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Germany: Don't panic over 'Islamic State' returnees' arrival
https://dw.com/en/germany-dont-panic-over-islamic-state-returnees-arrival/a-51253101 (http://archive.vn/kWo6y)

Berlin has tried to reassure the public that suspected German Islamic State supporters being deported from Turkey do not pose a security threat. Critics say the government should have brought them back sooner.

A family of seven German Islamists arrived in Berlin on Thursday after the Turkish Interior Ministry announced earlier this week that it would start deportations of captured "Islamic State" supporters.

There are no German arrest warrants for the family of German-Iraqi Kanan B., meaning they will be free to return to their homes in the central German state of Lower Saxony, though under police observation.

According to Turkish authorities, Kanan B. tried to travel to Syria with his family about a year ago, but it is not known if he arrived. The family, consisting of two parents, two adult children, plus three minors, had been in custody in the Turkish city of Izmir since March.

German authorities said they do not believe Kanan B.'s family ever joined Islamic State, but that he was part of the "Salafist spectrum," which means the family members are thought to observe a particularly conservative interpretation of Islam.

No need for panic

Armin Schuster, the interior policy spokesman for Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU), insisted that the German returnees were not "serious cases," and warned against media-fueled hysteria.

"They did not take part in the fighting," he told the Deutschlandfunk radio station. "They won't be sent to prison but they have to be kept under surveillance." He added that the cases would be thoroughly assessed and that such procedures were routine for German security forces. Schuster also rejected reports that the Turkish announcement caught German authorities by surprise and that Ankara did not provide adequate notice ahead of the deportations.

More problematic deportations coming

The other two Germans being returned by Turkey in the coming days are "a little more difficult," Schuster said. The two women are already under investigation in Germany and are to be picked up by authorities at the airport, questioned and searched. Prosecutors will then decide whether there is enough evidence to issue an arrest warrant.

German opposition parties have been critical of the government's failure to face the problem sooner. Stephan Thomae, deputy leader of the Free Democratic Party (FDP), acknowledged that Berlin had little choice but to accept German citizens deported by another country, but "the government kept its head in the sand for a long time, didn't want to have anything to do with these cases," he told DW. "That is coming back to bite them now. It would have been better if the government had made contact with Turkey much earlier to discuss such processes."

Some critics have argued that German prosecutors have little chance of bringing cases against IS members because of the difficulty proving their suspected roles in the war in Syria.

But lawyer Mahmut Erdem insisted that it was "not impossible" for convictions to be made. Erdem represents several families whose relatives have left the country in an attempt to join IS, and works to bring them back from prisons in Turkey or Syria.

"We have to be able to bring the victims of these perpetrators to Germany as witnesses before a proper court," he said. "Why aren't Yezidi women questioned as witnesses?" He also pointed out that Kurdish groups had offered to help find evidence against foreign IS fighters.

Bring home, de-radicalize

Ninety-five German suspected IS supporters are believed to be in custody in Turkey, Syria, or Iraq. German police have active investigations against 33 of them and arrest warrants have been issued in 26 cases, according to the dpa news agency.

Meanwhile, dozens of IS members have already faced court in Germany after voluntarily returning, and even those against whom there is no evidence of actual crimes are usually put under surveillance by state police or domestic intelligence agencies.

Thomas Mücke, founder and head of the Violence Prevention Network, said it is possible to deradicalize IS returnees, as it is with any extremists, and that his organization has visited several in prison. "We have had experiences with 36 IS returnees," he told DW. "With young people, we can do a lot."

He pointed out that his organization had successfully helped a 17-year-old who had been put into a suicide command unit. "Today he is 24 and living a completely normal life in Germany," Mücke said.

He added that it would have been better to bring more people back to Europe, rather than leaving them in Turkish or Syrian prisons, surrounded by other extremists.

"That would've been more organized than is the case now," he said.
 
This is some weird national sexual fetish right? I just can't process it any other way
Wars between cultures never ended, they have just changed form.

Why would an enemy get their hands dirty committing a murder if they can convince the potential victim to just kill themselves?
 
"Don't worry about people returning from a genocidal murderous wannabe caliphate terrorist group, this 80-year-old lady denied the holocaust and this racist neonazi white man said on Twitter that he prefers legal immigration."
 
Why not just shoot all these "former" terrorists?

I legitimately don't get it.
 
If the police can actually keep up their surveillance patterns effectively (which is always in doubt, it seems like 99% of all terrorism-related offenses were by people various security organisations had every reason to have taken into custody ages ago) I don't see a problem with this.

I'm trying to remember where, and where I was reading about it, but I'm pretty sure this scenario already played out in a different country a year-or-so ago and their national security apparatus completely lost track of each and every one of them almost immediately.
 
....so you're taking back people who have probably raped, murdered, executed civilians and committed the most horrible warcrimes of the 21st century.

Why?

There's no de-radicalizing that. There just isn't. You don't go and fight for an organization like ISIS and suddenly go, "Oh yeah, all that rape and civilian murder was completely wrong. I believe in women's rights and freedom."

No you dumb faggots, they LOST and now they want to whine and go back to comfort in a first world country to live off gibs. They'll never be productive members of society. They'll disappear into the parallel society you have created and wax poetic about how they raped infidel women to death.

Even fucking Britain, as cucked as it is, didn't take ISIS fighters back. All other European nations don't want them back. Except for Germany for some dumbfuck reason. (The problem is that they're too afraid to be called Islamophobic if they just throw them in prison for treason, but at the same time don't want them running around their country. Germany is just faggot enough to be 'tolerant'.

You don't tolerate people who join ISIS. As soon as they get back to your country, you shackle them, convict them of treason and hang them. Christ, this isn't fucking hard. "Oh but you'll piss off the Muslims" Who gives a fuck what some backward cousin-fucking Arabs think. Fuck them.
 
Why not just shoot all these "former" terrorists?

I legitimately don't get it.
They already were full German citizens before they left and there's that thing called rule of law and presumption of innocence.

I don't know what you want the German courts to do when there's no concrete evidence of any crime.
They're already investigating them and have them under surveillance. That's really all they can do legally.

I don't know about you but I don't want my government to break the law and its fundamental democratic principles whenever it's convenient.
 
They already were full German citizens before they left and there's that thing called rule of law and presumption of innocence.

I don't know what you want the German courts to do when there's no concrete evidence of any crime.
They're already investigating them and have them under surveillance. That's really all they can do legally.

I don't know about you but I don't want my government to break the law and its fundamental democratic principles whenever it's convenient.
They provably moved to ISIS territories and supported ISIS. Previous German citizenship is meaningless in the face of that fact.

Isn't supporting a terrorist organization (so much that you move to its territories to contribute to that society) already a crime in and of itself in Germany?
 
They provably moved to ISIS territories and supported ISIS.
No they didn't. Did you not read the article? They tried to move to Syria. They were never in any ISIS territory.
And they are suspected to be in support of ISIS.
All the German police is sure of is that they are Salafists. Who are generally under close watch in Germany and several German Salafist organisations got banned but it's not automatically illegal.

If you can prove they actually did any of that then please forward it to the German authorities.
 
No they didn't. Did you not read the article? They tried to move to Syria. They were never in any ISIS territory.
And they are suspected to be in support of ISIS.
All the German police is sure of is that they are Salafists. Who are generally under close watch in Germany and several German Salafist organisations got banned but it's not automatically illegal.

If you can prove they actually did any of that then please forward it to the German authorities.
>They tried to move to ISIS territory
>They were never in any ISIS territory

Yet the article says that
but it is not known if he arrived
which, if you really think about, basically just means that they did end up in Syria (otherwise why the deportations), but the German government wants to "hammer things out" before telling the public.

If you think that Salafis would somehow stop trying or seriously struggle to get to an Islamist territory when they really want to, you're just kidding yourself.
 
> "Your honor, I *intended* to kill him, but I missed!"
> "Well there you go, no crime committed here!"


Why do all the apologists come out for the Muslim terrorists? Unless you're bringing prepubescent sex-slaves to your Imam and beheading apostates between goat-rapings they'll kill you too. Hell, that probably won't save you regardless.
 
which, if you really think about, basically just means that they did end up in Syria (otherwise why the deportations), but the German government wants to "hammer things out" before telling the public.
What do the deportations prove? Turkey held them based on suspicions alone and they got sick and tired of Germany doing jack shit about it for months. Germany was content on just letting them rot in a Turkish prison for all eternity without any actual legal process. The whole thing reminds me a bit of the Murat Kurnaz case.

Yet you guys act like the German government was trawling the Middle East for ISIS fighters to import.
 
What do the deportations prove? Turkey held them based on suspicions alone and they got sick and tired of Germany doing jack shit about it for months. Germany was content on just letting them rot in a Turkish prison for all eternity without any actual legal process. The whole thing reminds me a bit of the Murat Kurnaz case.

Yet you guys act like the German government was trawling the Middle East for ISIS fighters to import.
There's no legal process here, most are getting returned to Germany with no criminal charges. They're a ticking time bomb that will almost certainly be used by right-leaning politicians to campaign against immigration (after all, you let in tons of immigrants and once they have citizen kids you can't do jack shit about it), of course Germany doesn't want them back.

Also, this is nothing like the Murat Kurnaz case. That guy actually did nothing wrong. This is a case where most of the dudes, if not all, actually did something wrong (you know, attempting to join a terrorist organization) but they may not have done something illegal. Of course Germany wants no part in this shit.
 
Reeducating the takfiris is unlikely. If the Germans had any common sense they would deport these paper citizens to so-called 'Saudi' Arabia, the source of the problem, Trump's second-greatest 'ally'.

I dunno. China claims they are having great success with it. They send them off to special camp To “re-educate” them, or make them productive members of society... well at least their kidneys, hearts and livers.
 
Also, this is nothing like the Murat Kurnaz case. That guy actually did nothing wrong. This is a case where most of the dudes, if not all, actually did something wrong (you know, attempting to join a terrorist organization) but they may not have done something illegal.
We know that now. But when he was arrested he looked at least as much of a terrorist as that family.
He travelled to a terrorist hotbed and his own parents accused him of wanting to join the Taliban.
According to A&H that's more than enough reason to execute him without due process.
 
We know that now. But when he was arrested he looked at least as much of a terrorist as that family.
He travelled to a terrorist hotbed and his own parents accused him of wanting to join the Taliban.
According to A&H that's more than enough reason to execute him without due process.
That family is only the first of at least 95, only 33 of which have active investigations into them.
 
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