Temtems - A Failed Attempt At A Pokeclone

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Nauseated Courgi said:
or the many variants of Jibanyan?
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I don't think this is all of them.

I don't think recolours are the plan for Temtem. Like, this is trying to appeal to Pokemon fans. Pokemon fans think a recolour is something like this:
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Or something like this:
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(It's surprising how different the Ponytas are when you put them side to side.)

Re the designs, let me provide a great example of the difference between Pokemon and temtem design: Hoppip and Kaku. Both of them are flying plant monsters with a four-legged body and a plant on its head, and it'd be hard to find a more comparable pair. (Hoppip is Grass/Flying, Kaku is Nature which evolves into Nature/Wind).
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Hoppip is about as simple as you could get for the concept. Theres the cat ears and tail, it's body is bright pink, it's eyes are plain yellow circles and it's head is two green dandelion leaves. Weird colours, but about as simple as it gets, and it stounds out among the pokemon you can catch when you find it.

Kaku is blue, has black eyes, a red belly, and yellow... toes? It's flower top is the Rafflesia flower, known as the 'corpse flower' due to it's awful smell, but it's got blue spots instead of the yellow the actual flower has.

The problem with temtem designs is that they're both overdesigned and underdesigned - cluttered with details, but not adding up to a full picture. Hoppip is a little cat blob thing with dandelion leaves. Dandelions are known for blowing in the wind, so it makes sense for a grass/flying Pokemon to be based on one. Rafflesia's are known to be big and stinky, so why is this a nature/wind temtem and not a nature/toxic one? Why does it have blue spots instead of yellow, a red belly, and yellow toes?

Hoppip's also given juuuust enough definition on it's legs that it can reasonably stand on it's back two. This gives the design more versatility with zero extra effort.
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Hoppip, Skiploom and Jumpluff go through the stages of a dandelion's life cycle. Kaku going to saku just gets bigger and a little more detailed.
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And Kaku shares it's body type with Swali, another wind/nature temtem. Look at this design and tell me the two aren't related.
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Compare with the other Grass/Flying pokemon.
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Disc said:
It’s more a game where the creator has confused ‘cheap’ with difficult. There’s a lot of wild level differences and very annoying mechanics.

For example, status effects. Status effects all work on a duration, and cannot be switched out to even delay their ticks. This means that if you get burned or poisoned, you will take that damage, whether you want to or not, unless you use an item. This extends to the doom effect, which KOs any temtem that gets it!

One of the most common offenders is Loali. This temtem will nearly always cast toxic spores on it’s opponents, giving the Poison effect for 3 turns. The poison effect removes 1/8 of your hp every turn. So just by getting hit by that, you’re guaranteeing a loss of a little under half your health. Whether or not you switch out. And even if you rush to kill it first turn, it may have the toxic farewell ability, poisoning whoever KOs it anyway.


Consider that these Temtem were given in two batches 6 months apart, because each island is released about that far apart. Perhaps it seemed appropriate from that perspective?

I’m more annoyed by the Temtem they chose. Aside from the Anahir, which is a single creation, only one of those five remaining temtem is uncatchable by the time you get them, and they don’t use the chance to give you the Earth or digital types which are still lacking in variety. It’s not even hard to catch them in those forms.

Have some screenshots.

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“That was awesome!” - Opponent as the camera slides in awkwardly too close showing their mild disappointment. And yes, this was where it stopped.
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Sure, the Temtems following me, but all it does is make the same reaction everywhere. To me, one of the cooler parts of HGSS was not just having the Pokémon follow you, but having it actually interact with the environment around it. If a nature temtem in a goddamn volcano doesn’t care, it’s a superficial system.
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Yet, you can still act if your temtem has doom or is poisoned. If it's put to sleep and the opponent uses mental skills, not only it won't get up anytime soon because mental bypasses that specific effect of sleep, but also it will quickly be killed without letting you do anything. Frozen is the same fucking deal. This game's poison atleast allows you to fight back, but not sleep depending the circumstances and certainly not freeze either.

Once you get a temtem with hypnosis and mental skills you basically won the game.

I wonder if it got fixed though since the wiki now says any skill can wake up your temtem, but I'm still skeptic.
 
CybrRobotnik said:
Yet, you can still act if your temtem has doom or is poisoned. If it's put to sleep and the opponent uses mental skills, not only it won't get up anytime soon because mental bypasses that specific effect of sleep, but also it will quickly be killed without letting you do anything. Frozen is the same fucking deal. This game's poison atleast allows you to fight back, but not sleep depending the circumstances and certainly not freeze either.

Once you get a temtem with hypnosis and mental skills you basically won the game.

I wonder if it got fixed though since the wiki now says any skill can wake up your temtem, but I'm still skeptic.
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That's actually due to it's ability, Soft-Touch. Only it and Teruteru have it, and it allows you to attack/damage your opponent while they're asleep without waking them up.

DOUBTFUL that they fixed it since that's the point of the ability.

Actually, let's talk about abilities for a sec, shall we? Or Traits.

They are... Really generic.

Like, they even just straight up stole Thick Fat (called it thick skin) and made it reduce fire damage by half. Then there's the Specialist abilities - Like, they are probably the most broken in the game. Automatically, no condition, temtem with things like Hydrologist, or Pyromaniac, they gain a boost of 15% to their elemental moves of that.

Like, not only is that really creatively bankrupt as far as abilities go, but they also don't have any conditions to them. Things like Blaze, Torrent and Overgrow at least required your pokemon to be at a 1/3 of their HP to activate.

I'm sure some people will argue that there's a 35% damage difference - But even 15% can make a big difference, especially since STAB is a thing in this game too. So, you're at best looking at an increase of 65% of damage for those moves right there.
 
Here's a list of traits if people want to trawl through it.

My personal favourite is Fast Charge, an ability only Gazuma can learn.

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It's original, sure, but let me remind you that there are no Digital temtem a player can catch yet, and also say the two people who have a Digital Temtem and a Gazuma both have the other ability on it.

Another one is camaraderie, which makes temtem bulkier when near an identical ally. The thing is, all the temtem that get this ability aren't fully evolved - this ability basically exists to make battles with 6 identical temtem as awful as possible.

Held Items are similarly mostly bland, with most giving either a 10% boost (for a total of a 75% boost before type effectiveness or stat changes) or a 20% damage reduction. One exception which I do like is the Pillow, which restores health when sleeping - it pairs well with an attack called Narcoleptic Hit.

Unrelated, but can we talk about how many temtem battles are against two tamers? Like, the whole point is that we're doing double battles, and yet Temtem constantly throws two-tamer opponents in it, like it's worrying people will think battling one tamer with two temtem is weird.

Not to mention, a lot of these temtem fights start something like this:

Idiot: Ahhh! A bad guy!
Some guy with something meaning 'the smart one' in his name: Uh, I think that's just a protag-
Idiot: Kill the bad guy, quick!
They both attack you. Yes, the guy saying you're not a bad guy will attack you too. You win.
'Smart one': He's obviously not a bad guy.
Idiot: Oh. Oopsy-doops!

Either wrangle your idiot or don't participate, don't HELP the dumbass!

I'm on Tucma now, and let me just say: fuck this place. More details when I get time.
 
Disc said:
I'm on Tucma now, and let me just say: fuck this place. More details when I get time.
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Trust me man, you don't know the hard right curve they throw at you.

So, I'm just gonna spoil it here, Max your rival joins up the Evil Clan... For some reason.

And I say for some reason, because there's no proper foreshadowing of him wanting to join up with the clan or even a hint of him wanting to do that. The kid even goes so far as to dress up as your character, even changing his hair style to match yours - and commit crimes under your name...

FOR SOME REASON.

I know that the game is trying to make me hate the guy, and it's doing a terrible job of it. Like, I have no reason to really care if the guy does join the clan, since I don't know why he would. Is it to spite me? Is it to break the world that treated him badly?

Considering that we have about... four scenes with the kid before this happens, and most of them were more typical Rival like instances - I'm gonna be the best, I'm gonna beat you, let's battle - him joining the evil clan makes no sense. Like, a simple suggestion is to just have a cut scene or a part in the earlier game where you see disguised recruiters for the clan talking to people, or handing out flyers, and Max takes one.

At least that'd give SOME foreshadowing.

I've seen a few people praise the game for being a bit darker and more mature than pokemon... Like... really? Are we really going with the whole "darker = better" argument for writing?
 
OddEyes said:
Trust me man, you don't know the hard right curve they throw at you.

So, I'm just gonna spoil it here, Max your rival joins up the Evil Clan... For some reason.

And I say for some reason, because there's no proper foreshadowing of him wanting to join up with the clan or even a hint of him wanting to do that. The kid even goes so far as to dress up as your character, even changing his hair style to match yours - and commit crimes under your name...

FOR SOME REASON.

I know that the game is trying to make me hate the guy, and it's doing a terrible job of it. Like, I have no reason to really care if the guy does join the clan, since I don't know why he would. Is it to spite me? Is it to break the world that treated him badly?

Considering that we have about... four scenes with the kid before this happens, and most of them were more typical Rival like instances - I'm gonna be the best, I'm gonna beat you, let's battle - him joining the evil clan makes no sense. Like, a simple suggestion is to just have a cut scene or a part in the earlier game where you see disguised recruiters for the clan talking to people, or handing out flyers, and Max takes one.

At least that'd give SOME foreshadowing.

I've seen a few people praise the game for being a bit darker and more mature than pokemon... Like... really? Are we really going with the whole "darker = better" argument for writing?
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Funny thing is pokemon wack trys something like this as well,and despite it being older then temtem, It has slightly foreshadows it with the design of the rival

Here be spoilers for it if any of you care
Pokemon wack does something like this with your rival becoming part of the evil enemy team. Your rival Zaydolf Has blonde hair, blue eyes, is a artist. One of the evil teams are wacky pokemon nazi's that are the self proclaimed "mustard racers" First head Head you mean for them is a giant boobed thick accented german lady.

Later your rival becomes litterally hitler, and starts up a Purification Camp which the wiki says is to. "'purify the world' and kill all of those deemed undesirable ".

Even Celebi shows you a vison that this was going to happen when you figth her., but blurs out hitler to keep the twist hidden.

Apprently according to the discord for wack zaydolf is under "Mind control".

Enough of me sperging about that It also sounds like temtem is going for the other direction in the rival department.


Where pokemon has for years been heading towards the friendly rival direction.


TemTem sounds like it's going for the Rival you are not allowed to like direction. I hate both ways.
 
ChucklesTheJester said:
Funny thing is pokemon wack trys something like this as well,and despite it being older then temtem, It has slightly foreshadows it with the design of the rival

Here be spoilers for it if any of you care
Pokemon wack does something like this with your rival becoming part of the evil enemy team. Your rival Zaydolf Has blonde hair, blue eyes, is a artist. One of the evil teams are wacky pokemon nazi's that are the self proclaimed "mustard racers" First head Head you mean for them is a giant boobed thick accented german lady.

Later your rival becomes litterally hitler, and starts up a Purification Camp which the wiki says is to. "'purify the world' and kill all of those deemed undesirable ".

Even Celebi shows you a vison that this was going to happen when you figth her., but blurs out hitler to keep the twist hidden.

Apprently according to the discord for wack zaydolf is under "Mind control".

Enough of me sperging about that It also sounds like temtem is going for the other direction in the rival department.


Where pokemon has for years been heading towards the friendly rival direction.

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TemTem sounds like it's going for the Rival you are not allowed to like direction. I hate both ways.
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At least with pokemon, their not so developed characters at least had variety - You had Hop who was the friendly rival, and he did get some development.

Marnie was a cutie and had that brooding element to her.

And Bede?



He was at least the cocky SOB that people loved, yeah, he didn't get the greatest development, but it's more than I could say about early pokemon games, or even Max. At least Bede's development was actually foreshadowed a bit and he actually acted like a person would... Max? Geez - I'm crossed between feeling sorry for the kid and then wondering what the hell he's doing? Not actually hating on him.

Oh, and at least Bede had a good theme song - Max? He just uses the standard tamer music, you'd think that they'd at least spring for a fun theme for the guy.
 
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Oh my god. Ohhhhhhh my god. Do it. DO IT YOU BASTARDS, HAVE YOUR NON-BINARY BLASH BLETCHUM. I WANT TO SEE THIS DISASTER.
 
Disc said:
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Oh my god. Ohhhhhhh my god. Do it. DO IT YOU BASTARDS, HAVE YOUR NON-BINARY BLASH BLETCHUM. I WANT TO SEE THIS DISASTER.
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Whoever runs this account is a delusional dumbass I tell you.
I have rarely if not never seen a show from a tiny/indie studio get aired and become popular and gain profit. Hell Hazbin Hotel has not even aired on TV yet and it gets tons of criticism, how do these guys expect to have a successful cartoon when their own playerbase is shrinking constantly because of their own incompetence?
If this ever gets aired, I give this show 1 week before it gets cancelled.
 
CybrRobotnik said:
Whoever runs this account is a delusional dumbass I tell you.
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It's pretty damn egotistical for a game that just barely game out, isn't even close to being actually finished, and has a very modest playerbase. Even if they backtrack later and go "lol it's just a joke", it's still not one that looks good for them.
 
SiccDicc said:
PearlAbyss - developer/publisher of Black Desert Online - has been working on their own Pokemon MMO Dokev and announced it a bit back. I'm wondering if Temtem released now to avoid that competition.

Certainly PearlAbyss would have better servers for it.
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Dokev is a much greater departure from the formula than Temtem (and quite frankly, the designs in Dokev are worse again). Not to mention, we have no idea when Dokev will be releasing aside from a beta sometime in 2020.

I'm much more inclined to believe that Temtem's early access - announced on December 6 one week before the third island was launched - was meant to capitalise on Sword and Shield hate. What better time to release a Pokemon clone than when people are mad at raw Pokemon? Besides when the game's in a functional state.
 
OddEyes said:
I've seen a few people praise the game for being a bit darker and more mature than pokemon... Like... really? Are we really going with the whole "darker = better" argument for writing?
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Ah yes, gotta love that logic. It's what lead to Pokemon reborn, the fangame where the first thing you experience is surviving a terrorist attack on the train you're riding to get to Reborn city.
 
Vapewizard said:
Ah yes, gotta love that logic. It's what lead to Pokemon reborn, the fangame where the first thing you experience is surviving a terrorist attack on the train you're riding to get to Reborn city.
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Yeah, I like pokemon rejuvenation (I think it's made by someone affiliated with Reborn), mainly because it has a good challenge to it, but I kinda get tired of being all the dark openings.

Personally, since Temtem took a lot of inspiration from Pokemon Colosseum for the double battle system, why not take a page out of the story with that?
 
CybrRobotnik said:
Off-topic
There were some good posts about Temtem on the Pokemon Griefing thread, what do we do about them? Since I never used Xenforo, is it possible to move comments from a thread to another?


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Wow the denial is real.

Sounds like the stages of grief but they did anger first, and are now on denial.

I wonder which stage they will go to next.

bargaining
depression

We know they wont go to Acceptance ever.
 
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