EU Germany: Don't panic over 'Islamic State' returnees' arrival - Don't worry, they will be under "surveillance"

CaesarCzech · Nov 17, 2019

Secret Asshole said:
....so you're taking back people who have probably raped, murdered, executed civilians and committed the most horrible warcrimes of the 21st century.

Why?

There's no de-radicalizing that. There just isn't. You don't go and fight for an organization like ISIS and suddenly go, "Oh yeah, all that rape and civilian murder was completely wrong. I believe in women's rights and freedom."

No you dumb faggots, they LOST and now they want to whine and go back to comfort in a first world country to live off gibs. They'll never be productive members of society. They'll disappear into the parallel society you have created and wax poetic about how they raped infidel women to death.

Even fucking Britain, as cucked as it is, didn't take ISIS fighters back. All other European nations don't want them back. Except for Germany for some dumbfuck reason. (The problem is that they're too afraid to be called Islamophobic if they just throw them in prison for treason, but at the same time don't want them running around their country. Germany is just faggot enough to be 'tolerant'.

You don't tolerate people who join ISIS. As soon as they get back to your country, you shackle them, convict them of treason and hang them. Christ, this isn't fucking hard. "Oh but you'll piss off the Muslims" Who gives a fuck what some backward cousin-fucking Arabs think. Fuck them.

Yep, Even if you naively decide that someone actually regrets it then at the very least if you are not hanging them atleast punish them like nazis at nuremburg, 20 years minimum not some parltry 5 or 7 years.

byuu · Nov 17, 2019

HeyYou said:
That family is only the first of at least 95, only 33 of which have active investigations into them.

That's the total number of suspected Germany ISIS fighters still in custody across several countries.
Not the number of people that will return any time soon. But I do agree that they should have already launched investigations into all of them to be properly prepared.

HeyYou · Nov 17, 2019

garakfan69 said:
That's the total number of suspected Germany ISIS fighters still in custody across several countries.
Not the number of people that will return any time soon. But I do agree that they should have already launched investigations into all of them to be properly prepared.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're German citizens. A fair amount of them must have actually been attempting to join ISIS. When they return (and they will have to eventually) and Germany has no investigations into them because the government is burying its head in the sand, and thus they're going back to their normal lives, there's going to be a shitstorm. And rightfully so. Germany is lucky that they're starting with a family that might not have actually been there to join ISIS. But like the article says, the next two women returning are already going to be more difficult.

Shiversblood · Nov 17, 2019

I think that it should be like, illegal or something, for someone to join isis. Hopefully one day in the future Germany will change its laws to make it illegal to join isis.

Nov 17, 2019

Shiversblood said:
I think that it should be like, illegal or something, for someone to join isis. Hopefully one day in the future Germany will change its laws to make it illegal to join isis.

That's an interesting idea. It would, in fact, be quite simple to do an end run around this inexplicable failure of the occupied Germany government to outlaw the puppets of their bosses by just giving these terrorists over to the legitimate Syrian government.

Odd that this isn't happening, isn't it?

CaesarCzech said:
punish them like nazis at nuremburg, 20 years minimum not some parltry 5 or 7 years.

Are you asking that these innocent babes in the cradle be tortured with hot pokers, by having their testicles crushed, etc, until they confess to 'war crimes' that can be used to dispossess the Palestinian people of their homeland?

That's already been done.

who dare wins? · Nov 17, 2019

well, when will the next "truck of peace" be with all these new "refugees"?

Alec Benson Leary · Nov 17, 2019

I'm going to side with the cuck leftards on this one and say that this is actually the fair and reasonable way to treat relatives of terrorists/attempted terrorists, although a lot more infrastructure needs to be actually effective in order to support this.

We could benefit from a lot more detail that the article doesn't offer, but on its face it sounds like there isn't any concrete claim to be made about bad actions on the family's part. We all here agree that it's atrocious and deplorable that Islam oppresses women and children and the patriarchs of a family basically own their family like slaves, right? At some point you need to be able to offer those people a chance to get out from under it. You can say all you want that they're probably terrorism supporters too, but if you lock a muslim out of all options for living in a society then you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and that's on you. I'll agree that Germany probably won't effect surveillance on them in any useful way, but truly just options need to be considered.

If that doesn't dissuade the dumb ratings, think of it this way: probably the single principle that unites all kiwis on the farm more than any other is that we don't want to be put in a pen and have our rights curtailed just because we practice life in a way that lands us on the wrong person's shit list. If your response to that is "all muslims want to kill and rape us so their rights don't count", then we don't have much further to discuss. That's what the leftards say about you. You can argue that the golden rule goes so far and at some point you have to admit some groups are worse than others, and I do understand that, but you also have to think about how easy it is to forget it the instant it becomes inconvenient and not take the golden rule far enough.

As an example, look at the Westboro church. Yes I know it's just a rural cult of 40-odd lawyers who don't do anything beside protesting and being assholes, my point isn't to compare them to the violence of Islamist groups that have membership in the thousands and passive positive PR among millions. My point is that I bet a lot of kiwis would be very bothered if the government started going extreme in curtailing the rights of Baptists in an effort to control them, even though those kiwis might agree that the Westboro people are unlikable assholes. Since the argument will be that islamist groups threaten world freedom (which is true) so stronger measures are warranted, the question then becomes: when do you decide you've beaten them enough to remove the threat? The answer is usually "never". The government doesn't lift a curfew once it's imposed, which again is a sentiment I expect most kiwis care about deeply. I despise how the Westboro people behave but from everything I hear they're actually damn skilled lawyers and they'll take any case, if I ever needed their legal skills someday I'd be a hypocrite to want the government to, say, disbar them all just because they're on the shit list.

At some point all the talk about extremism and hostile insulation and even shit like IQs needs to give some ground to the point that a lot of those factors are not causal, but rather symptoms of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I think it's actually the same exact fallacy that surrounds affirmative action. We have to make sure that 20% of college admissions to XYZ program go to blacks/women/whatever. Leftists push this because allegedly those people are systemically disadvantaged by a bigoted establishment. Right wing/conservative pushback (not all, but specifically one type for sake of this argument) is that such systemic bias is nonexistent so if those minorities were capable of succeeding on their own they wouldn't need help... therefore they must be inherently inferior or unsuited. But both sides end up missing the concept that those minorities may legitimately be unsuited for advanced education/fields, but not because they're genetically predisposed to it - it's because the affirmative action programs reward the minority members who play a numbers game and effectively discourage members from pursuing a state of honest parity with their white male counterparts that they would otherwise be perfectly capable of attaining. Even though that's what the proponents of such programs claim is their goal - that's my whole point, a legitimate state of inequality is created by the people who claim they oppose the people who claim it exists in the first place! ...Let's extend that to the IQ idea, since that's one of the more obvious racialist arguments currently. The average African IQ may legitimately be lower than that of the average European, but I contend that there are plenty of factors like the inconsistency/inadequacy of standardized IQ testing, the failure to reach people in shitty countries with no infrastructure, and most importantly the fact that people who are debilitated by disease and starvation aren't performing at their best. Call me a flower child communist if you want but I think if you take an African baby and raise him in European culture he'll do just fine, aside from the harmful cultural biases that are imposed upon him from the consistently racist left.

So to connect that back to Islam, I think a lot of isolationist, extremist, and generally non-compatible cultural issues among muslim communities in the west comes from a lack of outreach in those western communities. The muslims have a lot of work to do too. But any muslim who wants to break away from barbaric traditions, no one is helping matters by cutting them off and sending them back to their barbaric family or mosque. To me, that's no different than the white limousine leftists who are only outraged at abuses of women when white college students are catcalled on the quad. There's enough kiwis here that have respect for Ayan Hirsi Ali and Yasmine Mohammad to understand why shitty muslim practices are going to continue specifically because the west keeps brushing them off. The left brushes them off by excusing their shitty cultural practices, and the right brushes them off by making an exception for tolerance by saying "we need to make reasonable accommodations for different religious ideals, except fuck those sand niggers". I don't know much about this muslim family, but I know I probably don't like their conservative religiosity any more than i do that of super-conservative christians. The difference is that the christians won't bomb me like the muslims right? But there have been periods where the christians would bomb me, yet our country continues to function even though we make efforts to live together.

FuckedUp · Nov 17, 2019

Alec Benson Leary said:
I'm going to side with the cuck leftards on this one and say that this is actually the fair and reasonable way to treat relatives of terrorists/attempted terrorists, although a lot more infrastructure needs to be actually effective in order to support this.

We could benefit from a lot more detail that the article doesn't offer, but on its face it sounds like there isn't any concrete claim to be made about bad actions on the family's part. We all here agree that it's atrocious and deplorable that Islam oppresses women and children and the patriarchs of a family basically own their family like slaves, right? At some point you need to be able to offer those people a chance to get out from under it. You can say all you want that they're probably terrorism supporters too, but if you lock a muslim out of all options for living in a society then you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and that's on you. I'll agree that Germany probably won't effect surveillance on them in any useful way, but truly just options need to be considered.

If that doesn't dissuade the dumb ratings, think of it this way: probably the single principle that unites all kiwis on the farm more than any other is that we don't want to be put in a pen and have our rights curtailed just because we practice life in a way that lands us on the wrong person's shit list. If your response to that is "all muslims want to kill and rape us so their rights don't count", then we don't have much further to discuss. That's what the leftards say about you. You can argue that the golden rule goes so far and at some point you have to admit some groups are worse than others, and I do understand that, but you also have to think about how easy it is to forget it the instant it becomes inconvenient and not take the golden rule far enough.

As an example, look at the Westboro church. Yes I know it's just a rural cult of 40-odd lawyers who don't do anything beside protesting and being assholes, my point isn't to compare them to the violence of Islamist groups that have membership in the thousands and passive positive PR among millions. My point is that I bet a lot of kiwis would be very bothered if the government started going extreme in curtailing the rights of Baptists in an effort to control them, even though those kiwis might agree that the Westboro people are unlikable assholes. Since the argument will be that islamist groups threaten world freedom (which is true) so stronger measures are warranted, the question then becomes: when do you decide you've beaten them enough to remove the threat? The answer is usually "never". The government doesn't lift a curfew once it's imposed, which again is a sentiment I expect most kiwis care about deeply. I despise how the Westboro people behave but from everything I hear they're actually damn skilled lawyers and they'll take any case, if I ever needed their legal skills someday I'd be a hypocrite to want the government to, say, disbar them all just because they're on the shit list.

At some point all the talk about extremism and hostile insulation and even shit like IQs needs to give some ground to the point that a lot of those factors are not causal, but rather symptoms of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I think it's actually the same exact fallacy that surrounds affirmative action. We have to make sure that 20% of college admissions to XYZ program go to blacks/women/whatever. Leftists push this because allegedly those people are systemically disadvantaged by a bigoted establishment. Right wing/conservative pushback (not all, but specifically one type for sake of this argument) is that such systemic bias is nonexistent so if those minorities were capable of succeeding on their own they wouldn't need help... therefore they must be inherently inferior or unsuited. But both sides end up missing the concept that those minorities may legitimately be unsuited for advanced education/fields, but not because they're genetically predisposed to it - it's because the affirmative action programs reward the minority members who play a numbers game and effectively discourage members from pursuing a state of honest parity with their white male counterparts that they would otherwise be perfectly capable of attaining. Even though that's what the proponents of such programs claim is their goal - that's my whole point, a legitimate state of inequality is created by the people who claim they oppose the people who claim it exists in the first place! ...Let's extend that to the IQ idea, since that's one of the more obvious racialist arguments currently. The average African IQ may legitimately be lower than that of the average European, but I contend that there are plenty of factors like the inconsistency/inadequacy of standardized IQ testing, the failure to reach people in shitty countries with no infrastructure, and most importantly the fact that people who are debilitated by disease and starvation aren't performing at their best. Call me a flower child communist if you want but I think if you take an African baby and raise him in European culture he'll do just fine, aside from the harmful cultural biases that are imposed upon him from the consistently racist left.

So to connect that back to Islam, I think a lot of isolationist, extremist, and generally non-compatible cultural issues among muslim communities in the west comes from a lack of outreach in those western communities. The muslims have a lot of work to do too. But any muslim who wants to break away from barbaric traditions, no one is helping matters by cutting them off and sending them back to their barbaric family or mosque. To me, that's no different than the white limousine leftists who are only outraged at abuses of women when white college students are catcalled on the quad. There's enough kiwis here that have respect for Ayan Hirsi Ali and Yasmine Mohammad to understand why shitty muslim practices are going to continue specifically because the west keeps brushing them off. The left brushes them off by excusing their shitty cultural practices, and the right brushes them off by making an exception for tolerance by saying "we need to make reasonable accommodations for different religious ideals, except fuck those sand niggers". I don't know much about this muslim family, but I know I probably don't like their conservative religiosity any more than i do that of super-conservative christians. The difference is that the christians won't bomb me like the muslims right? But there have been periods where the christians would bomb me, yet our country continues to function even though we make efforts to live together.

I agree, but you must cite your sources or I'll have to give you a 0 and report you to the dean for plagiarism

Alec Benson Leary · Nov 17, 2019

FuckedUp said:
I agree, but you must cite your sources or I'll have to give you a 0 and report you to the dean for plagiarism

Academic standards are an institution of the patriarchy.

pwnest injun · Nov 17, 2019

You know how it's really hard to find someone who lived through the failure of the USSR who thinks that Communism is a great idea worth dying for? I sort of wonder if these failed Jihadis might be like that? I doubt it for most, but there are likely a few who got a taste of the true Islam and vomited.

neverendingmidi · Nov 17, 2019

It will be fun to see how many of the returns or their children truck-of-peace people in the future.

Stoneheart · Nov 17, 2019

HeyYou said:
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're German citizens. A fair amount of them must have actually been attempting to join ISIS.

Its a singn of failed integration politics. most of them should have neven gotten german citizenship.
also a good number of them are dual citizen and should just get their citizenship rewoked.

AltisticRight · Nov 18, 2019

Alex Poulos said:
If you're referring to the AfD as "far-right" then you're wrong. It's quite in the center of the political left-right spectrum.

Centre means they are on the right of Mao Ze Dong.
So yeah, far right.

FuckRightShift · Nov 18, 2019

These are fellow human beings escaping the worst of the worst governments in the world.
Frankly you assholes deserve to be stamped out like the last Nazi regime.

turboNIG-3k · Nov 18, 2019

FuckRightShift said:
These are fellow human beings escaping the worst of the worst governments in the world.
Frankly you assholes deserve to be stamped out like the last Nazi regime.

If it's brown, flush it down.

Niggernerd · Nov 18, 2019

Jeb-sama said:
Europe is a giant cat lady that tries to adopt every stray cat in existence

but instead pissing everywhere they just blow up everywhere and throw nail grenades

Arkancide Pact · Nov 18, 2019

FuckRightShift said:
These are fellow human beings escaping the worst of the worst governments in the world.
Frankly you assholes deserve to be stamped out like the last Nazi regime.

They are fellow human beings who helped create and fight for the worst of the worst government in the world, to torture and behead their fellow human beings.

Do you have the same sympathy for those poor former Nazis?

Manwithn0n0men · Nov 18, 2019

AltisticRight said:
"Don't worry about people returning from a genocidal murderous wannabe caliphate terrorist group, this 80-year-old lady denied the holocaust and this racist neonazi white man said on Twitter that he prefers legal immigration."

"Also don't worry about them importing and selling Arabic editions of Mein Kampf. They arent actually Nazis"

Heather Mason · Nov 18, 2019

FuckRightShift said:
These are fellow human beings escaping the worst of the worst governments in the world.
Frankly you assholes deserve to be stamped out like the last Nazi regime.

What's worse? Internet "racists" or ISIS sympathizers?

FuckRightShift · Nov 18, 2019

Heather Mason said:
What's worse? Internet "racists" or ISIS sympathizers?

Internet racists are radicalizing members of the Muslim community.

EU Germany: Don't panic over 'Islamic State' returnees' arrival - Don't worry, they will be under "surveillance"

CaesarCzech

byuu

Creator of ZSNES

HeyYou

YOU BETTER RUN!

Shiversblood

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WHO DARES BATTLE THE SARACEN

who dare wins?

Insert sniggering here

Alec Benson Leary

Creator of Asperchu

FuckedUp

Done with this autism chamber

Alec Benson Leary

Creator of Asperchu

pwnest injun

Order is a gift

neverendingmidi

it just goes on and on and on and on...

Stoneheart

Well hung, and snow white tan

AltisticRight

FuckRightShift

turboNIG-3k

Neither Rich nor Evans

Niggernerd

Hooked on Monkey Phonics

Arkancide Pact

Manwithn0n0men

Heather Mason

Best Girl

FuckRightShift