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FUCK. I'll be honest and say I didn't even realize she was still alive, but we have lost a legend folks. I'll try to pick a clip from one of her episodes but jesus christ its late and I'm scattered already as it is.
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FUCK. I'll be honest and say I didn't even realize she was still alive, but we have lost a legend folks. I'll try to pick a clip from one of her episodes but jesus christ its late and I'm scattered already as it is.
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The premise of "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" seems rather embarrassingly parochial, like suggesting that the Japanese, Chinese and Koreans should all shake hands and agree to drop their ancestral mutual hatred merely because they all have epicanthic folds.
Affectionate self-parodies, maybe? DS9 had a lot of Jewish stand-ins. The Ferengi were the "comedically-eccentric, family-oriented peddler" Jews, the Bajorans were post-WWII "former hardcore terrorists but we're going to tip-toe around that" Israeli nationalists, and the Changelings were the Crypto-Jew/Protocols of Zion types.
Zero Mostel seemed to enjoy playing a scheming swindler and sex-pest from time to time. Of course, his characters were presented as ultimately harmless and lovable, rather like DS9's resident family of Ferengi (you know, despite the fact that in addition to booze and gambling, Quark's business runs on VR porn and perhaps prostitution).
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The Gemhadar as golem maybe? Cardassians as white supremacists/nazis - their nationalism was definitely treated with scorn more than once in the series?
The production in general is heartily Jewish and it shows. After a lifetime of watching entertainment made almost entirely by, or approved by, Jews, the recurring themes and values do tend to stick once you become more familiar with judaism and jewish cultures. DS9 was not unlike SJW-type shows of today, only back then they did it somewhat modestly, weaving that sort of cultural marxist narrative around likable characters and compelling story-telling.
I do miss the days when that wasn't so in-your-face, and accompanied by actual quality productions. DS9 is like Star Trek with woke subcurrents, while STD is woke wearing a cheap plastic Star Trek Halloween with a photo of Spock on its chest.
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Vorta are Lawyer members of the tribe
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Oh god. Look, I know Gene was a commie sympathizer and everything, but the Jewish themes throughout Hollywood and indeed Star Trek as well are probably just that; Jewish themes. I mean every fucking holiday of theirs is about being alone in the dark or escaping from something or even that really fucked up one where everyone committed suicide (Masada, I believe. Shit, even that got namedropped in Doomsday Machine, where a guy actually kills himself too. Might be a coincidence though.)
Point is, its not surprising to me that people raised around those sorts of stories would lean more towards a collectivist angle than a libertarian one. I know there are actual Cultural Marxists floating around out there, but they're crackpots. I could run a better fucking conspiracy from my house than they can; they can barely conspire to tie their shoes. Let's try not to let this thread go full William S. Lind.
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Legend has it the people they were defending all committed suicide to deny to Romans any slaves or whatever. I'm one of those people that, once a historical account gets old enough I begin to wonder if it was really as dramatic as it was portrayed but that's just a personal bias of mine.
Also I'm pretty sure its an Orthodox Jew holiday at least, I dunno if more modernized Jews care to celebrate it because, well, its pretty fucking depressing.
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They did. When the soldiers broke through into the place (which was a summer home for Herod), all the defenders they had been fighting were dead along with their families. The military gear had been burned but all the food was piled up as a giant middle finger to the Romans - "we could have held out longer." So definitely suicide. Josephus recorded the incident and the "die free rather than live as slaves" because of a woman (maybe 2) and some kids who were not killed as they had no father/husband in the group. They've even found the lots used to determine which of the remaining men would die in what order.
It's one of those events we have as much evidence as we possibly could for that time without using a time machine.
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Depressing? I mean, I guess, but when this was yet another Jewish rebellion against the Romans (this one kicked off by slaughtering the Roman garrison after they'd surrendered, if memory serves) it seems like a pretty tame response on Titus's part. Remember what the Romans did to Carthage when they finally got sick of their shit?
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Carthage was far away enough from Rome that all they had to do was fuck off and quit fucking with Rome and there would have been no need to finish them off. But noooo, they had to keep poking.
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Well, I say depressing from a normie perspective. Unlike this thread (apparently) seems to be, the average person doesn't seem to care much for history or know how bloody it was, including Jews. I presume a lot of modern Jewish families just sweep it under the rug so you don't have to explain to little Timmy how a bunch of people died horribly in some 2000 year-old massacre/conflict/whatever.
Granted my original point was that as people from a culture like that get older and begin to study such stories of the past (Jews do keep lots of records) it inevitably influences their work if they become creative types. Hell, I've got no Jew blood in me at all and I find this stuff pretty compelling.
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Of course you're right, its just a fun topic to sperg on sometimes.
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Of course you're right, its just a fun topic to sperg on sometimes.
Fair enough.
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Its included in a all inclusive "bad day for the jews" holiday
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Are you kidding? The lefty Jews I know can't get enough of moaning about how MEEEEEEEEEAN people were to them in the past (always for no reason aside from hating Jews of course, they were good bois who dindu nuffin) and how that gives them special moral authority to tell people how they ought to live, act, and think in [the current year.]
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Well sure, but that's political moaning and bullshitting. Which, unpopular opinion I know, I believe is separate from how people live their personal lives. Unless you're the kid of like a legit crazy political activist or something I doubt there are hour-long REEEE sessions about oppression or whatever around the dinner table.
Of course, assuming people even have proper families anymore. I've kind of lost track of the shit that's happening outside my bunker.
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The Ferengi were originally meant to be a race who could only conceieve of material value and lacked the ability to comprehend idealistic value. When summarized like this, it's clear to see why TNG writers wanted the Ferengi to become the new Klingons (great enemies of the federation) because Star Trek's human race has transended beyond materialism.
However, the commie fag writers of TNG ended up using the Ferengi as a punching bag for the all the woes and evils of archaic capitalism. Because portraying capitalism without Jews is like Jesus without the Trinity, the commitee think writers inadvertantly created space Jews. Once they all realized they accidentally created a clearly Semetic alien species, they tried to cover this up by making them as eccentric and cartoonish as possible - but they ended up just making them into Jewish caricatures.
DS9 is actually my favourite ideration of Star Trek for this exact reason actually. Even when I was watching Star Trek as wee lad, I thought the Federation's structure and morality was far too idealistic to be pragmatic. The Cardassians, and later the Dominon, are EXACTLY how I imagined a space faring society would be structured. Seasons 3 - 6 are fantastic because it just consistantly shows two poorly structured societies (the Marxist Federation and Fuedal Klingons) getting the shit beaten out of them by two highly efficient and ruthless alien empires (the Cardassians and Dominion).
The ideals of the Federation crumbling under the weight of reality on the frontier of space. It is a perfect parallel to the lefty/marxist university graduate who implodes once he is required to contribute to society or the European Union's collapse due to a random civil war in the Middle East. If it weren't for the show's Deus Ex Machina, the federation would have collapsed. The show knew that the fictional Federation couldn't defend itself against an actual space empire, and admitted this through saving the federation by some fucked up miracle and making Dukat into space Anti-Christ in the 7th season.
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They're more ambivalent than purely evil, and are actually a pretty good alien species for that reason. I doubt you could get away with creating them in current year. I find it hard to believe, though, that creating them the way they are was purely accidental. Space Jews are ridiculously common in fiction, sometimes accidental ones and sometimes on purpose.
At least Ferengi aren't as cartoonishly villainous as other Space Jews like Watto in the first Star Wars prequel.
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I mostly agree but must confess, is every cheapskate with a harsh voice a Jew in reality? Because that's all those characters really are in most fiction.
Like Christ, I'm a cheap fucking bastard and my throat sounds like a bag of hammers being tosssed around on a gravel road. Should I convert?
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Watto also had a giant Jew nose. I don't know if it was on purpose but he was an alien Happy Merchant so blatant it was ridiculous.