Google Stadia General Discussion - Like any other gaming platform, but worse.

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The only good thing about it is if ISP's are actually being motivated to move their asses and upgrade their shit.
That ain't gonna happen. ISP's general response to streaming services so far as either been a bored yawn with a continued "fuck you, customers, enjoy your caps/throttles" or straight up "hey! You're providing a service our customers actually use, so we want you to pay for the bandwidth!" extortion (e.g. Netflix).
 
That ain't gonna happen. ISP's general response to streaming services so far as either been a bored yawn with a continued "fuck you, customers, enjoy your caps/throttles" or straight up "hey! You're providing a service our customers actually use, so we want you to pay for the bandwidth!" extortion (e.g. Netflix).
Fair point, but hey, you never know. Either way, not touching the Stadia though
 
Just wanted to update this thread, some new some old:

No Beta Test.

High Speed basically required, so that's a cost added. Also there's compression. Fucking lolz.

Games are 100% Full Price, Executive is clueless as to why they wouldn't be (Because you don't actually own them fuckface)

Google Dodged the Question 'If Stadia Gets Shut Down, what happens to the games purchased?' (They're gone nigger, the cloud goes bye-bye)

65 Hours of 4K Game Play Eats 1 TB of Data. 113 Hours of 1080p eats 1TB of Data (Dumbass thinks ISP will 'take care of' data-caps and care about consumers. Legitimately fucking re.tarded. Like brain damaged tier here). Have fun playing that on 4G or WiFi, fucking lol. Also get ready to murder your internet for anything else.

You 'might' get 1 free game 'give or take' a month. Roughly. Possibly. Note: This is worse and more expensive than PS4 Plus and XBox Gold, where you get multiple games free and have better pluses to them.

Who in the ever living fuck is this for? You can already Stream with Steam (lol). This saves you literally no money on hardware upgrades. This is fucking terrible. Holy shit. Mobile users aren't going to be interested in anything with a controller. Hardcores don't want to be bothered with figuring out data and internet and shit, nor deal with inevitable video compression.

Fucking amazing.
 
The concept of being able to jump from your living room TV to your phone mid-game sounds like a great idea to anyone that never actually plays video games.

Anyone who's tried to play a game with a controller on their phones can attest to it being an awful experience. Those designs with a normal controller that has a clip in the middle to hold up your phone never feel right, due to the phone being heavier than the controller and making the whole thing lopsided.

Games are 100% Full Price, Executive is clueless as to why they wouldn't be (Because you don't actually own them fuckface)

Google Dodged the Question 'If Stadia Gets Shut Down, what happens to the games purchased?' (They're gone nigger, the cloud goes bye-bye)
I had a few games on Onlive. The earliest Humble Bundles gave out a few OnLive keys, and they had a deal once where you could get any game on the service for $1. Deus Ex: Human Revolution had just been released, so I picked that up, and found the input lag on it too uncomfortable to play, I couldn't even aim my gun accurately.

Guess what I got when they shut down the servers? Nothing at all. They were selling games for full price, too, so I'm glad I never dropped sixty bucks on anything. Google's track record with firing up services and just kind of letting them dwindle for years before finally bringing down the hammer hasn't helped their reputation, either.

Even the lead-up to the Microsoft Xbox wasn't this bad. The console got a lot of flak for being from Microsoft, but it brought some objectively nice stuff to the table. Everyone gets a built-in, large-at-the-time hard drive, killing the need for a memory card, and bringing forth CD ripping for custom soundtracks. Awesome. It also came out at a time when Nintendo was in dire straits, about to release the mediocre Gamecube while the PS2 was already cleaning house, giving it some much-needed competition.

Stadia just doesn't need to exist. Nobody's clamoring for it. It's something to show their equally clueless shareholders. And not to mention, Google's hubris on this project is stunning. They really just don't understand the gaming market, how its pricing works, or what makes for a comfortable experience. But what do you expect from a cult-like company where it's all but mandatory that everyone have some kind of special snowflake gender, and would fire James Damore for pointing out their hypocracy in the most gentle way possible?

Hell, I can't even try it out, and I'm well equipped to. I've got a Chromecast, a modern smartphone, plenty of controllers, and an enormous library of games. But none of my games will cross-activate, and there's no way I'm paying for anything on Stadia blindly. How many people are gonna buy their first game, only to find out they can't play it for one reason or another? This is gonna be such a grand disaster, I can't wait.
 
The concept of being able to jump from your living room TV to your phone mid-game sounds like a great idea to anyone that never actually plays video games.

Anyone who's tried to play a game with a controller on their phones can attest to it being an awful experience. Those designs with a normal controller that has a clip in the middle to hold up your phone never feel right, due to the phone being heavier than the controller and making the whole thing lopsided.


I had a few games on Onlive. The earliest Humble Bundles gave out a few OnLive keys, and they had a deal once where you could get any game on the service for $1. Deus Ex: Human Revolution had just been released, so I picked that up, and found the input lag on it too uncomfortable to play, I couldn't even aim my gun accurately.

Guess what I got when they shut down the servers? Nothing at all. They were selling games for full price, too, so I'm glad I never dropped sixty bucks on anything. Google's track record with firing up services and just kind of letting them dwindle for years before finally bringing down the hammer hasn't helped their reputation, either.

Even the lead-up to the Microsoft Xbox wasn't this bad. The console got a lot of flak for being from Microsoft, but it brought some objectively nice stuff to the table. Everyone gets a built-in, large-at-the-time hard drive, killing the need for a memory card, and bringing forth CD ripping for custom soundtracks. Awesome. It also came out at a time when Nintendo was in dire straits, about to release the mediocre Gamecube while the PS2 was already cleaning house, giving it some much-needed competition.

Stadia just doesn't need to exist. Nobody's clamoring for it. It's something to show their equally clueless shareholders. And not to mention, Google's hubris on this project is stunning. They really just don't understand the gaming market, how its pricing works, or what makes for a comfortable experience. But what do you expect from a cult-like company where it's all but mandatory that everyone have some kind of special snowflake gender, and would fire James Damore for pointing out their hypocracy in the most gentle way possible?

Hell, I can't even try it out, and I'm well equipped to. I've got a Chromecast, a modern smartphone, plenty of controllers, and an enormous library of games. But none of my games will cross-activate, and there's no way I'm paying for anything on Stadia blindly. How many people are gonna buy their first game, only to find out they can't play it for one reason or another? This is gonna be such a grand disaster, I can't wait.

Its such a boomer fucking concept. Nobody wants to play this shit on their phones. I tried using emulators on my phone and it was a miserable experience with or without a controller. And if I have a controller, there's no fucking point playing on my phone, is there?

Not to mention Steam already has a streaming feature. You set it up on your rig. Basically its remote-desktoping for videogames. You use your beefy PC hardware and stream it to your laptop or chromebook or whatever has Steam on it. Again, you're still limited by internet speed, but you still have digital rights to your software. And you aren't going to be using it 100% so you aren't going to rape your internet. And there's way more protection for digital downloads than a cloud service, which is basically 60 bucks for a fucking rental.

Stadia is pure idiotic garbage. Also, here's a streaming service that's worth a fuck: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/playstation-now/games/#allgames 750 PS2, PS3 and PS4 games. $20 bucks a month. Never have to buy the game. You pay 20 bucks for the service and you're done. Games get added, you play them. It is still complicated with bandwidth issues, but there's no impression of ownership, it is literally Netflix for Playstation. This alone makes the Stadia irrelevant to me. How do you compete against this? I just don't see it.

It is purely a boomer idea and their guy in charge is a fucking moron who doesn't know jack shit. This isn't competition to anything. This is laughable. At no point did someone raise their hand and point to OnLive or PlaystationNow or Steam Streaming or even the fucking Nintendo Switch and go: "This isn't a fresh market space, we have lots of competition here." They acted like this was something new and revolutionary and are charging a fucking premium for it. Its not new, its not revolutionary. Maybe you should have fought the...no. The ISPs are fucking evil, but Google is fucking worse. Imagine being under the control of Google fiber. They see you're posting to Kiwifarms and just terminate your account. They read and monitor you, terminating all your services for one second of wrong-think. Thank fuck that died. I'd rather be lorded over by an unethical robber baron with no moral principles than a technocrat who wants to brainwash the population.

Also what about trolling? You buy $500 worth of games, Google doesn't like you trolling, just terminates you right there. Or maybe they don't like what you think. Terminated. Why the fuck would I EVER invest in a product that is actively policing, controlling and sanitizing speech? Where they basically ban you for nothing? Fuck you. Imagine video-game reviewers who review Stadia ports on YouTube and then just get their Stadia account terminated because their corporate overlords and Google didn't like what they had to say. This is not far-fetched. Facebook already said it would ban people from using its currency if they committed wrongthink that's totally legal. So why in the fuck would I invest in a product developed by censorious cunts who should probably be in jail and broken up?

Oh, Stadia is even more hilarious. Games don't cross activate because they needed to be ported to the Stadia. So any games you own, you have to re-buy. Its even worse, because of porting. So not every game will play the same and new releases will likely lag behind everything because who the fuck will waste resources right out of release on a Stadia port. Every single thing about this shit just becomes worse and worse and worse. Also no beta. So you can't even test the fucking thing to see how well it works. Good luck to any dumbfuck hipster who buys this and is a free beta-tester for this shithole of a service.

I'm still laughing at their slogan: "Gaming for everybody". Except nobody can figure out who the fuck this is for. Everyone is united in their confusion. Mobile gamers play mobile because they don't want to deal with complex titles and don't even want to use a controller. Hardcore gamers buy rigs and consoles, or subscribe to PS Now for a year because they don't want to buy a PS4 but want to play RDR 2 or BloodBorne. Nor are they willing to drop $60 bucks for something they are functionally renting, can't mod and totally reliant on Google for access.

The only person I can possibly think this would be for would be a casual, but even casual gamers already own a mid-tier rig for cheap or a console. Since they don't play much, they're not going to be willing to invest in an untested service or pay $60 for games. These types usually buy them discounted or second hand or only on sale because they don't play much. I cannot think of a legitimate market for this where the space isn't already taken or doesn't fit at all.

I hope this ends up like the Ouya and other failed shit consoles. What an embarrassment.
 
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I had a few games on Onlive. The earliest Humble Bundles gave out a few OnLive keys, and they had a deal once where you could get any game on the service for $1. Deus Ex: Human Revolution had just been released, so I picked that up, and found the input lag on it too uncomfortable to play, I couldn't even aim my gun accurately.

Guess what I got when they shut down the servers? Nothing at all. They were selling games for full price, too, so I'm glad I never dropped sixty bucks on anything. Google's track record with firing up services and just kind of letting them dwindle for years before finally bringing down the hammer hasn't helped their reputation, either.

Streaming games like OnLive tried to do was a service that made a lot of sense to me but they were just too early, too crap and wasn't smart enough to get bought by Sony like Gaikai.

I think Nvidia is in the best position right now for third-party services on PC. GeForce Now is just a a client connecting to a remote virtual machine where you log in with your steam account, play/install what you own and with cloud saves it all starts to look pretty convenient and there's no need to commit to playing a game on that platform. Plus, Nvidia will always be sitting on a crapload of unsold graphics card that they can't price-dump without crashing the market, so putting them into a data center makes sense.
From what I've played it works well, it might not be great for King of Fighters but I played some of the newer Tomb Raider and a game with that kind of animation priority will mask latency pretty well.
 
Games are 100% Full Price, Executive is clueless as to why they wouldn't be (Because you don't actually own them fuckface)

Google Dodged the Question 'If Stadia Gets Shut Down, what happens to the games purchased?' (They're gone nigger, the cloud goes bye-bye)
With these two answers alone, anyone who gets in on this knowing these facts, deserves to lose their money. Gonna charge me full price for rentals? Fuck yourself. And dodging the question about what happens to your games was the absolute worst move he could make, might as well had said "yes, that shit's gone" Are they stupid? Do they think people are just going to let that slide? Did they think people wouldn't actually WANT to keep the shit they're paying for? Does no one on their team actually play videogames?

Goddammit, the Stadia is one of the stupidest things they've tried to put out. No one is gonna pay full price for shit that is gonna be gone in a year while your internet is constantly being throttled in the meantime.
 
All my techie senses are tingling in the direction of Stadia being an embarrassing flop for reasons stated already. As mentioned, PSN streaming does way more for less cash per month. Stadia can't even compete with that little segment of Sony's ecosystem, let alone build a fully fledged console ecosystem of its own around streaming.

The lack of awareness on the part of the project founder behind Stadia is telling. Their little silicon valley bubble is far far removed from the rest of us. If they hope to force it down people's throats via their monopoly, only the hipster cunts will bite. A tiny segment, not enough to base their ecosystem on.
 
My feeling is that Google is completely isolated and has its head up its ass like @MrTickles. I already figured they were disconnected from normal Americans. They're not just disconnected from Normal Americans, their creators and American beliefs, but ENTIRE INDUSTRIES. This is what happens when you run a company like a cult. The laughable part is, they can't force it down anyone's throats. Google is treating this like this is a space that doesn't exist. It fucking already DOES. You have competition in this space from both Sony, with its streaming service and Nintendo, with Switch portability. And lets be real, nobody wants to play this shit on their phones with a controller.

Oh the guy in charge of this is a clueless fucktard. He is naive and has absolutely no idea about anything. ISPs are going to fuck google in the ass for this. They're already greedy whores when it comes to bandwith. They've barely been putting up with streaming video services. Streaming game services are only going to eat up more bandwith. Its laughable he thinks they'll change for Google. Nigger, do you know your brand is in the toilet right now and everyone fucking hates you? Nobody is going to bat for you anymore, except the dying press you paid for. We're happy to see you and the ISPs destroy each other, because its two evil fucks that deserve pain, its ISPs and Google.

I'll admit to you guys this: If PSNow had the JoJo game I wanted, I'd subscribe for a year in a second, because its less expensive than paying for the console and the game. And I already own a PS4 controller. So that would be 100 bucks for a year, not to mention I get to play Jojo, Bloodborne and Red Dead 2. Why the FUCK would I ever touch Stadia? I believe that streaming services like Sony's are going to co-exist next to their consoles. I think that's the future. Digital Distribution and Streaming. That way you don't have to keep buying consoles and games, you just buy the one you want and buy the streaming service for the other and wait a bit. A hundred bucks a year for 750 games with cloud saving and progress between your PS4 and PSNow, as well as if you quit the service, is worth it. There might be a streaming service for PC, but that remains to be seen. The problem with PC Streaming is porting issues and getting all the companies together. PC streaming might not be a thing for a long time.

With these two answers alone, anyone who gets in on this knowing these facts, deserves to lose their money. Gonna charge me full price for rentals? Fuck yourself. And dodging the question about what happens to your games was the absolute worst move he could make, might as well had said "yes, that shit's gone" Are they stupid? Do they think people are just going to let that slide? Did they think people wouldn't actually WANT to keep the shit they're paying for? Does no one on their team actually play videogames?

Goddammit, the Stadia is one of the stupidest things they've tried to put out. No one is gonna pay full price for shit that is gonna be gone in a year while your internet is constantly being throttled in the meantime.

Exactly. Full price for a rental. They're not 'Netflix for Games' which is literally the only way they could have succeeded. People have been spoiled by Digital Distribution and are fucktarded, not answering questions. You don't technically own your games, you own a license to them. But still, there are protections there. With cloud gaming, its technically renting that game from the service.

I don't believe they actually looked at any data when doing this. I fully believe this is an attempt to push the mobile market to actual gaming with a controller. Which cannot be understated, is a gigantic mistake. With their slogan, I truly believe they aimed at the mobile market. The problem is the mobile market wants nothing to do with mainstream gaming. They're very much separate genres.
 
Oh the guy in charge of this is a clueless fucktard. He is naive and has absolutely no idea about anything. ISPs are going to fuck google in the ass for this. They're already greedy whores when it comes to bandwith. They've barely been putting up with streaming video services. Streaming game services are only going to eat up more bandwith. Its laughable he thinks they'll change for Google.

I don't think that's correct. Netflix was never negatively impacted by ISPs.

Oh, right, I forgot https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...will-pay-tolls-to-more-isps-not-just-comcast/ - lol. I'm sure they won't pull the same stunt for people using a literal terabyte twice a month.

I can't wait to see what they charge google for that much bandwidth.
 
I hope Stadia does to Google what the CDI did to Philips.

It feels like it could be more like a Commodore CDTV, at least people remember the CDi and 7th Guest/crappy Zelda.

The thing that Google could leverage is their existing data centers all over the world, it's been said that that they have a lot of unused fiber channels so they have that going for them. But potential network traffic and rack space is their ace in the hole, everything else they have to buy from AMD and/or Nvidia and like I posted Nvidia already sits on the graphics cards(using AMD cpus) and AMD would be supplying Google with both GPUs and CPUs. Plus a lot of the board design, probably, Google would likely want to have their people do that to make it optimal but it would probably be a good idea to work off of what AMD provides as part of the deal or start with their designs.
 
I love Stadia, not because I gonna buy one. I just like seeing google taking a costly fucking fail for all the shit they've done.
 
i wonder if people who already have the stadia compatible games on their computers can use the stadia thing with those games or if you have to rebuy them again to play it on it

i know they game odyssey away for project stream players but i wanna know if i can use that copy with the stadia tho
 
i wonder if people who already have the stadia compatible games on their computers can use the stadia thing with those games or if you have to rebuy them again to play it on it

i know they game odyssey away for project stream players but i wanna know if i can use that copy with the stadia tho
From what I've read, you have to start from square one. No activating any games you already own, you have to rebuy everything.
 
Companies are getting better at optimizing their games for lower end systems (Consoles are very behind afterall) and good PC's are getting cheaper...

This idea basically makes no sense even without Google's incompetence and the fact that you don't own your games.
 
Companies are getting better at optimizing their games for lower end systems (Consoles are very behind afterall) and good PC's are getting cheaper...

This idea basically makes no sense even without Google's incompetence and the fact that you don't own your games.
You forgot the part where because now that large local storage is now assumed in consoles file compression in almost any capacity has become an almost completely lost art in the triple-A space. Enjoy pulling down multiple gigs on every loading screen because some auteur shithead thought it'd look more cinematic to run a picasso filter upscale on every texture up to 4k. It looks twice as cinematic and only takes an order of magnitude more space!
 
It's going to fail.

Put aside the fucking bandwidth issues, the fact that no one with half a fucking brain is going to sign onto something so blatantly anti-consumer, or the fact that this has "another dead Google side-project" written all over it in crayon. All of these are adequate reason to tell game streaming to go fuck a garbage disposal, but the reason this is going to fail is so much simpler than this. Yes, simpler even than Google's rote incompetence.

First, let's get the obvious out of the way. Google's console already exists, and China made it years ago. It's called the Fuze. It also kind of sucks. Rerez reviewed it because Soulja Boy was (briefly) selling it:


The bigger issue, however, for me, is the fact that this shit just doesn't work. To me, Streaming has always reeked of gimmicky bullshit that E-Hipsters all said was the new hotness, like VR, and it's just as barely functional. As I do have a PS4, I've had access to Sony's streaming for a while, and there's no nice way to put it: It fucking barely works, and that's when it fucking chooses to work at all, which it usually doesn't, claiming a wired connection isn't good enough when it's geting A- on Speedtest and spitting out error codes that match no actual entry on Sony's website.

When I've done streaming games via Sony the games have input lag timing that ranges from irritating to absolutely unplayable. Probably the best example for me was Salt and Sanctuary, where a friend of mine asked me to use the Streaming feature to beat the Unspeakable Deep for him, as I had in my own saves, so he could get the bonus items. Below is what this fight normally looks like:


In the stream, we had a solid 2 seconds of input lag. This is a fight where one hit generally kills, so suffice to say taking it on with input lag is..... Basically impossible. And this is an extremely resource-light 2D Metroidvania game that is taxing neither the console nor data caps. Much later we got Helldivers to stream, and that ran much better but still had bad input lag - about a second - that could (and would) get you killed.

Again, a game that wasn't taxing the system hardware any. This is a fucking non-starter.
 
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