Lovequest Catie Date Audio Part 3 (third 30 minutes)

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There's a reason the internet first fixated on him, out of all of the autistics under the sun.
Again: he's a very unfortunate cocktail of problems. Bad genes and a bad upbringing in a bad environment. Subtract any of those factors and we probably would not be talking about him today. Autism is not the only factor, but it is absolutely a significant one, and without it he wouldn't be CWC.
 
His crazy choices and obsessions are consequence of his autism, and thus his infamy is also indirectly attributable to it.
This is in dispute. The connection between his autism and what's made him infamous is questionable to some people.
 
That's not quite right. His autism is certainly not the sole issue, but it combines with many other issues to form the disastrous aggregate of his life.

If not for his autism, his upbringing still probably would've molded him into a shitty person, but I doubt he'd be nearly as miserable, and he certainly wouldn't be notable. His crazy choices and obsessions are consequence of his autism, and thus his infamy is also indirectly attributable to it.

His autism is a big problem for him. Don't understate that.

Chris has 3 main problems IMHO

1. His (lack of) intelligenc, which keeps him from understanding what is really making him suffer. Also doesn't help that he totally lacks the ability to think critically.

2. His ego, which doesn't allow him to ponder why he's realky so sad. He always has to find a scapegoat because he's Christian Weston Chandler and thus practly perfect.

3. His sense of entitlement which stops him from making attempts to really fix his problems because he expects others to fix them for him as they have in the past.

There are many examples of people far more crippled by Autismu then Chris who lead happy successful lives. Autism is his excuse not his sole defining factor.
 
His (lack of) intelligenc, which keeps him from understanding what is really making him suffer. Also doesn't help that he totally lacks the ability to think critically.
There's no doubt that his intelligence is a huge hurdle for him, but intelligence is a complex topic and Chris exhibits a profound bimodality in his intellect. While he possesses pretty average intelligence in many ways, allowing him to be "high-functioning," his social intellect is abysmal. That's autism. You also realize that difficulties with critical thinking can be linked to autism, too, right?

Egocentricity is also textbook autism. Even the word "autism" itself is derived from this trait, coming from greek roots and roughly meaning "morbid self-absorption."

There are many examples of people far more crippled by Autismu then Chris who lead happy successful lives. Autism is his excuse not his sole defining factor.
Yes, he is much more functional than many autistics. Yes, he has irrationally and baselessly blamed things on his autism that are utterly unrelated. Yes, he's totally an asshole in a lot of ways that are unlikely to be directly linked to the neurology he was born with. None of that negates the fact that he is clearly autistic and he clearly suffers from it, and I maintain that without the autism, nobody would have been interested in Chris. Without autism, there would've been no attraction signs, no medallions, no Sonichu, and no CWC as we've known him.
 
Chris has 3 main problems IMHO

1. His (lack of) intelligenc, which keeps him from understanding what is really making him suffer. Also doesn't help that he totally lacks the ability to think critically.

2. His ego, which doesn't allow him to ponder why he's realky so sad. He always has to find a scapegoat because he's Christian Weston Chandler and thus practly perfect.

3. His sense of entitlement which stops him from making attempts to really fix his problems because he expects others to fix them for him as they have in the past.

There are many examples of people far more crippled by Autismu then Chris who lead happy successful lives. Autism is his excuse not his sole defining factor.

1) I would like to see what his IQ is today, I know it was posted in one of the leaks (I think it was the compitancy one) at 70ish? But I would like to know what it is today as he is genuinely of mixed ability mentally.
2) Introspection is missing from his life apart from the few odd moments, like in one of the recent call's where he admits barb might just have impulse control issues when it comes to shopping at goodwill.
3) Other than getting showered with toy's I want to know where he developed the idea that the world owes him anything, I know it was most likely spawned by Barb but he has developed it to dizzying new heights.

I would like to see a full psychological work up performed on him, I know it's not going to happen but I would like to have a psychological professional weigh in and give us a list of what is wrong with Chris apart from the Autism.

bimodality

Thank you for that word.
 
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1) I would like to see what his IQ is today, I know it was posted in one of the leaks (this it was the compitancy one) at 70ish? But I would like to know what it is today as he is genuinely of mixed ability mentally.
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This wasn't an IQ test. It was some other scale from 1-100. It tested how socially adjusted he was.

He was rated a 70 on this.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Assessment_of_Functioning

Although if you read it, it's very obvious chris would score much lower today.
 
Sometimes I think poor skyraider, who's carrying the conversation ball, gets so tangled in teh crazy, he just desperately blurts things like "You're wearing a red shirt so you match her hair", and "It's too damned hot to wear jewelry!" :lol:
If you talk to the abyss long enough...
If you're talking to crazy, just roll with it. When chris would say something that did not compute, I would just follow it up with a random comment or something equally silly to keep thing moving smoothly. It's not about logic, it's about tactics. I wanted Chris to be comfortable so that I could elicit more information from him.

It looks like high 40's/low 50's would be the most appropriate score for current Chris.

This is just my opinion, but I would think Chris would fit best into this category:

21 - 30 Behavior is considerably influenced by delusions or hallucinations or serious impairment, in communication or judgment (e.g., sometimes incoherent, acts grossly inappropriately, suicidal preoccupation) or inability to function in almost all areas (e.g., stays in bed all day, no job, home, or friends)

" inability to function in almost all areas"
"Behavior is considerably influenced by delusions or hallucinations"
"serious impairment, in communication or judgment"

I don't think that he's a lost cause, I think that he could function in society at a basic level if he was willing to change and received professional help. But as it stands right now, Chris is a train wreck of a human being.
 
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This is just my opinion, but I would think Chris would fit best into this category:

21 - 30 Behavior is considerably influenced by delusions or hallucinations or serious impairment, in communication or judgment (e.g., sometimes incoherent, acts grossly inappropriately, suicidal preoccupation) or inability to function in almost all areas (e.g., stays in bed all day, no job, home, or friends)

" inability to function in almost all areas"
"Behavior is considerably influenced by delusions or hallucinations"
"serious impairment, in communication or judgment"

I don't think that he's a lost cause, I think that he could function in society at a basic level if he was willing to change and received professional help. But as it stands right now, Chris is a train wreck of a human being.

Dude did he suspect anything at all? I would be on full troll radar if I was him in this situation. Also how has this experience changed your opinion of Chris, if at all?
 
I don't think Chris will ever see a flesh and blood girl as a potential troll. His desire for a girlfriend/caregiver will override any suspicion every single time.
 
Don't forget his desire to mate.

I am not sure how much of that is a result of Biology, his body has grown up but his mental development hasn't progressed much beyond that of a Child.

His physical body is telling him to go out an have a child, he has pulled his pud often enough to know it's pleasurable he want's to procreate only because his body want's it an it's a fun thing to do.
His mind is still trying to work out just what he is, it's getting lot's of messages it's not equipped to understand from it's body.
His understanding of how people work is formed by popular culture which is a idealized and a poor representation of the real world that he is taking as a verbatim example of how the world works because he is sheltered and honestly quite thick. He can't separate the fantasy from the reality an that's what leads us to Chris today.
 
I don't think Chris will ever see a flesh and blood girl as a potential troll. His desire for a girlfriend/caregiver will override any suspicion every single time.
I think he is often suspicious. When Catie showed up he seemed genuinely surprised. But his desire for a sweetheart makes him conclude it is worth the risk.
 
DEAN'S LIST??? My ass. I really hate to say it, but at this point, Chris isn't really employable. (Did I spell that right?) Who'd hire him looking like as he does? He really does need some serious counseling -- and he's not going to get it.

I think it's a thing some people do. Like, pass down the ring to be re-used by the next generation. When my grandmother passed away, people asked me if I wanted to take her wedding ring and use it to propose to a girl one day. I thought it was bizarre and creepy, but apparently not everyone does. (EDIT: but my grandfather wasn't still alive at that point either, unlike Chris's situation)

Also: I got a mighty guffaw from Skyraider's incredulous tone: "You recorded it and uploaded it when you went to the Game Place?!?!?!" What kind of person would do something like that? :lol:

It's actually very common -- Prince William gave Kate Middleton his mother's engagement ring. If you think about it, it's really just another family heirloom.

(I have my grandmother's engagement ring and I wear it sometimes, on my right hand. It needs cleaned, though.
 
Tomgirl Chris not a chance. But classic Chris easily could have gotten a low paid position as a junior janitor or something if only he wasn't a lazy little bitch.
 
1) I would like to see what his IQ is today, I know it was posted in one of the leaks (I think it was the compitancy one) at 70ish? But I would like to know what it is today as he is genuinely of mixed ability mentally.
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I would like to see a full psychological work up performed on him, I know it's not going to happen but I would like to have a psychological professional weigh in and give us a list of what is wrong with Chris apart from the Autism.

Just a bit of info on IQ scores and such, as someone who completes psychological/psychoeducational exams... Intelligence tests measure several different constructs, usually utilizing the CHC model of intelligence, such as processing speed, working memory, fluid intelligence, crystallized intelligence, auditory processing, etc. The scores on each of these constructs are then amalgamated into an "average" of sorts, known as the intelligence quotient (IQ). It's not very common to see someone measure with similar scores across the board on all of these constructs. In fact (especially for individuals with autism or other neuroatypical issues), typically you see a profile of strengths and weaknesses, like average crystallized intelligence, below average processing speed, high average fluid reasoning, etc. In that sense, the IQ score is often derived from discrepant scores, which means it isn't as valid and doesn't tell you as much as analyzing each score separately. Hope that kinda makes sense. :)

I would be curious as well to see a psych eval done here, to see what Chris' cognitive profile looks like. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a generally low- to below-average cognitive profile, though.

This is just my opinion, but I would think Chris would fit best into this category:

21 - 30 Behavior is considerably influenced by delusions or hallucinations or serious impairment, in communication or judgment (e.g., sometimes incoherent, acts grossly inappropriately, suicidal preoccupation) or inability to function in almost all areas (e.g., stays in bed all day, no job, home, or friends)

" inability to function in almost all areas"
"Behavior is considerably influenced by delusions or hallucinations"
"serious impairment, in communication or judgment"

I don't think that he's a lost cause, I think that he could function in society at a basic level if he was willing to change and received professional help. But as it stands right now, Chris is a train wreck of a human being.

If he got a psych eval done at this point, the GAF would probably not be used...this construct was taken out of the DSM-5. However, I wouldn't disagree with you here. He seems to be functioning at a very low level.
 
Just a bit of info on IQ scores and such, as someone who completes psychological/psychoeducational exams... Intelligence tests measure several different constructs, usually utilizing the CHC model of intelligence, such as processing speed, working memory, fluid intelligence, crystallized intelligence, auditory processing, etc. The scores on each of these constructs are then amalgamated into an "average" of sorts, known as the intelligence quotient (IQ). It's not very common to see someone measure with similar scores across the board on all of these constructs. In fact (especially for individuals with autism or other neuroatypical issues), typically you see a profile of strengths and weaknesses, like average crystallized intelligence, below average processing speed, high average fluid reasoning, etc. In that sense, the IQ score is often derived from discrepant scores, which means it isn't as valid and doesn't tell you as much as analyzing each score separately. Hope that kinda makes sense. :)

I would be curious as well to see a psych eval done here, to see what Chris' cognitive profile looks like. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a generally low- to below-average cognitive profile, though.

Can you give me a run down of what such tests include? I am writing somthing at the moment and getting a understanding of how it's progressed from the basic tests to how it is today would be beneficial.
 
I would be curious as well to see a psych eval done here, to see what Chris' cognitive profile looks like. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a generally low- to below-average cognitive profile, though.
This sounds right. Autism and ASD people aren't geniuses or idiots; they vary like other people. The way they see the world differently can be both a benefit and a cost mostly independent of their IQ.

We've seen his schoolwork like history papers, which is tough to make direct interpretations from, especially with the 'tism. However, we do have one more measure: reports from The Game Place on how he regularly lost Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh games to children. Those games are dependent on luck and mental ability (and money, but he could easily be dumping in more money than the kids) and he usually lost.
 
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