Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[OddEyes]

Nintendo got rid of it's shares and then microsoft purchased it.

Actually no, Nintendo didn't outright buy the company.

Nintendo owned almost half of the UK company, but for reasons unknown never tried to buy Rare outright, despite the fact that the Stampers were clearly on the lookout for buyers. I can't find where Nintendo got rid of it's shares.

Rare Co-Founder Has No Idea Why Nintendo Didn't Buy The Studio Outright

"I thought we were a good fit"

www.nintendolife.com

 

[Marissa Moira]

Actually no, Nintendo didn't outright buy the company.

Nintendo owned almost half of the UK company, but for reasons unknown never tried to buy Rare outright, despite the fact that the Stampers were clearly on the lookout for buyers. I can't find where Nintendo got rid of it's shares.

Rare Co-Founder Has No Idea Why Nintendo Didn't Buy The Studio Outright

"I thought we were a good fit"

www.nintendolife.com

I thought Nintendo owned it's part through stock and then dumped it?

 

[OddEyes]

I thought Nintendo owned it's part through stock and then dumped it?

*shrugs*

 

[Marissa Moira]

If phones can claim the soul of Diablo, then they can claim Pokemon.

After all who doesn't have a phone? People have been playing emulated versions of Nintendo games on their phones for eons which is why the nintendo president cracked down on emulation sites and wants to make phones their main platform much like how Microsoft wants to hump the cloud services.

I mean it's not gonna work, but it won't stop them from burning all the shit down in the process.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

After all who doesn't have a phone?

Me, lol.

 

[whatever I feel like]

They already killed the spinoffs, the series will go all mobile and the console series will be dead.

Gamefreak itself might even be jettisoned by Nintendo, just like how Nintendo got rid of Rare. Why keep a company on that makes a more costly game about your property on when the cheaper mobile version makes 3-4 times as more as the expensive game?

Thats why Gamefreak is making town, it's an attempt to stay relevant. Just like how Monolithsoft makes Xenoblade gamefreak is trying to make a non-pokemon series to stay in nintendo's good graces so they're not kicked to the curb. Gamefreak needs Nintendo more than Nintendo does Gamefreak.

This is ridiculous. Even shit like Pokemon Rumble stuck around for a decade, Switch got a Pokken port and they likely have more stuff in the works. And while Nintendo has a controlling stake in Pokemon, Gamefreak owns a third of it outright. While they might have tech quality issues the games are made quickly with what I assume to be a relatively small team and are second only to Smash and Mario Kart in sales. You'd have to be a fool to think that Nintendo is going to kill it off in favor of what, the same mobile games that they are going to make anyway? A game who's profits go not just to the Pokemon rights holders, but to the app store and Niantic as well.



And as an aside, Nintendo did not get rid of Rare out of boredom, they just were not willing to pay as much for the Stamper brothers's 51 percent as Microsoft (and Activision) were. And after Microsoft had a controlling stake, what point was there to Nintendo sticking around, hence the sale of their portion and the rights to Banjo and Conker (started in DKR and thus technically would have been Nintendo property.) Rare were really chafing under Nintendo's heal back then and a lot of their personnel wanted out, they were not sad to be sold.

 

[Marissa Moira]

This is ridiculous. Even shit like Pokemon Rumble stuck around for a decade, Switch got a Pokken port and they likely have more stuff in the works. And while Nintendo has a controlling stake in Pokemon, Gamefreak owns a third of it outright. While they might have tech quality issues the games are made quickly with what I assume to be a relatively small team and are second only to Smash and Mario Kart in sales. You'd have to be a fool to think that Nintendo is going to kill it off in favor of what, the same mobile games that they are going to make anyway? A game who's profits go not just to the Pokemon rights holders, but to the app store and Niantic as well.



And as an aside, Nintendo did not get rid of Rare out of boredom, they just were not willing to pay as much for the Stamper brothers's 51 percent as Microsoft (and Activision) were. And after Microsoft had a controlling stake, what point was there to Nintendo sticking around, hence the sale of their portion and the rights to Banjo and Conker (started in DKR and thus technically would have been Nintendo property.) Rare were really chafing under Nintendo's heal back then and a lot of their personnel wanted out, they were not sad to be sold.

I dunno because Nintendo isn't immune from making groundshakingly stupid decisions(look at the wii-u). Sword and Shield really look like they have minimum effort put into it. And the fact that they're trying to develop a larger scale game alongside it unrelated to pokemon, really sounds like a rift has started to appear. They announced more mobile pokemon games and features than ones that belong on a proper console.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Meh, they have always been willing to do other stuff, if it struck their fancy (Drill Dozer and Tembo off the top of my head.) If Gamefreak wants to be a multi-game studio, thats good. It might shock you that weird projects just somehow go through from time to time. HAL makes weird games all the time, Grezzo took a break from porting stuff to do Ever Oasis, the Animal Crossing team made Splatoon to fill a "squirt gun shooter" niche Nintendo executives saw, etc.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Meh, they have always been willing to do other stuff, if it struck their fancy (Drill Dozer and Tembo off the top of my head.) If Gamefreak wants to be a multi-game studio, thats good. It might shock you that weird projects just somehow go through from time to time. HAL makes weird games all the time, Grezzo took a break from porting stuff to do Ever Oasis, the Animal Crossing team made Splatoon to fill a "squirt gun shooter" niche Nintendo executives saw, etc.

Ever Oasis was a bomb though.

Drill Dozer and Tembo are not the same scale as Town. Town is like a Dark Cloud/Rune Factory type game, it's a fairly large project.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

Say it with me now, Go was the beginning of the end. Go showed that they could make triple what regular games could, so first it started with the traditional spin-offs getting axed one by one (the conference was nothing but mobile garbage aside from Detective Pikachu 2 which will be nothing more than a movie tie-in later), then Let's Go trying to cram Go mechanics into the main series, and now finally the actual main series itself is a pathetic sham of its former self to the point where the mons themselves are getting Thanos snapped.

Face it, the franchise as we know it is at death's door, and judging how preorders for SWSH are flying off the shelves anyway despite the rampant outcries, the original fans will soon be replaced.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I wonder if it'll have full voice acting.

God I hope not. Please don't give me Laura Bailey, Erica Lindbeck, Max Mittleman, JYB, Wendee Lee, Kyle McCarley, Xander Mobus, Matt Mercer, Kate Higgins, etc in my Pokemon doing horrid attempts at English accents.

Ffs get Jo Wyatt (Ciri and F!Hawke) if it's a must. Cuz shes British and lives in L.A.

 

[OddEyes]

Face it, the franchise as we know it is at death's door, and judging how preorders for SWSH are flying off the shelves anyway despite the rampant outcries, the original fans will soon be replaced.

To be fair, the people who are complaining about this and causing the 'rampant' outcries are kind of being twats.

Like, no joke, they focus on the stupidest things - like the singular trees, and then proclaim the game to be ugly, meanwhile ignoring all the beautiful battle animations and settings that we've seen.

Also... To clarify, I've been with the series for a long time. I don't agree with GF's choice to cut out some of the dex to make yearly releases (Honestly, they could've had side games come out), but a lot of people complaining about SwSh are really dumb.

REALLY dumb. I don't have a preorder, cause I'm waiting for reviews, but claiming that the old guard is being replaced is kinda dumb. You fail to understand how hardheaded and hypocritical the Pokemon community can be at times. I would think VERLISIFY would be a great example of that behavior.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

To be fair, the people who are complaining about this and causing the 'rampant' outcries are kind of being twats.

Like, no joke, they focus on the stupidest things - like the singular trees, and then proclaim the game to be ugly, meanwhile ignoring all the beautiful battle animations and settings that we've seen.

Also... To clarify, I've been with the series for a long time. I don't agree with GF's choice to cut out some of the dex to make yearly releases (Honestly, they could've had side games come out), but a lot of people complaining about SwSh are really dumb.

REALLY dumb. I don't have a preorder, cause I'm waiting for reviews, but claiming that the old guard is being replaced is kinda dumb. You fail to understand how hardheaded and hypocritical the Pokemon community can be at times. I would think VERLISIFY would be a great example of that behavior.

Don't let the shillhead Poketubers speak for the fanbase at large. They all have to just swallow the pills GF is passing out because they have to. They made their bed of relying on one single game franchise for their "career" choice, and now they must lie in it.

 

[OddEyes]

Don't let the shillhead Poketubers speak for the fanbase at large. They all have to just swallow the pills GF is passing out because they have to. They made their bed of relying on one single game franchise for their "career" choice, and now they must lie in it.

Doesn't negate my point that the Pokemon Fanbase is full of hypocrites, and being hardheaded.

Those guys are just the forerunners.

 

[Dunsparce]

Gamefreak itself might even be jettisoned by Nintendo, just like how Nintendo got rid of Rare. Why keep a company on that makes a more costly game about your property on when the cheaper mobile version makes 3-4 times as more as the expensive game?

Game Freak doesn't even belong to Nintendo, it's an independent company that owns a sizable share of the rights to Pokemon. Or it'd be more accurate to say, because Nintendo helped fund and complete the creation of Pokemon Red and Green which had been in developent hell for over half a decade, that they were in return given many, but not all, of the rights to the series. That's why they can still release non-Pokemon games on other platforms, For example their game Tembo the Badass Elephant is on PS4, Xbox One, and PC, but not any Nintendo system.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Game Freak doesn't even belong to Nintendo, it's an independent company that owns a sizable share of the rights to Pokemon. Or it'd be more accurate to say, because Nintendo helped fund and complete the creation of Pokemon Red and Green which had been in developent hell for over half a decade, that they were in return given many, but not all, of the rights to the series. That's why they can still release non-Pokemon games on other platforms, For example their game Tembo the Badass Elephant is on PS4, Xbox One, and PC, but not any Nintendo system.

Eeeeeeeeehhhh I dunno

That's still not enough legal separation, Nintendo could just buy their shares to pokemon and be done with them. Crash Bandicoot was a similar circumstance IIRC.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Eeeeeeeeehhhh I dunno

That's still not enough legal separation, Nintendo could just buy their shares to pokemon and be done with them. Crash Bandicoot was a similar circumstance IIRC.

Only if GF is willing to sell, and why would they be? They can, even if Nintendo refuses to let them make games, sit back and coast off of any existing deals (Go!) and new games that come in. At that point it wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to even try, as Pokemon is still one of Nintendo's 3 biggest releases (and the only one that comes out more than once a generation.)

You seem like you are saying this stuff because you dislike the low effort put into the series upgrades, but this isn't the only series Nintendo lets remain the same. Mario Party is like that, NSMB was another one, Smash is great but has had the same basic mechanics since 64. Its a cash cow, Nintendo is nothing but pleased with it.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Only if GF is willing to sell, and why would they be? They can, even if Nintendo refuses to let them make games, sit back and coast off of any existing deals (Go!) and new games that come in. At that point it wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to even try, as Pokemon is still one of Nintendo's 3 biggest releases (and the only one that comes out more than once a generation.)

You seem like you are saying this stuff because you dislike the low effort put into the series upgrades, but this isn't the only series Nintendo lets remain the same. Mario Party is like that, NSMB was another one, Smash is great but has had the same basic mechanics since 64. Its a cash cow, Nintendo is nothing but pleased with it.

Yes that is one of my primary reasons why I really don't like modern Nintendo is that a good many of their releases are minimum effort and they've essentially stagnated.

 

[Ledian]

Yes that is one of my primary reasons why I really don't like modern Nintendo is that a good many of their releases are minimum effort and they've essentially stagnated.

Up to the Switch, I absolutely agree but now Nintendo seems to have turned it all around and actually seem to be in an innovation overdrive. Series like Mario Party and Mario Tennis have been changed gameplay wise after stagnating for so long. They keep expanding their IPs now and are being aggressive with building new IPs like with Daemon X Machina and Astral Chain. The recent delays in MP4 and AC:NH also give indication that they're really taking the quality of their games seriously. They know they've sat on their laurels for too long and now they're scrambling to fix that.
They've been doing an okay job so far but in all this, the one thing that stands out is Pokemon and that's because Nintendo has no direct control over it. I see Pokemon's stagnation more in the hands of Game Freak than Nintendo. Both may want money but they clearly at direct competition with what they want to do now.
Game Freak have clearly been looking to find new pastures while Nintendo, and TCPi by extension, have all the indication they want the show to go on. Mobile or not, at this point, I have to wonder why hasn't Game Freak spun off a studio to focus solely on Pokemon and leave Game Freak to do what it wants. They still want the Pokemon money too since it's stable but they haven't tried doing this despite being an obvious move.
What's especially baffling is that they have a subsidiary developer already, Koa Games, and they have been helping develop Pokemon games for mobile. Why not move all Pokemon production to them as well as placing dedicated staff with them as well and have Koa Games be the new label for all Pokemon game products main-line, spin-offs, and mobile?

 

[Marissa Moira]

Up to the Switch, I absolutely agree but now Nintendo seems to have turned it all around and actually seem to be in an innovation overdrive. Series like Mario Party and Mario Tennis have been changed gameplay wise after stagnating for so long. They keep expanding their IPs now and are being aggressive with building new IPs like with Daemon X Machina and Astral Chain. The recent delays in MP4 and AC:NH also give indication that they're really taking the quality of their games seriously. They know they've sat on their laurels for too long and now they're scrambling to fix that.
They've been doing an okay job so far but in all this, the one thing that stands out is Pokemon and that's because Nintendo has no direct control over it. I see Pokemon's stagnation more in the hands of Game Freak than Nintendo. Both may want money but they clearly at direct competition with what they want to do now.
Game Freak have clearly been looking to find new pastures while Nintendo, and TCPi by extension, have all the indication they want the show to go on. Mobile or not, at this point, I have to wonder why hasn't Game Freak spun off a studio to focus solely on Pokemon and leave Game Freak to do what it wants. They still want the Pokemon money too since it's stable but they haven't tried doing this despite being an obvious move.
What's especially baffling is that they have a subsidiary developer already, Koa Games, and they have been helping develop Pokemon games for mobile. Why not move all Pokemon production to them as well as placing dedicated staff with them as well and have Koa Games be the new label for all Pokemon game products main-line, spin-offs, and mobile?

Daemon X Machina and Astral chain are only being published by nintendo, they're timed exclusives IIRC. They are also being developed by teams who have questionable output, Marvelous isn't known for good games. Astral Chain has most of the same team behind it as the Turtles and Avatar game did. Astral chain also has that overly saturated cell lighting and the gameplay looks really kinda rickety and not refined and solid like Metal Gear Rising. Most of the stuff looks like QTE city for the action sequences it's not looking to be as in depth as stuff like DMC.

Switch hasn't turned around shit, it's doing better than the wii-u but it's nowhere near close to how Nintendo was at it's peak. Especially since breath of the Wild is still considered a must have years in now and that's one of the most lacking Zelda games out of the whole series. It still seams that Nintendo really is coasting for more titles than it's not. I mean look at how Fire Emblem looks, everything from the graphics to gameplay systems looks like a budget game.