Society's General Depressive Worldview

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It's multiple layers that's causing this depression and lack of positivity in current society.

Looking at sexual dynamics: Men and women are having less families and are tied into a corporate "brainwashing" of sorts that has led them astray and made both sides unhappy. In regards to men it is a lack of a family unit or a biological drive or even a fear caused by the likes of the legal system that has become one dimensional. Against their best interest. In regards to women it is the false belief they can be major businessmen (or women) and have a decent family unit, and toomuchchoiceism has left many unsatisfied because they don't know how to properly sttle. This is also happening in Japan, and many western countries and it's not coincidental. For instance studies have shown women are now more unhappy more than ever, and the family unit and reproducting units outside of foreign groups is at all time lows.

Economically: although the West is currently stable to a degree, the people are becoming either nihilistic or ignorant of their own voting processes and end up for instance voting for majorly high taxes which in the long run makes their living conditions a burden and harder to manage, and in regards to rising wages they are getting less work or forced into multiple jobs and due to the amount of people coming in they can be replaced for any reason at any time. This creates an unsafe and risky environment. When you have no safety net, well negative emotions are going to develop. (Without getting too deep into why that is.)

The people such as in the west are watching their culture diminish and become "third worldian" in some areas, or fully awful in others. A great example would be Illinois, California and more just from the US. Crime is prevalent in those places, and there isn't much hope for the future for people living there. It's like a dark hole, once you're in, you don't escape from that place. Not easily.

Politicians in all western countries denying the whims of their citizens and gradually embracing corruption or selling their own people out leading to some of the above mentioned concepts, also doesn't lead to a positive outcome for the future. Not without violence and destruction, and the problem is reformation will require a lot of effort to fix the issue happening in society. If it ever does.

Technology and the internet: We see that the free bastion of the internet is now facing severe waves of internet censorship and although it hasn't fully been clamped down on it's coming in the near foreseeable future removing another bastion or option for people. Tie that into people are developing into anti-social weirdos some of which is habits developed by this non-sociable society, and it starts to pile on.

The problem isn't that things can't turn around, the problem is looking back throughout history, the solutions are always easily available if people choose to do or take the right actions to fix their societies. The issue, resides in the fact often and repeating they don't. Whether it's because of arrogance, ignorance, or refusal to admit a problem exists when it is quite clear as day.

Division, violence, corruption, ever-growing poverty, competition of hostile "immigrants" (Invaders), lack of biological drive, alienation (technology/anti-social developement) and a slow replacement of our culture, shows a large sense of why people see a depressing future either way. Unless people do turn it around it will either be bleak, filled with strife and hostility and resentment, or even worse.

In my personal belief, people have to take responsibility as a whole (society) and start holding those responsible accountable, but that's a very hard thing in a society that has given up on being as such. So, I'm not too surprised, and even though I'm sure many people realize the issue, most will complacently sit by and do nothing until the walls close around them, or wait for others to take charge, and that's not very likely either, and thus many sit by watching their faith and optimism dropping. those in good situations won't feel any negativity for a while, until they too are dragged into the same if no a similar situation.
 
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You know the world is truly messed up if people are starting to think a cataclysm forcing a "reset" is the only way to fix it.
 
Whatever it is that's wrong with society, people will always attribute it to whatever threatens their personal values because it fulfils an emotional need. A religious person will say the problem is people straying away from God, someone who hates brown people (or watches too much Fox News) will it's it's because of immigration, an incel will say it's because feminism has torn the family unit apart, and a leftist will say it's because of capitalism. They're all partially right, but missing the bigger picture.

History is a neverending series of events, each with their own causes and consequences, so it's impossible to isolate a single event and pin it as the downfall of society. Stop trying to place blame for things, history was already written since day one. At best we can ask very specific, particular questions and then try to answer them, but often times a large phenomenon is the cumulative effect of several tiny effects. I can point to the sudden increase in wealth inequality and link it to poverty or crime, but none of that happens in isolation.

Technology only worsens misinformation, soon everyone is going to live in they own private bubble with different facts and nobody is immune to it, not even you, so don't be part of the crowd. Maybe you think the problem is the alt-right or SJWs or whatever, maybe you think everything is fine and people are just exaggerating, but whatever it is it's just a way of coping and feeling superior. Go out there, see what other people think and why they think that, they're probably wrong but so are you.
 
DDBCAE CBAADCBE said:
Okay so hear me out. I have a plan to fix all of this. So here's what we do. We need to round up all of the jews, okay? Then we set 'em up in these swanky camp things. Alright and then finally we kill them all. See now if we do this correctly this SHOULD solve our problem.
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Then they'll be like cartel members in a Mexican jail. That shit's headed nowhere. Jews are nothing if not a suspicious people and many will likely relish the safety.
 
Mewtwo_Rain said:
It's multiple layers that's causing this depression and lack of positivity in current society.

Looking at sexual dynamics: Men and women are having less families and are tied into a corporate "brainwashing" of sorts that has led them astray and made both sides unhappy. In regards to men it is a lack of a family unit or a biological drive or even a fear caused by the likes of the legal system that has become one dimensional. Against their best interest. In regards to women it is the false belief they can be major businessmen (or women) and have a decent family unit, and toomuchchoiceism has left many unsatisfied because they don't know how to properly sttle. This is also happening in Japan, and many western countries and it's not coincidental. For instance studies have shown women are now more unhappy more than ever, and the family unit and reproducting units outside of foreign groups is at all time lows.

Economically: although the West is currently stable to a degree, the people are becoming either nihilistic or ignorant of their own voting processes and end up for instance voting for majorly high taxes which in the long run makes their living conditions a burden and harder to manage, and in regards to rising wages they are getting less work or forced into multiple jobs and due to the amount of people coming in they can be replaced for any reason at any time. This creates an unsafe and risky environment. When you have no safety net, well negative emotions are going to develop. (Without getting too deep into why that is.)

The people such as in the west are watching their culture diminish and become "third worldian" in some areas, or fully awful in others. A great example would be Illinois, California and more just from the US. Crime is prevalent in those places, and there isn't much hope for the future for people living there. It's like a dark hole, once you're in, you don't escape from that place. Not easily.

Politicians in all western countries denying the whims of their citizens and gradually embracing corruption or selling their own people out leading to some of the above mentioned concepts, also doesn't lead to a positive outcome for the future. Not without violence and destruction, and the problem is reformation will require a lot of effort to fix the issue happening in society. If it ever does.

Technology and the internet: We see that the free bastion of the internet is now facing severe waves of internet censorship and although it hasn't fully been clamped down on it's coming in the near foreseeable future removing another bastion or option for people. Tie that into people are developing into anti-social weirdos some of which is habits developed by this non-sociable society, and it starts to pile on.

The problem isn't that things can't turn around, the problem is looking back throughout history, the solutions are always easily available if people choose to do or take the right actions to fix their societies. The issue, resides in the fact often and repeating they don't. Whether it's because of arrogance, ignorance, or refusal to admit a problem exists when it is quite clear as day.

Division, violence, corruption, ever-growing poverty, competition of hostile "immigrants" (Invaders), lack of biological drive, alienation (technology/anti-social developement) and a slow replacement of our culture, shows a large sense of why people see a depressing future either way. Unless people do turn it around it will either be bleak, filled with strife and hostility and resentment, or even worse.

In my personal belief, people have to take responsibility as a whole (society) and start holding those responsible accountable, but that's a very hard thing in a society that has given up on being as such. So, I'm not too surprised, and even though I'm sure many people realize the issue, most will complacently sit by and do nothing until the walls close around them, or wait for others to take charge, and that's not very likely either, and thus many sit by watching their faith and optimism dropping. those in good situations won't feel any negativity for a while, until they too are dragged into the same if no a similar situation.
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This sound like an anti-villain's motive, but I don't blame them.
 
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We are, after all, just animals. Fairly smart animals, but animals none the less. As such, our biological imperative is survival and breeding, Our smarts have reduced world poverty exponentially, providing health and wealth to a degree so that we are no longer consumed with mere survival. This has provided us with leisure time in abundance and we have become self-absorbed and weak. Less of the herd is being culled by nature, and this has allowed the weak ones to breed and survive. All it would take is one good pandemic or EMP and the balance would be restored. People would no longer have the time to be depressed and negative.
Just download my consciousness now please. I would prefer not to be around for the thinning of the herd.
 
Before the internet, our perspectives were different.
Sure, things were bad over here but way over there, things were probably great.
Nowadays, we have access to information from all over the world and we know that it's shit everywhere.

Millenials and Gen Z have been born into a dying world.
The environment is polluted, the resources wasted, everything has been bought and sold a million times, there's nothing left to explore and we don't send human beings to space anymore for any other reason than fixing satellites.

Some people laugh at those who want to dismantle the current way we live but that's a very restrictive way of life and it doesn't fit everyone.
I'm not talking about left wing-right wing garbage, that's a false dichotomy.

For example, if you're somebody who doesn't like the concept of money, what can you do?
You can't just start living in the wild off the grid, you'll get arrested or chased out.
You can't live by your own rules, you have to adopt a set of rules invented by other people, usually very scummy people.
You can't establish your own nation, nobody will give you the land to do so.
Our future was determined by others before we were born, that's not a pleasant perspective.

How do you stay positive with knowing all of that?
I'm so happy that my gf is the most optimistic positive person I've ever met, a one of a kind gem that I can always count on.
As cheesy as this sounds (especially on this website), she makes me want to keep on living.
However, most people don't have that and never will. Hell, I might lose it at any moment.
 
I think it's important to point out that many people no longer value those kind and virtuous qualities that we upheld as children to be the pinnacle of righteousness. We have become a society that values self preservation and instant gratification above seemingly all else, creating our own little insular bubbles of reality upon which we can project our insecurities. To my peers and even their forefathers the truth has lost any meaning or currency it once held. The world I was promised as a boy was a lie and the dream of happiness among my fellow good natured countrymen is dead.

My father never told me there would be so much suffering. He always said to treat others the way I would want to be treated, but of course I learned very quickly that life doesn't work that way. He always said "Not everyone is like that." but every day I find that sentiment harder to believe. All I've ever known is cruelty and pain amid a few tiny interspersed sprinkles of genuine kindness and comradery. Of course everyone wants to pretend to be virtuous, everyone wants to believe that their worldview is the correct one but the fact is that we're all wrong. There was never any hope, not for any single one of us. We were all destined for failure and death from the start. The difference is that some of us are more aware of that fact than others. Some of us still cling to that dream and those ideals we had as children even though we know we can never live up to them. We'll bear that burden and it will be our curse because we were loved. I can't blame my father, he only wanted me to be happy and blissfully ignorant of the reality and story set out before me. However, this hell is our inheritance.
 
Idiotron said:
The environment is polluted, the resources wasted, everything has been bought and sold a million times, there's nothing left to explore and we don't send human beings to space anymore for any other reason than fixing satellites.
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That part is especially depressing.

In the future, either easy space travel becomes available, or after a horrible cataclysm a few survivors get to explore the wild world again (when not fighting disease or starvation). Otherwise it seems we have an increasingly technological and dystopic nanny state to look forward to. Or extinction.
 
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Idiotron said:
Before the internet, our perspectives were different.
Sure, things were bad over here but way over there, things were probably great.
Nowadays, we have access to information from all over the world and we know that it's shit everywhere.

Millenials and Gen Z have been born into a dying world.
The environment is polluted, the resources wasted, everything has been bought and sold a million times, there's nothing left to explore and we don't send human beings to space anymore for any other reason than fixing satellites.

Some people laugh at those who want to dismantle the current way we live but that's a very restrictive way of life and it doesn't fit everyone.
I'm not talking about left wing-right wing garbage, that's a false dichotomy.

For example, if you're somebody who doesn't like the concept of money, what can you do?
You can't just start living in the wild off the grid, you'll get arrested or chased out.
You can't live by your own rules, you have to adopt a set of rules invented by other people, usually very scummy people.
You can't establish your own nation, nobody will give you the land to do so.
Our future was determined by others before we were born, that's not a pleasant perspective.

How do you stay positive with knowing all of that?
I'm so happy that my gf is the most optimistic positive person I've ever met, a one of a kind gem that I can always count on.
As cheesy as this sounds (especially on this website), she makes me want to keep on living.
However, most people don't have that and never will. Hell, I might lose it at any moment.
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I don't adhere or least try adhere to this cynical point of view. Regarding the environment, most of the first world has done a good job on maintaining it lately. There's even some promise in parts the third world (not so sure about China and India). Space travel is still a possibility, especially with that gig with us still wanting to go to Mars. I don't see us slowing down anytime soon.

Call me naive.
 
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The moment I see solid evidence against being pessimistic towards the future, I'll change my mind. Until then, it's nothing but doom and gloom.

As I said in the 2020 predictions thread, Technology is only going to get better, but in the most terrible ways that directly mock concepts such as human rights and free agency. The second that an AI comes online with the rough brainpower of a human being, it's over. It's ALL over. ALL media, propaganda, and cardinal "truths" will be tailor-made to the individual and sold to them directly. People are painfully easy to manipulate, and with all of the bulk data that has been collected on every single human being living today, it's going to be the easiest thing in the world to keep them sedentary, complacent, and just smart enough to be functional workers, but too stupid to see the world for what it is.

I absolutely fucking despise the people who say that "Life's never been better cuz I gotta iphone", or "things have never been this good because of cheap mass-produced plastic goods from China". Absolutely FUCKING NOTHING we are currently doing in society is sustainable. The economy isn't sustainable, the current social movements are never-ending moral crusades, our wars are never-ending economic crusades, we're gonna run out of fossil fuels eventually, and have absolutely no way of getting more, or finding a replacement, tech is slowly consuming the human race, third-worlders are making too many kids, when first-worlders aren't making enough, and all of this is so disgusting to me that I can't look people in the eyes anymore without my first impulse being to hate them. I understand that's the wrong way to be, but that's the way it is.

We aren't going anywhere when we die. We already live in Hell.
 
ArnoldPalmer said:
The moment I see solid evidence against being pessimistic towards the future, I'll change my mind. Until then, it's nothing but doom and gloom.

As I said in the 2020 predictions thread, Technology is only going to get better, but in the most terrible ways that directly mock concepts such as human rights and free agency. The second that an AI comes online with the rough brainpower of a human being, it's over. It's ALL over. ALL media, propaganda, and cardinal "truths" will be tailor-made to the individual and sold to them directly. People are painfully easy to manipulate, and with all of the bulk data that has been collected on every single human being living today, it's going to be the easiest thing in the world to keep them sedentary, complacent, and just smart enough to be functional workers, but too stupid to see the world for what it is.

I absolutely fucking despise the people who say that "Life's never been better cuz I gotta iphone", or "things have never been this good because of cheap mass-produced plastic goods from China". Absolutely FUCKING NOTHING we are currently doing in society is sustainable. The economy isn't sustainable, the current social movements are never-ending moral crusades, our wars are never-ending economic crusades, we're gonna run out of fossil fuels eventually, and have absolutely no way of getting more, or finding a replacement, tech is slowly consuming the human race, third-worlders are making too many kids, when first-worlders aren't making enough, and all of this is so disgusting to me that I can't look people in the eyes anymore without my first impulse being to hate them. I understand that's the wrong way to be, but that's the way it is.

We aren't going anywhere when we die. We already live in Hell.
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1. Consider therapy. Seriously, hating the entire human race on sight isn't mentally healthy for you, and will likely end poorly for yourself, others, and any loved ones you may have.
2. I'll ask the question I always ask people like you: if you think the future is an endless Hellscape full of suffering, and you despise not only your life, but all possible lives you can realistically achieve here and now; why live? You choose this world for yourself whenever you choose to continue living.
This isn't me saying "kys" like some edgelord, I'm actually interested in hearing your response.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
1. Consider therapy. Seriously, hating the entire human race on sight isn't mentally healthy for you, and will likely end poorly for yourself, others, and any loved ones you may have.
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Nah, therapy is pointless when you can list the reasons why you're upset. It's not going to make the downfall of western society any more fun, or make it go away. This is just something everyone has to deal with now. It's also pointless to try and not think about it for longer than a weekend, because it's something we all have to come back to. No cope is necessary when you can't do anything to improve the world.

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2. I'll ask the question I always ask people like you: if you think the future is an endless Hellscape full of suffering, and you despise not only your life, but all possible lives you can realistically achieve here and now; why live? You choose this world for yourself whenever you choose to continue living.
This isn't me saying "kys" like some edgelord, I'm actually interested in hearing your response.
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I guess hate's a strong word. I don't truly hate everyone, it's more disdain for normies than hatred. Not unlike the disdain felt when working retail. As for killing myself, I don't see the utility. We all did something to deserve this. Whether that be in the past, something our ancestors did, or something we haven't even done yet, this is a form of natural punishment, and I doubt killing myself is a reasonable escape route. Sins of the Father may be unfair, but I'll be god damned if the natural order of things keeps it from being real to some degree.
 
ArnoldPalmer said:
We all did something to deserve this.
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I hope you’re wrong about that. Although it does take some pretty exceptional luck to be born on Earth now. There’s about 100 billion galaxies (at least in the observable universe), there’s about 100 billion solar systems in each galaxy (on average), and there’s at least trillions of years of life-supporting conditions left in the universe. Yet each of us are here -- and just in time for Current Year.

A big reason why this world sucks so bad is because assholes get positions of power and ruin it for others. That’s been going on ever since agriculture was invented and people settled into societies.
 
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ArnoldPalmer said:
Nah, therapy is pointless when you can list the reasons why you're upset. It's not going to make the downfall of western society any more fun, or make it go away. This is just something everyone has to deal with now. It's also pointless to try and not think about it for longer than a weekend, because it's something we all have to come back to. No cope is necessary when you can't do anything to improve the world.


I guess hate's a strong word. I don't truly hate everyone, it's more disdain for normies than hatred. Not unlike the disdain felt when working retail. As for killing myself, I don't see the utility. We all did something to deserve this. Whether that be in the past, something our ancestors did, or something we haven't even done yet, this is a form of natural punishment, and I doubt killing myself is a reasonable escape route. Sins of the Father may be unfair, but I'll be god damned if the natural order of things keeps it from being real to some degree.
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Personally, I believe it's better to acknowledge what's coming but not be too worried. One keeps your mind on edge the other just creates fatigue and stress.

Nah, it's not natural order, what happened was our forefathers showed mercy, and today's group of people (their descendents: and normies) want to be tolerant to intolerance, until it boils over nothing will change and the issues in society won't be resolved, but that won't be a good day for any one group.

Irresponsibility is the cause of it, and a failure to accept reality no matter what conclusions of reality those are is what's leading to this shitshow.
 
Who could've guessed that replacing god, community and a culture of self-reliance with consumerism, globalism and a culture of planned obsolescence creates a populace of brokebrain nihilist faggots?

The positive side of the situation is that the logic behind this latest globohomo push is crumbling.

The negative side is that this societal rot always mutates and reappears in a new form somewhere down the line.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
1. Consider therapy. Seriously, hating the entire human race on sight isn't mentally healthy for you, and will likely end poorly for yourself, others, and any loved ones you may have.
2. I'll ask the question I always ask people like you: if you think the future is an endless Hellscape full of suffering, and you despise not only your life, but all possible lives you can realistically achieve here and now; why live? You choose this world for yourself whenever you choose to continue living.
This isn't me saying "kys" like some edgelord, I'm actually interested in hearing your response.
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Because people have more responsibilities than just themselves such as their families; And honestly many people's bodies have a drive on their own, even if they logicially conclude suicide would be the optimal outcome at this point.

The Great Chandler said:
One question, how many good people really are there?
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Probably more than you would expect tbh
 
The Great Chandler said:
One question, how many good people really are there?
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I'd say that on balance, more people lean towards being good (or neutral) than evil. Society does keep ticking along, after all. The problem is that one rotten apple spoils the bunch; one violent psychopath is going to cause untold damage to many people.

It's easy to fall into feeling as if most people are shit but that's one of those comforting lies we tell ourselves to justify our own shortcomings.
 
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