.

For the last three games AC has become more of an rpg then a stealth game. Adding gear, levels and abilites kind of an mmo light. There are even dailes and weeklys for crying out loud.

In Ac:Unity they first tried out gear levels and diffrent styles of play iirc, there was a rouge set, a ranger set and a warrior set.
In Ac:Syndicate was just a repeat of unity but in england.
In ac: origins they radically changed the forumula putting combat front and turned the series in to an mmo light

Well there was mytholical creatures or the magical artifacts in oddesy to add some fags to Athens dosent seem that revisionist to me.
Connor fucking sucked and im glad to be rid of him
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you've confirmed everyone's opinion that the series doesn't even resemble its former self. thats what we're shitting on.
 
I love Viking and any thing Norse but i am afraid that Ubisoft will try and make progressive like with odyssey.
Also Assassins creeds hasn't been good since Black flag.
 
The last AC I played was Black Flag simply cause it was pirates.

So I'll probably play this unless I hear it's total dogshit.

TBF though I said the same thing about Odyssey and heard it was just kinda dog shit and skipped it.
 
I just realized that Ubisoft is going to shove boats into an AC game again.

Ubi, I hate to sound like an AA sponsor but you have to stop, now. I get why you're doing it, ok? A lot of people, me included, hated everything but the boat stuff in AC3 and 4. But I loved Rogue because we had the boat stuff, and a good story, even if it was short. But then people hated Unity and shrugged at Syndicate, so your bean counters said the obvious correlation was there were no boats there. Then in Origins, you shoehorned it in, you did it for Odyssey, and now you'll probably do it for this.

Boat stuff is a fun addition, but focusing on it got old around Rogue, and you just won't let go. Just give us an Assassins Vs. Templar story that doesn't eat dick and force itself onto history or important figures, but keeps them in the background and noticeable. I want to be a sneaky stabby fucker. Not viking Jack Sparrow who sometimes uses wristblades to be the one who actually killed King Ecgberht of Wessex because he had an Ancient Aliens device. And don't get me started on that shit.
 
Venomine said:
you've confirmed everyone's opinion that the series doesn't even resemble its former self. thats what we're shitting on.
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Eh i dont know i like the new direction it was getting really fucking stale after Ace:brotherhood. Lets be honest the stealth in the series was always fucking shit compared to other stealth games so why not focus on the things that everyone liked? The semihistorical locations and moments, the combat and the boat stuff.

Dr.Sturgeon said:
I love Viking and any thing Norse but i am afraid that Ubisoft will try and make progressive like with odyssey.
Also Assassins creeds hasn't been good since Black flag.
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Do they really need to do that tough? The vikings were fairly "progressive" for their time. Irc, women were allowed to vote in the tings if their husbands had died.

Im gonna be really annoyed at the youtube videos later justifying black and arab npcs wandering around in England. (if the game is about the Norman conquest)
But but the viking took slaves and concubines how do we know they werent black and brown!1!1!

I hope the game is about Ingvar.
 
Venomine said:
i heard everyone tell tale of how it was actually representative of greek degeneracy, but never cared to verify that for myself. was that untrue and they just went full pander-mode?
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Well, I'm not Greek so I wouldn't be able to pass on an expert account, but obviously if you want gay relationships then Ancient Greece is certainly the "acceptable" place to do it. What I'm concerned with is whether this was a one-off thing they had planned all along or if it's going to spill into future titles no matter where they end up.

I can see maybe one or two gay partners being a possibility in other games, but are things like the uproar from Odyssey's DLC forcing a heterosexual relationship in order to, you know, birth the next fucking generation going to affect their decision-making process? With no regard to the reality that it could get people killed in historic times? That would be an interesting topic to explore provided they gave an accurate assessment of it, but knowing Ubisoft it's unlikely.

Kenobi said:
Well there was mytholical creatures or the magical artifacts in oddesy to add some fags to Athens dosent seem that revisionist to me.
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Well the game employs a lot of revisionism in the context of their story anyway. However, I'm referring to shit like the Discovery Tour, an educational feature that seems well-intentioned that is meant to show more of the real history behind the setting...then they found a vase that depicted a teacher showing a Greek boy how to dance, didn't employ any common sense as to how to deal with history, and made their own version with both a girl and boy dancing whilst citing "Inclusive gameplay over historical sexism". I mean why the fuck change it? It's a picture of legitimate historical art, and there is no point to changing it. Should we go full The Simpsons and redo the Statue of David with some trousers on?

I understand that in a historical game the boundaries can be stretched to make the game enjoyable, but pretending to be educational and changing a relic of the past because YasssQween_405 might sob for the rest of the night over it isn't something they should do. History is dark, bloody and sometimes depressing, but it shouldn't be altered to appease modern mindsets.

i just don't have much faith that they'll be like the older games, where they might take the plot in a different direction yet aren't afraid of writing up all the dirty laundry of the actual times and saying that things sucked. At least violence isn't something they're afraid of showing though, so Ragnarok won't be turned into 1 hour of the Norse Gods flinging custard pies at each other.
 
The Last Stand said:
Syndicate wasn't bad. Better than Unity. Assassin's Creed meets GTA.

This could've been a new IP.
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Ew, your taste is shit >:(

The story was soulless, there was no sense of history to any of it (fake made-up villains), the gameplay was laughably out of place for a setting with revolvers and gatling guns, it was a better toybox than AC Unity but a worse experience.

Also, this is spergy of me, but while I like the idea of a Viking game, I don't like the idea of a Viking game where you are, presumably, a GOOD guy. The Vikings were trash, a civilization of thieves and murderers who leeched off of their neighbors and spread misery to everybody else. Horrible people who deserved to be crusaded into oblivion but, unfortunately, managed to escape that fate by just converting.

Venomine said:
i heard everyone tell tale of how it was actually representative of greek degeneracy, but never cared to verify that for myself. was that untrue and they just went full pander-mode?

i will say if they don't represent norse culture correctly, they'll get absolutely shit on. every norse person i've met or seen online is a real gatekeeper for their history since its constantly raped in modern media.
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I'm far from an expert on the subject, but I've read Symposium by Plato, and the translator's notes describe Greek homosexuality. Basically, it was common among the upper classes in ancient Greece to view pederasty as a good thing, and to a lesser extent you had other relationships between men. Homosexuality was legal, in most city-states, but it wasn't common among the lower classes, who sometimes actually scorned it. It was supposed to be monogamist and was tied up in a culture of self-improvement and civic responsibility. Basically, your pervert pedo dad would hand you off to a creepy old man who would molest you while teaching you how to take care of your body at the gymnasium and also teach you ethics and shit.

If we take all this seriously, then homosexuality was definitely a big part of upper class (again, upper class: intellectuals and aristocrats) Greek society, but it was also very different in function than modern homosexual culture. Instead of being a vector of degeneracy, it was a source of civic responsibility and self-improvement and was basically anti-degenerate. But it's still basically founded on creepy old gay men grooming teen boys.

Women were basically repressed to an extreme even worse than Jewish (Abrahamic) women were, being chattels of their men who were meant to be locked up inside if you were a respectable family. I don't recall how they felt about lesbianism, but I can't imagine it would have been viewed favorably, or really viewed in any way at all, since women are basically on the same level as cows. Tranny stuff and the like would have been absolutely despised. The ancient Greeks considered masculinity to be something that made them SUPERIOR to Oriental (Middle Eastern) cultures.

They were an entire nation of hunky, buff manly gays.

Homosexuality in Greece was also seemingly somewhat common across the ancient world. Celts had something kind of similar going on. Romans had unrestricted homosex but only if you were at top; bottoms were considered to be fags. It's thought that the ancient Aryan tribes practiced a form of military faggotry that only slowly died out due to Christianity, and you also see warrior homosexual cultures in the Japanese samurai, allegedly, and the Mamelukes.
 
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The franchise ended with Black Flag.

"Of all the money that I ere had, I spent it in good company. And all the harm that ere I done, alas it was to none but me."
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