Society's General Depressive Worldview

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A lot of it is shit in the West. The East couldn't give a shit about what we do, since they know idpol is bullshit.

That's all the depressive ideology is, it's people being tired of the identity politics the mainstream is trying to feed us. They want to do something and not say that they're more special because they're gay/trans/Jewish/Muslim/disabled whatever, labels really don't matter.
 
The mid-century hype that came after WW2 finally fizzled out completely. The economic prosperity that caused it is long gone. People used to think that increased technology would lead to a marked improvement in everybody's life, but it only got us obnoxious gimmicks.
 
in the age of nuclear weapons, severe economic inequality, hostile political tensions, climate change, and social isolation, it's hard for a lot of people to stay optimistic when they feel their their basic physical and emotional needs are a hairs width away from being taken away and leaving them stranded. i understand why everyone is so upset all the time but it's still socially detrimental and creates a positive feedback loop of anxiety and despair.
 
I personally think a lot of the actual depression we see comes from the unrealistic things we were promised growing up. As a kid I was bright cheery and optimistic. I was promised by my parents and other adults if I went to college and was a generally good person I'd have no trouble finding a great job, a wife who loves me, and loads of friends, and life would be great. Turns out all that is a lie. in fact most of what I was told growing up was a lie. I wasn't prepared for the harsh realities of life and being an adult. The older I get the more depressed and nihilistic I become. Now I don't know for sure but based on my experiences and the experiences of my friends this seems like a common problem.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
Eventually, the people get poor enough that they decide to make the rich give them what they want.
The funny thing is that for a "redpill" position, the situation you describe is essentially the end of a Marxian historical cycle.
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And its ultimately A-Historical. If we look at broad metrics from the beginning of recorded history things keep getting better.

But if we look at the dawn of the Hellenic golden age we keep feeling decline and everything getting worse
 
Manwithn0n0men said:
And its ultimately A-Historical. If we look at broad metrics from the beginning of recorded history things keep getting better.

But if we look at the dawn of the Hellenic golden age we keep feeling decline and everything getting worse
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Rome fell cause Germanic barbarians bred like rabbits and Rome was soft and content...whats gonna fell America? We dont have enemies skirmishing on our borders
 
ToroidalBoat said:
9/11 seemed to be a definitive turning point, after which everything seemed to decay into "Current Year."

I think Americans were more optimistic before 9/11.
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I think it was one of several major turning points. A "beginning of the end" event, with the Great Recession and the rapid rise and fall of Occupy Wall Street being the other major steps that led to Current Year.

Classist. said:
I would say that the biggest turning point was the fall of the USSR. 9/11 was just the kick in the ass that really nailed in the idea that the world was a very different place after the cold war.
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Possibly, but I think the Soviet Union's demise was more of a false hope than the actual turning point.

The 1990's seemed to be a real "Calm Before The Storm" era in America where people genuinely thought things were going to be smooth sailing from here on out.

Columbine and the resulting media circus was probably the earliest "warning sign" that things weren't as easily solved as it appeared and I'd factor the paranoia and wild fears over Y2K around the same time to be another warning sign, but by January 2000, it turned out that Y2K was a false alarm and Columbine was fading from memory.

Then 9/11 happened and gave us all a nasty wake-up call. I'd say 9/11 and the subsequent War On Terror and Patriot Act were the first major turning points that began the transition to the culture of "Current Year" and the Great Recession of the late 2000's alongside the Occupy protests in 2011-2012 were the turning points that completed that transition.

Black Lives Matter and GamerGate were simply the dinging noises that told us that the woke malaise Current Year was ready and waiting for us on the table.

"Current Year" is basically the aftermath of Bush's blunders (and Obama's continuation of them under a new veneer) and I think the woke malaise of Current Year will be dead by the mid-2020's, replaced by a new cultural zeitgeist.

I have no idea what the next cultural zeitgeist will be in the 2020's and 2030's, but nothing lasts forever.

I have a few thoughts on what the next dominant cultural zeitgeist will be, but I don't want to make any real educated guesses until the 2020 Election is over and done with.
 
Whelp_Bai said:
Rome fell cause Germanic barbarians bred like rabbits and Rome was soft and content...whats gonna fell America? We dont have enemies skirmishing on our borders
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This is an immensely simplistic analysis that, I would say, compresses the vast amount of corruption in Rome at the time down to a single point (soft) that isn't even right: Rome's problems started in earnest when they became overstretched in their budget and could no longer afford to pay the vast number of militias and armies they had installed across the empire.
 
Syaoran Li said:
I have no idea what the next cultural zeitgeist will be in the 2020's and 2030's, but nothing lasts forever.
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Do you think this over-saturation and societal obsession with technology ("smartphone zombies," Internet Of Things fixation, social media addiction, etc) will be toned down in the future?*

*(assuming a cataclysm doesn't do that for us)
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Do you think this over-saturation and societal obsession with technology ("smartphone zombies," Internet Of Things fixation, social media addiction, etc) will be toned down in the future*?

*(assuming a cataclysm doesn't do that for us)
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Possibly. Especially if an anti-woke backlash starts throwing shade at social media (Twitter in particular) for propagating the current SJW zeitgeist, similar to how talk shows and televangelists ended up getting a lot of flack from the liberals in the late 90's and early 2000's for their role in the Satanic Panic.

Social media will likely stay around but probably in a different form and with a different culture surrounding it. Any change in the culture of social media would come from a change in management, whether it be through new people in charge of the current companies, buyouts and mergers, or one of the current big shots making a grave mistake and ending up bankrupt.

Honestly, I think the "Me Too" movement and the furor over incels and the ill-defined "Alt-Right" will probably be looked back in a similar way as we currently look at the Satanic Panic of the 80's and 90's.

The streaming bubble will probably burst by the end of the 2020's, with Netflix likely becoming for streaming media what MySpace was for social media (the original pioneer that got really popular really fast but ultimately is destroyed by the competition) but I also would not rule out some sort of return of physical media such as CD's, DVD's, game discs, and Blu-Rays in the latter half of the 2020's or the early 2030's. It'll probably return in a similar manner as the revival of vinyl records in this decade.

If fucking vinyl records of all things can make a comeback despite their flaws, then physical media might not go extinct yet. The only physical media of the past that I can't see making a comeback is VHS since it brings nothing to the table aside from nostalgia and there's also the demise of CRT TV's to consider.
 
Syaoran Li said:
Possibly. Especially if an anti-woke backlash starts throwing shade at social media (Twitter in particular) for propagating the current SJW zeitgeist, similar to how talk shows and televangelists ended up getting a lot of flack from the liberals in the late 90's and early 2000's for their role in the Satanic Panic.

Social media will likely stay around but probably in a different form and with a different culture surrounding it. Any change in the culture of social media would come from a change in management, whether it be through new people in charge of the current companies, buyouts and mergers, or one of the current big shots making a grave mistake and ending up bankrupt.

Honestly, I think the "Me Too" movement and the furor over incels and the ill-defined "Alt-Right" will probably be looked back in a similar way as we currently look at the Satanic Panic of the 80's and 90's.

The streaming bubble will probably burst by the end of the 2020's, with Netflix likely becoming for streaming media what MySpace was for social media (the original pioneer that got really popular really fast but ultimately is destroyed by the competition) but I also would not rule out some sort of return of physical media such as CD's, DVD's, game discs, and Blu-Rays in the latter half of the 2020's or the early 2030's. It'll probably return in a similar manner as the revival of vinyl records in this decade.

If fucking vinyl records of all things can make a comeback despite their flaws, then physical media might not go extinct yet. The only physical media of the past that I can't see making a comeback is VHS since it brings nothing to the table aside from nostalgia and there's also the demise of CRT TV's to consider.
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First off, you don't seem to understand at all the nature of vinyl records as compared to other, newer forms of physical media. CD's, DVD's etc. are definitely not "coming back", simply because they don't offer anything that streaming and dowloading services in the internet could not do. Vinyls on the other hand do: they are extremely durable compared to newer disc-types(very few cd's can survive for multiple decades, even if kept really well), and their sound quality is better than in digital media, at least according to music collecting autists, who are the main niche group that buys vinyls. Huge stacks of vinyls are also impressive looking and can be used as stylish decoration element, unlike smaller discs. Vinyls are items you buy to not only get the music, but also the lifestyle that comes with it.

And why would streaming services die? If something they will likely become just bigger, and eventually will come to dominate the entire mainstream media field, as there is really nothing to stop them doing so. Only thing that could really "burst the bubble" is that pirate streaming sites would become so huge that it wouldn't be profitable to run companies like Netflix anymore, but yeah, I'm not seeing that happening.
 
Bum Driller said:
First off, you don't seem to understand at all the nature of vinyl records as compared to other, newer forms of physical media. CD's, DVD's etc. are definitely not "coming back", simply because they don't offer anything that streaming and dowloading services in the internet could not do. Vinyls on the other hand do: they are extremely durable compared to newer disc-types(very few cd's can survive for multiple decades, even if kept really well), and their sound quality is better than in digital media, at least according to music collecting autists, who are the main niche group that buys vinyls. Huge stacks of vinyls are also impressive looking and can be used as stylish decoration element, unlike smaller discs. Vinyls are items you buy to not only get the music, but also the lifestyle that comes with it.

And why would streaming services die? If something they will likely become just bigger, and eventually will come to dominate the entire mainstream media field, as there is really nothing to stop them doing so. Only thing that could really "burst the bubble" is that pirate streaming sites would become so huge that it wouldn't be profitable to run companies like Netflix anymore, but yeah, I'm not seeing that happening.
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1. You may be right about CD's, but I wouldn't say that all physical media will go completely extinct. DVD's can make a major comeback (to be honest, DVD never really went away) simply for one major reason, and that reason is the issue of copyright and licensing. The main issue with streaming is the issue of licensing and copyrights being complex and rather byzantine in the 21st Century, especially when it comes to streaming. Part of what is starting to hurt Netflix is the issue of losing their licenses for a lot of titles that were once major draws on their platform, forcing them to rely more on exclusive content.

DVD's and Blu-Ray have not fully gone away due to the fact that not everyone is comfortable enough with the idea of having to pirate their digital media even if they know where to look. Streaming is very beholden to the license holders in a way that DVD is not.

A lot of beloved titles are not available on streaming platforms but are available on DVD. Even if the DVD's are currently out of print, thanks to the rise of online shopping means it's a lot easier to find secondhand copies from places like eBay and Amazon.

2. I never said that streaming would die out completely. I did say that some of the streaming companies will go under and get bought out. Streaming is here to stay, but I think we're going to see a lot of consolidation within the various platforms.

Unless we see major changes to copyright laws, I doubt streaming media will ever completely kill off DVD and Blu-Ray
 
I think increased urbanization is adding a layer of abstraction between society and nature. I think increased use of social media is adding a layer of abstraction between human interaction. I think a lot of people find themselves trapped in this abstract hell that's totally disconnected from reality as a result and I think that's why it seems like everyone is suddenly depressed and anxious.
 
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