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After personally looking into the details myself, I've found a few odd intricacies. The first is that there is a collection of videos made by an apparent group of her friends berating specific users "Super Daisey boi Fan" and "4Vaati" for mocking her. As an aside, these two users seem to also be proponents for select characters being put into Smash, with Daisy and Vaati being their respective choices. This whole thing may have started as the three (along with "SomeAshleyFan," the supposed suicide victim) having a petty argument about the game's roster. There's also mentions of a person named "Daisyisepic" messaging her, who may also just by "Super Daisey boi Fan" again.

I've also found a few videos, where the creators of them knew personal details which, put bluntly, is rather hard to believe they would know about when they're admittedly not very close to her, like how the girl was 16, was "abused" by her father (which I believe may be an exaggeration), and planned to move out at 18. The fact that they knew this info, and that the videos make an exceeded effort to guilt the two aforementioned users with her suicide, suggests that this may all be just a ploy to berate these two users and accuse them of being at fault for a suicide to "win" an argument that Ashley should be in Smash. Which, needless to say, is a more believable cause for this whole debacle. It also is unfathomably moronic, including the backlash for it. I personally believe these accounts which uploaded the videos are either the girl herself, or her friends who are in on the ploy.

To summarize, looking at what I've found so far, I personally believe this suicide is fake. Rather, the apparent suicide was used as a means of having a "final say" in a petty argument over Smash's character roster between "SomeAshleyFan," "Super Daisey boi Fan," and "4Vaati," whose usenames highly suggest an enthusiastic devotion to the characters who share their namesakes.

Regardless, the absolute lunacy surrounding this is cataclysmic.

This is apparently the source of people saying this person committing suicide. My personal thanks to literally nobody in the Smash community for fact checking and providing evidence for anything and making it so I had to double and triple check the same sources while sifting through absolute hysteria.

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Perhaps I'm being cynical, but most people who commit suicide don't include with their suicide note a line basically stating "maybe this will teach you a lesson" like they're doing it for petty revenge. That's more of an "angry elementary school student" kind of thing, threatening to kill yourself to show the big bullies (or "Super Daisey boi Fan" and "4Vaati" in this case) how bad they are. In addition, most people don't make a Twitter account within a week of them deciding to use it to announce said suicide.

Furthermore, there's some other sketchy (or, more precisely, obvious) flaws in the announcement of their suicide, such as her (until recently unmentioned) brother saying she died because "she hasn't been waking up lately," and the person who announced her suicide sharing similar typing patterns (as seen when comparing her Twitter bio to her suicide note, where an ellipses composed of exactly five periods is used). She apparently was also prone to lying and faking harassment to prove her points before.

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Anyway, I'll reupload some videos people made reacting to the said hysteria and edit it onto this post later.

Edit: While continuing to look into this, here's another Reddit thread of mouthbreathers throwing their two cents in on how Smash is literally killing people or something like that. However, there are a few people pointing out the dubiousness of the situation. Or just mocking people in general.

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Here are the videos.

This video, by "OfficerMidnight Chopper," has a decent amount of views and is particularly stupid in terms of comments. I also had to audio boost it, since it was insanely quiet. Worth noting is he's quicker to point out he got a new plush toy than to say his friend supposedly committed suicide. Also, he's clearly is fake-crying, as the viewer can audibly hear him sniffing dry air in attempts to sound like he's sobbing. The delivery of his speech also isn't particularly convincing, leading me to believe it's entirely faked. Whether this is done to feign genuine sadness due to his emotional inability or to maliciously fake it in order to sell the scenario through an act is yet to be known.



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Of course, there is exactly one troll post in this comments section, with stunning results:

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This next video, by "LollipopDraws- Nat," is just text. But there are multiple comments telling them that this is most likely fake (or at least sketchy), and their response is them backpeddling while trying not to acknowledge its questionable legitimacy. This also specifically calls out the two users I mentioned before, and also relays questionably personal details.



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This final video, by "Abdual Khan Mohammed," appears to be just documenting the overall idiocy in the comments before ending with footage of Ashley (the character) getting hit with a chair by professional wrestlers CM Punk and Stone Cold Steve Austin, so big props to him. Give this man a thumbs-up or star or whatever it is Youtube uses now to show your appreciation. It's worth watching just for the ending, but it also has a lot of people overreacting to this mess.



All in all, I cannot find any reason to believe this is real, yet many to the contrary. Regardless, as shown in that Reddit thread, there are a countless number of people who hold on to the idea that this has any basis in reality, either to appear sanctimonious, complain about the Smash community, or just due to general stupidity. Or any combination of the three.

Update: According to SomeAshleyFan, her accounts got stolen by a friend who she gave the info to.

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However, I don't buy it. Especially since, despite her accounts being stolen, the fake suicide note and edited Twitter profile still uses the exact writing style she uses all over. I'm absolutely certain she's just saying this to save face, especially because in the quote she gave, she was more than willing to hand over her account details without even asking why.

Therefore, I still maintain that she faked her suicide to win a petty argument, and has now tried to pass it as "my account was hacked" after realizing the controversy she stirred. The only thing I'm questioning now is whether or not the friend's request for her account info is faked or he was in on ploy to cover for her, since there's no timestamps on the Discord messages.

And of course, there's probably still going to be people giving the stock and tired "Smash community is toxic" spiel, just now flipping the tables from mean bullyjerks to attention-seeking liars.
 
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After personally looking into the details myself, I've found a few odd intricacies. The first is that there is a collection of videos made by an apparent group of her friends berating specific users "Super Daisey boi Fan" and "4Vaati" for mocking her. As an aside, these two users seem to also be proponents for select characters being put into Smash, with Daisy and Vaati being their respective choices. This whole thing may have started as the three (along with "SomeAshleyFan," the supposed suicide victim) having a petty argument about the game's roster. There's also mentions of a person named "Daisyisepic" messaging her, who may also just by "Super Daisey boi Fan" again.

I've also found a few videos, where the creators of them knew personal details which, put bluntly, is rather hard to believe they would know about when they're admittedly not very close to her, like how the girl was 16, was "abused" by her father (which I believe may be an exaggeration), and planned to move out at 18. The fact that they knew this info, and that the videos make an exceeded effort to guilt the two aforementioned users with her suicide, suggests that this may all be just a ploy to berate these two users and accuse them of being at fault for a suicide to "win" an argument that Ashley should be in Smash. Which, needless to say, is a more believable cause for this whole debacle. It also is unfathomably moronic, including the backlash for it. I personally believe these accounts which uploaded the videos are either the girl herself, or her friends who are in on the ploy.

To summarize, looking at what I've found so far, I personally believe this suicide is fake. Rather, the apparent suicide was used as a means of having a "final say" in a petty argument over Smash's character roster between "SomeAshleyFan," "Super Daisey boi Fan," and "4Vaati," whose usenames highly suggest an enthusiastic devotion to the characters who share their namesakes.

Regardless, the absolute lunacy surrounding this is cataclysmic.

This is apparently the source of people saying this person committing suicide. My personal thanks to literally nobody in the Smash community for fact checking and providing evidence for anything and making it so I had to double and triple check the same sources while sifting through absolute hysteria.

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Perhaps I'm being cynical, but most people who commit suicide don't include with their suicide note a line basically stating "maybe this will teach you a lesson" like they're doing it for petty revenge. That's more of an "angry elementary school student" kind of thing, threatening to kill yourself to show the big bullies (or "Super Daisey boi Fan" and "4Vaati" in this case) how bad they are. In addition, most people don't make a Twitter account within a week of them deciding to use it to announce said suicide.

Furthermore, there's some other sketchy (or, more precisely, obvious) flaws in the announcement of their suicide, such as her (until recently unmentioned) brother saying she died because "she hasn't been waking up lately," and the person who announced her suicide sharing similar typing patterns (as seen when comparing her Twitter bio to her suicide note, where an ellipses composed of exactly five periods is used). She apparently was also prone to lying and faking harassment to prove her points before.

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Anyway, I'll reupload some videos people made reacting to the said hysteria and edit it onto this post later.

Edit: While continuing to look into this, here's another Reddit thread of mouthbreathers throwing their two cents in on how Smash is literally killing people or something like that. However, there are a few people pointing out the dubiousness of the situation. Or just mocking people in general.

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Here are the videos.

This video, by "OfficerMidnight Chopper," has a decent amount of views and is particularly stupid in terms of comments. I also had to audio boost it, since it was insanely quiet. Worth noting is he's quicker to point out he got a new plush toy than to say his friend supposedly committed suicide. Also, he's clearly is fake-crying, as the viewer can audibly hear him sniffing dry air in attempts to sound like he's sobbing. The delivery of his speech also isn't particularly convincing, leading me to believe it's entirely faked. Whether this is done to feign genuine sadness due to his emotional inability or to maliciously fake it in order to sell the scenario through an act is yet to be known.

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Of course, there is exactly one troll post in this comments section, with stunning results:

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This next video, by "LollipopDraws- Nat," is just text. But there are multiple comments telling them that this is most likely fake (or at least sketchy), and their response is them backpeddling while trying not to acknowledge its questionable legitimacy. This also specifically calls out the two users I mentioned before, and also relays questionably personal details.

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This final video, by "Abdual Khan Mohammed," appears to be just documenting the overall idiocy in the comments before ending with footage of Ashley (the character) getting hit with a chair by professional wrestlers CM Punk and Stone Cold Steve Austin, so big props to him. Give this man a thumbs-up or star or whatever it is Youtube uses now to show your appreciation. It's worth watching just for the ending, but it also has a lot of people overreacting to this mess.

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All in all, I cannot find any reason to believe this is real, yet many to the contrary. Regardless, as shown in that Reddit thread, there are a countless number of people who hold on to the idea that this has any basis in reality, either to appear sanctimonious, complain about the Smash community, or just due to general stupidity. Or any combination of the three.

Update: According to SomeAshleyFan, her accounts got stolen by a friend who she gave the info to.

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However, I don't buy it. Especially since, despite her accounts being stolen, the fake suicide note and edited Twitter profile still uses the exact writing style she uses all over. I'm absolutely certain she's just saying this to save face, especially because in the quote she gave, she was more than willing to hand over her account details without even asking why.

Therefore, I still maintain that she faked her suicide to win a petty argument, and has now tried to pass it as "my account was hacked" after realizing the controversy she stirred. The only thing I'm questioning now is whether or not the friend's request for her account info is faked or he was in on ploy to cover for her, since there's no timestamps on the Discord messages.

And of course, there's probably still going to be people giving the stock and tired "Smash community is toxic" spiel, just now flipping the tables from mean bullyjerks to attention-seeking liars.


I heard she staged her suicide and asked her "Friend" to post it. It's damning.
 
Found this jewel today:


Archive: http://archive.today/cLukL

“Also, the stream setup is straight TRASH. I had to refuse to play before they would give me a headset, and it lagged like crazy.” -Leffen.

:story: there were also non-playing reasons to reeee, like the food making the stomach of one of these prima donnas go "haywire". Always complaining lol
 
Found this jewel today:


Archive: http://archive.today/cLukL



:story: there were also non-playing reasons to reeee, like the food making the stomach of one of these prima donnas go "haywire". Always complaining lol

Meh, I wouldn't say being unable to hear the game and having a delay or stutter on the screen is a nitpicky complaint. It isn't Armada dropping out of a tourney because his controller doesn't have a 1% manufacturer's defect that lets him do a specific, situational engine bug that makes about 4 frames worth of a difference. The disgruntled outcries at Shine are something even casual players would complain about. I obviously can't say if the food is giving people food poisoning, it's bad if it is, but I personally would also dislike if a venue didn't allow you to bring your own food. Maybe it's to avoid another crab-throwing incident, like Mew2King getting hit by a mackerel.

I will say that Leffen, even when justified, is really whiny whenever he complains. Mainly because he never does it in a single tweet, it's always going to be a massive tangent which continues even after he gets his way.

As a side note, I do like this article in the related section of this page.

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This title isn't Leffen's fault, the guy running the website is a moron. His tips are mainly for Smash in general, but it's obviously just Leffen talking about Melee since he doesn't even touch Ultimate anymore. Even when he did, he didn't place significantly.

What is Leffen's fault (and the writer of the article for aggrandizing it) is the advice is just obvious. "Don't rely on wifi, go to tourneys" is literally each and everyone one of his tips, just different permutations of it. Anyone with two neurons firing off once in a while could figure that out, but I guess it takes a top Melee player to explain that a half second delay online isn't good for your gameplay.

Speaking of tournaments, Smash's SoCal tournament released its official map list.

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If this seems like a piddly list of six stages in a game with nearly a hundred stages, make no mistake: it's actually less. Smashville and Town & City are nearly identical (to the point that even I mix them up), same goes for Pokemon Stadium 2 and Kalos in terms of functionality.

Don't get me wrong, in terms of legal stages, a huge amount of stages are still banned. But there's still around 20 stages which are competitive-friendly, so this tiny little list is insultingly small and underwhelming even by tourney tryhard standards.
 
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I guess somebody killed themselves over Smash? Maybe?

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I had to do a double take to figure out what in the world is even happening here.

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I have zero idea what was even going on at this point other than somebody who wanted Ashley in Smash killed themselves, apparently? They went by the name, "SomeAshleyFan" and "QueenAshleyChan."

Here's a Reddit post (female).

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It's incredibly stupid to think she was bullied to death because she wanted Ashley in Smash. She obviously had underlying mental issues if people saying "the assist trophies should fear the fighters" drove her to kill herself. It's also presumptuous to assume she didn't just overdose on accident. Actually, if she turns out to have done this by accident, then this whole thing looks particularly idiotic.

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Why does every Ashley fan sound like this guy? Ashley's an obscure side character from a small franchise starring Wario about minigames. The potted plant enemies from Mario are more identifiable characters. One also got in first, anyway.

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Edit: These annoying commentary videos are so holier-than-thou and patronizing it's almost unbearably obnoxious. I just want to piece together what happened without hearing somebody try to talk down to people who aren't even responsible. Maybe four people (and all of them probably trolls) even knew this girl existed, and people act like the whole playerbase is as fault. Good luck sitting through this audio torture courtesy of Mr. "Takoda Corlisst":
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...Oh, christ, what's wrong with the guy in this commentary? Why is he talking about Star Wars and blaming Smash as a whole because it should've stopped at Melee? You know what, I don't want to end on this note.
Let's just look at the girl in question instead. Apparently, this is an old forum account she had. (archive)

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The links are all dead. All seven of their messages are also mundane and meaningless, although one of them is an Ashley quote, of course. I've got a no-go on her Twitter, looks like it's wiped completely.

As far as I'm aware, there's no 100% confirmation she's even dead. Nor does there seem to be any evidence that she tried to kill herself to begin with other than word of mouth.

Double Edit: Followup here.
Dab on Ashleyfags.
 
The SNK logo was seen on the nintendo webpage for the next dlc character.

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Smashers dont know that snk is a 40 year old game company with multiple franchises


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>Banjo
>Relevant

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tl;dr:

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The SNK logo was seen on the nintendo webpage for the next dlc character.

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Smashers dont know that snk is a 40 year old game company with multiple franchises



tl;dr:

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They want to be recognized as a fighting game community yet they think that SNK, the company that has made SEVERAL arcade cabinets that has existed everywhere from arcades to malls to even fucking pizza places, ain't relevant and doesn't deserve to have a character on the SSBU roster. They want to be taken seriously by the FG community yet they don't even know who SNK is? :story:

And that Robert guy is speaking true facts.
 
OFC they use the "irrelevant" label for SNK without a hint of irony, despite that very same label also applying to Ness, Lucas, Captain Falcon, Sheik, Ice Climbers, King K. Rool, Banjo-Kazooie, Duck Hunt, Simon, Richter, ROB...
Must I go on?

PS: I hope the SNK character is Geese Howard, in all his Engrish glory.
 
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The SNK logo was seen on the nintendo webpage for the next dlc character.

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Smashers dont know that snk is a 40 year old game company with multiple franchises



tl;dr:

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Well, here's an iconic franchise, but because I don't know about it, it must not be relevant.

Also, I have zero functioning theory of mind.
 
This is your brain on soy

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Does he not know that it's been confirmed that Nintendo is the one making the decisions for who the DLC characters will be for Smash Bros., and not Sakurai? I mean, I'm 99% positive that that's practically the only reason Corrin was ever added in the last game.
Guess you gotta keep Sakurai as a scapegoat anyway you can.
 
Does he not know that it's been confirmed that Nintendo is the one making the decisions for who the DLC characters will be for Smash Bros., and not Sakurai? I mean, I'm 99% positive that that's practically the only reason Corrin was ever added in the last game.
Guess you gotta keep Sakurai as a scapegoat anyway you can.
You dont even have to know that, just look at the current dlc rooster
>joker from the famous persona 5 series (what is a megoomi tynsai anyways amiright)
>trunks from dragon quest 11 (and those other guys)
>banjo kazooie
I still dont know how smash autist cant understand the concept of:
The smash 5 dlc rooster will be full of shill picks, but i will try to atleast make them fun to play as -sakurai
 
You dont even have to know that, just look at the current dlc rooster
>joker from the famous persona 5 series (what is a megoomi tynsai anyways amiright)
>trunks from dragon quest 11 (and those other guys)
>banjo kazooie
I still dont know how smash autist cant understand the concept of:
The smash 5 dlc rooster will be full of shill picks, but i will try to atleast make them fun to play as -sakurai
Banjo and Hero at least make sense. Joker is a real shit pick.
 
Banjo and Hero at least make sense. Joker is a real shit pick.
I don't know, I still think Joker is a better pick than what rosterfags want (Purple Luigi, edgy pinnochio from Mayreo RPG, emo pedoshit, Isaac from generic GBA RPG, and memecraft Steve, for example).
 
I am thankful for Sakurai to announcing that more DLC characters will be made after the Fighter Pass

That means more salt will be enjoyed.

Can't wait for the salt about Sans being a Mii Fighter costume
 
Sans being a Mii costume might result in MatPat making a Game Theory episode.
"Game Theory: is Smash a metaphor for AIDS?! And also why I gave the Pope Smash Bros. Ultimate."
 
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