Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

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You do the same thing to me. I've tried to reason with you before but you just keep showing how much of a exceptional fellow you are. The only people who actually manage to agree with you are Ethan's other clingers on. Instead of offering insight of what could make shit better, you just deflect for CG and either blame backers or anyone who disagrees.

What makes it so important to you that you spend so much time defending them?

Are you just anti-sjw or do you believe that creators should have a chance to show the world what they can do?
I believe that creators should have a chance to show what they can do Comics Gate offers them a chance to do that much more than Gamer Gate ever did. Ethan helps creators fund their books and make more money. He also tells people how they themselves can do what he did even if they aren’t CG.
CG has entertained me for a couple years now and it offers a community of people who like the same things I do. I have nothing against non CG creators and I back their books. I don’t like SJWs and the damage they have done to the industries I love and that’s the main reason why I am CG.

If you guys don’t like Ethan or CG that‘s fine. But some of us here do and like to voice our opinions even though get downvoted to shit. It’s better to have differing viewpoints because otherwise this board turns into the Chris Chan board where everyone just complains about how fat and smelly Chris everyday.
 
I believe that creators should have a chance to show what they can do Comics Gate offers them a chance to do that much more than Gamer Gate ever did. Ethan helps creators fund their books and make more money. He also tells people how they themselves can do what he did even if they aren’t CG.
CG has entertained me for a couple years now and it offers a community of people who like the same things I do. I have nothing against non CG creators and I back their books. I don’t like SJWs and the damage they have done to the industries I love and that’s the main reason why I am CG.

If you guys don’t like Ethan or CG that‘s fine. But some of us here do and like to voice our opinions even though get downvoted to shit. It’s better to have differing viewpoints because otherwise this board turns into the Chris Chan board where everyone just complains about how fat and smelly Chris everyday.

I don't dislike Ethan or CG. They're just funny. Especially the way people talking about Ethan on the internet in anything less than glowing terms clearly gets under his skin and he has to jump in to prove he's totally not mad.

You don't, however, get the difference in production cycles in the products these adults were upset about. Gamergate would have had to be going at peak until about now for us to see all the gamergate games finally coming out and the "community supporting it"
 
I believe that creators should have a chance to show what they can do Comics Gate offers them a chance to do that much more than Gamer Gate ever did. Ethan helps creators fund their books and make more money. He also tells people how they themselves can do what he did even if they aren’t CG.
CG has entertained me for a couple years now and it offers a community of people who like the same things I do. I have nothing against non CG creators and I back their books. I don’t like SJWs and the damage they have done to the industries I love and that’s the main reason why I am CG.

If you guys don’t like Ethan or CG that‘s fine. But some of us here do and like to voice our opinions even though get downvoted to shit. It’s better to have differing viewpoints because otherwise this board turns into the Chris Chan board where everyone just complains about how fat and smelly Chris everyday.
This. I don't even give a shit about the drama, but CG has introduced me to indie creators who give me a chance to break from the established comics fare and the same old, safe stories and try something new.
 
I'm a ComicsGater who is doing his own comic book with his YouTube channel.

It was suggested to me that I could really help other people promote their comics too, and so I do.

Anyone can be ComicsGate and I'm not stopping them. The problem seems to be the conflict that occurs with people wanting to be on my show and use my fans for their wallets, and not wanting to behave according to my house rules.

That gets conflated as "hE's GaTeKeEpInG cOmIcSgAtE gUyS!!11"

Go on Mike S Miller's channel, or Doug's. Or make your own.

I'm doing fine, either way. First week of CYBERFROG 2: $397,000!
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I think KiwiFarms making fun of me is funny. I have no problem with it.

Stop bitching about me and begging me to apologize for things I don't need to apologize for. Become a man.

Remember a few weeks ago when TUGboat was bitching about Kiwi Farms not supporting him (and, in fact, 'doxing' him) and your rersponse?

"I love Kiwi Farms and I know they won't turn on me; they have my back."

You real quick deleted that stream after people on here took note of that hubris. If memory serves, it was the stream when you put up the Hangouts link accidentally and had to protect noted tardlet TUG's lack-of-manhood from people coming on and shitting on him for marrying a whale looking for dick pics form men other than him.
 
I'm a ComicsGater who is doing his own comic book with his YouTube channel.

It was suggested to me that I could really help other people promote their comics too, and so I do.

Anyone can be ComicsGate and I'm not stopping them. The problem seems to be the conflict that occurs with people wanting to be on my show and use my fans for their wallets, and not wanting to behave according to my house rules.

That gets conflated as "hE's GaTeKeEpInG cOmIcSgAtE gUyS!!11"

Go on Mike S Miller's channel, or Doug's. Or make your own.

I'm doing fine, either way. First week of CYBERFROG 2: $397,000!View attachment 1198375

See, when you post stuff like that. Where you show your passion? Yeah, that the shit I supported you for. You can make an amazing argument for the movement without any sort of hate or bringing others down.

This was what I was trying to get out of you. Passion is always better than drama.

Not everyone who challenges you is out to destroy you.

Remember a few weeks ago when TUGboat was bitching about Kiwi Farms not supporting him (and, in fact, 'doxing' him) and your rersponse?

"I love Kiwi Farms and I know they won't turn on me; they have my back."

You real quick deleted that stream after people on here took note of that hubris. If memory serves, it was the stream when you put up the Hangouts link accidentally and had to protect noted tardlet TUG's lack-of-manhood from people coming on and shitting on him for marrying a whale looking for dick pics form men other than him.

That was a rough watch. I'm not a fan of Tug but even I felt bad for him there.
 
I support Comicsgate 100%. Just not uncritically.

As for TUG, there's a reason why his thread has nearly twice the activity of this thread which contains all minor CG figures collectively, and he can either address the reasons why or he can continue to compound his problems with more deflection and lies. The choice is his.
 
I support Comicsgate 100%. Just not uncritically.

As for TUG, there's a reason why his thread has nearly twice the activity of this thread which contains all minor CG figures collectively, and he can either address the reasons why or he can continue to compound his problems with more deflection and lies. The choice is his.

It depends on who is being critical. You, me, or any other no-name YouTuber who is critical publicly gets shown the door, ostracized and insulted by the manchildren running the movement. Despite claiming that people like Renfamous are thin-skinned and can't take criticism, these guys show time and again they are just as bad, if not worse when it comes to taking criticism in stride and responding to it. Doug, in my honest opinion, was not as bad in his criticism to begin with but ramped it up after TUGboat, EVS, and the rest of his motley closet catamite crew started losing their shit over such banal criticism and began going after him and his ventures directly over it. But Nick Rekieta floats his unhappiness of the Comicsgate crew doing the whole "drama for shekels" thing rather than focusing on their end products--essentialy doing what others like Preston have done--and EVS and TUG come out, falling to their knees and opening wide to suck him off to show they are 100% capable of taking criticism in stride. There's a reason for that, in my opinion: when it comes to personalities like Doug and Preston, they fall into the same niche topics and what-not as comics industry guys and so they have a lot of viewer overlap. Thus, they can lose their shit with those two (and others) because they figure there's nothing more to gain in terms of new viewers and they go in hard and dumb on them. When it comes to someone like Rackets, though, they know they don't have his numbers, they don't have the engagement he does with fans, and they view his fanbase as a potential source of income because most of us aren't paying attention to poorly-drawn books one-step above pop-up books. They hope that over time they'll siphon off more of his viewers because they figure someone like Nick has a viewerbase that is anti-SJW like Quarterpounder and what-not, so they want to focus on that. Even as they tried to weasel into ISWV they've made it clear, in my opinion, that they aren't there to support Vic but rather to use it as another stepping stone in their fight with SJWs; TUG's videos, for example, don't focus on Vic's case but rather the "hypocrisy" and "lunacy" of people like Renfamous (and, by the way, they only took notice of it because of Renfamous talking about it; if she hadn't mentioned it they 100% would not have paid attention at all, as evidenced by the fact they don't talk about it right now unless they can regurgitate the same things Nick says to their own fans in 10-minute videos that manage to provide nothing to the conversation at hand). This is what annoys me the most about these people.
 
It depends on who is being critical. You, me, or any other no-name YouTuber who is critical publicly gets shown the door, ostracized and insulted by the manchildren running the movement. Despite claiming that people like Renfamous are thin-skinned and can't take criticism, these guys show time and again they are just as bad, if not worse when it comes to taking criticism in stride and responding to it. Doug, in my honest opinion, was not as bad in his criticism to begin with but ramped it up after TUGboat, EVS, and the rest of his motley closet catamite crew started losing their shit over such banal criticism and began going after him and his ventures directly over it. But Nick Rekieta floats his unhappiness of the Comicsgate crew doing the whole "drama for shekels" thing rather than focusing on their end products--essentialy doing what others like Preston have done--and EVS and TUG come out, falling to their knees and opening wide to suck him off to show they are 100% capable of taking criticism in stride. There's a reason for that, in my opinion: when it comes to personalities like Doug and Preston, they fall into the same niche topics and what-not as comics industry guys and so they have a lot of viewer overlap. Thus, they can lose their shit with those two (and others) because they figure there's nothing more to gain in terms of new viewers and they go in hard and dumb on them. When it comes to someone like Rackets, though, they know they don't have his numbers, they don't have the engagement he does with fans, and they view his fanbase as a potential source of income because most of us aren't paying attention to poorly-drawn books one-step above pop-up books. They hope that over time they'll siphon off more of his viewers because they figure someone like Nick has a viewerbase that is anti-SJW like Quarterpounder and what-not, so they want to focus on that. Even as they tried to weasel into ISWV they've made it clear, in my opinion, that they aren't there to support Vic but rather to use it as another stepping stone in their fight with SJWs; TUG's videos, for example, don't focus on Vic's case but rather the "hypocrisy" and "lunacy" of people like Renfamous (and, by the way, they only took notice of it because of Renfamous talking about it; if she hadn't mentioned it they 100% would not have paid attention at all, as evidenced by the fact they don't talk about it right now unless they can regurgitate the same things Nick says to their own fans in 10-minute videos that manage to provide nothing to the conversation at hand). This is what annoys me the most about these people.

There's no door.

I have a suggestion, though. Why not try being supportive and helpful of this movement, the people who are making friends within it, and the network that's getting creators and their books funded rather than work out what level of "criticism" you're allowed to offer before it annoys people?

The thing is, everyone is kinda scared right now. The industry is shrinking and a lot of creators are going to find themselves unable to pay their bills.

I'll be okay. I could make a tenth of what I'm making now and still be in a position to make CYBERFROG comics profitably.

But I'm a rare exception. Most ComicsGaters are trying to secure a fanbase and a marketing platform so that they can ride out the collapse of the Direct Market.

If you're on our side, be on our side. Yes, people are kinda thin skinned right now. Be nice.
 
There's no door.

I have a suggestion, though. Why not try being supportive and helpful of this movement, the people who are making friends within it, and the network that's getting creators and their books funded rather than work out what level of "criticism" you're allowed to offer before it annoys people?

The thing is, everyone is kinda scared right now. The industry is shrinking and a lot of creators are going to find themselves unable to pay their bills.

I'll be okay. I could make a tenth of what I'm making now and still be in a position to make CYBERFROG comics profitably.

But I'm a rare exception. Most ComicsGaters are trying to secure a fanbase and a marketing platform so that they can ride out the collapse of the Direct Market.

If you're on our side, be on our side. Yes, people are kinda thin skinned right now. Be nice.

There is a door, closed to people who are unabashadly critical of your bowel movement. There is a door, closed to people you and your cabal of forty-year-old manchildren deem "unfit" for Comicsgate. There is a door, guarded by people you choose to put there, to gatekeep your movement lest people more charsimatic but not beholden to you decide to see what's going on, but won't bend the knee to you.

I'm allowed my criticism, and the fact you think I should "support the movement" before I decide what level of criticism I'm allowed to make before it irks you is indicative of what I have said, that the entire thing is for you and your grifting ilk to make money off the backs of people and criticism is not allowed. I don't care about comics, and haven't since the Marvel Civil War arc. I don't care because I grew up past the age of puberty, which is when I was more interested in the big-titty bitches wearing skintight leotards and thigh-high boots in Marvel comics. What I do care about is a proper customer-facilitated and customer-oriented movement, not the shit you try to pass off as that as you work to milk your followers for more and more, while bringing in people who have a proven history of not delivering (like Martina).

I'm not on your side. As corny as it sounds, I'm on the customers' side. When you do things properly, I'll nod and give you kudos. When you fuck up, you'll get called out for that.
 
There is a door, closed to people who are unabashadly critical of your bowel movement. There is a door, closed to people you and your cabal of forty-year-old manchildren deem "unfit" for Comicsgate. There is a door, guarded by people you choose to put there, to gatekeep your movement lest people more charsimatic but not beholden to you decide to see what's going on, but won't bend the knee to you.

I'm allowed my criticism, and the fact you think I should "support the movement" before I decide what level of criticism I'm allowed to make before it irks you is indicative of what I have said, that the entire thing is for you and your grifting ilk to make money off the backs of people and criticism is not allowed. I don't care about comics, and haven't since the Marvel Civil War arc. I don't care because I grew up past the age of puberty, which is when I was more interested in the big-titty bitches wearing skintight leotards and thigh-high boots in Marvel comics. What I do care about is a proper customer-facilitated and customer-oriented movement, not the shit you try to pass off as that as you work to tard cum your followers for more and more, while bringing in people who have a proven history of not delivering (like Martina).

I'm not on your side. As corny as it sounds, I'm on the customers' side. When you do things properly, I'll nod and give you kudos. When you fuck up, you'll get called out for that.

Absolutely headache-inducing.

Carry on crying.
 
You're kicking my ass.

None of us wish any violence on you. We are just tired of the constant drama streams. Not every stream has to be "Doug, mike and Edwin hurt my feelings" like the guys doesn't even address you anymore and when Doug did he praised your success on rekt planet.
 
Mike and Edwin throw shade at ComicsGate constantly. They took the piss out of Adam Post for only having 90 backers the other day, so I gave him a little promotion and got him to 180. The customers LOVE making fun of Doug, Mike and Edwin. Love it. And they have only themselves to blame.

I praise Doug's success on BFB2!
 
None of us wish any violence on you. We are just tired of the constant drama streams. Not every stream has to be "Doug, mike and Edwin hurt my feelings" like the guys doesn't even address you anymore and when Doug did he praised your success on rekt planet.
I'm going to go ahead and move this conversation along by proposing that Frog absolutely does not care what annoys or tires us. The only reasons he comes here is because he wants to be informed as to what we're up to rather than get blindsided with some shit later, maybe catch up on gossip and also antagonize people who hate him for fun.

Ultimately, I had to ask myself the question, if I did pursue some sort of autistic vendetta against EVS that somehow permanently discredited him, was there anyone who has the ability to rally people against an industry (and an indy 'alternative' scene) riddled with entryism that has contempt for the consumer and sees them only as a piggybank for their infantile agitprop? Are my problems with Frog so bad they're worth ceding that? On both counts I was forced to conclude 'no'.
 
I'm going to go ahead and move this conversation along by proposing that Frog absolutely does not care what annoys or tires us. The only reasons he comes here is because he wants to be informed as to what we're up to rather than get blindsided with some shit later, maybe catch up on gossip and also antagonize people who hate him for fun.

Ultimately, I had to ask myself the question, if I did pursue some sort of autistic vendetta against EVS that somehow permanently discredited him, was there anyone who has the ability to rally people against an industry (and an indy 'alternative' scene) riddled with entryism that has contempt for the consumer and sees them only as a piggybank for their infantile agitprop? Are my problems with Frog so bad they're worth ceding that? On both counts I was forced to conclude 'no'.

Not a soul. I'm here to help!
 
I'm going to go ahead and move this conversation along by proposing that Frog absolutely does not care what annoys or tires us. The only reasons he comes here is because he wants to be informed as to what we're up to rather than get blindsided with some shit later, maybe catch up on gossip and also antagonize people who hate him for fun.

Ultimately, I had to ask myself the question, if I did pursue some sort of autistic vendetta against EVS that somehow permanently discredited him, was there anyone who has the ability to rally people against an industry (and an indy 'alternative' scene) riddled with entryism that has contempt for the consumer and sees them only as a piggybank for their infantile agitprop? Are my problems with Frog so bad they're worth ceding that? On both counts I was forced to conclude 'no'.
I think you're correct. It's sort of pointless.
Not a soul. I'm here to help!

It seems like most of us want Indy comics and creators to do well and get their stuff out there. We all just have different ideas of how to help .
 
I think you're correct. It's sort of pointless.
I don't think so; I like to think my spergouts on this and other threads were mildly constructive, or at least gave pause for thought.

But I don't see complaints like "you put Martina Markota and Cridious on your platform to scam us" out from one side of the mouth and "fuck you gatekeeper" from the other being received well. There's already a vetting process in place if you support the obvious solution to this and it's called Warcampaign. Frog could very easily require would-be crowdfunders to hop on for a WC Tribunal or have a minimum of one fulfilled campaign before he lets anyone on if that's what you want ("I thought this was a consumer movement! But only pros or WC kneebenders are allowed to make money!"). I mean I could do that anyway if the goal was to piss him off but all he's going to do is shitpost and try to annoy me back.
 
I praise Doug's success on BFB2!

You called it a spite campaign and called the money he raised "Embarrassing." When you was funding cashgrab. Just because the audience likes it doesn't mean you have to, Doug just wants to move on but Cecil making a spite campaign known as "dirtworm doug". Doug originally left because earth worm jim wasn't supposed to be involved in gate dramas and im sure if dc farmed their ip to you they would tell you the same thing.
 
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None of us wish any violence on you. We are just tired of the constant drama streams. Not every stream has to be "Doug, mike and Edwin hurt my feelings" like the guys doesn't even address you anymore and when Doug did he praised your success on rekt planet.

that might be true for Doug, but Mike and Edwin take subtle shots at Ethan all the time.
 
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