Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

[Super Color Up]

Who do you think's doing it then? Because as far as I know, Captain Marvel isn't very popular at all, save for the kind of tumblrina that only cares about the window dressing and not about the actual content, which is to say not much at all.

This feels like that time when The Sentry (Marvel's version of superman that's supremely mentally ill and solely responsible for that weird arc with Marvel Zombies) died again and everyone, literally everyone was saying how much of a great guy he was despite him not doing much of anything beyond whining and solving a few problems. It's forced as fuck.

(Hyperion is better anyway.)

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Who do you think's doing it then? Because as far as I know, Captain Marvel isn't very popular at all, save for the kind of tumblrina that only cares about the window dressing and not about the actual content, which is to say not much at all.

Its not a conspiracy. No one is sincerely in love with Captain Marvel. Here's the thing: in three weeks, all of Marvel's big characters are done. Marvel wants to keep the gravy train rolling, but to do that it needs to build up its next Avengers lineup. Captain Marvel could have been the worst Marvel movie ever, but it doesn't matter because she's literally all they have right now. In short, what you're seeing is marketing hype. Feige will never, ever say that Captain Marvel is a shit character. He can't. He will promote that shit no matter what because his career relies on these films remaining successful.

It'll be a few years before we see know what Avengers 5 will look like, but you can be damn sure every potential Avenger is going to be hyped to hell and back until that time.

 

[Super Color Up]

Its not a conspiracy.

A paranoiac is just someone in possession of all the facts.

 

[iRON-mAn]

Who do you think's doing it then? Because as far as I know, Captain Marvel isn't very popular at all, save for the kind of tumblrina that only cares about the window dressing and not about the actual content, which is to say not much at all.

Probably because she's one of the few big name female Avengers with a decent power set. Wasp and She-Hulk are fairly derivative when you already have Ant-Man and Hulk. Black Widow and Mockingbird don't even have powers. The only other Avenger with comparable name appeal and a strong power set is Scarlett Witch, and they've nerfed her in the films compared to the comics. Captain Marvel on the other hand has cross-comic appeal, and is probably even known to anyone who even watched Fox's X-Men in the 90s. Beyond Captain Marvel, you have to go into Avengers that either no one has really heard of outside of the comics (which, granted, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to do, but not as a flagship) or characters that are more well known from other stories. CM may not be entirely liked but she is recognisable.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I agree this doesn't make much sense, but is it really Captain Marvel's (the film, not the character) fault?.

When it's all under the direction of a single company, yes. For example, it's the fault of Civil War 2 that so many things turned for the worse, and it is Marvel Comics' fault for not hiring decent editors to supervise that mess.

Forget the whole "feminist agenda" angle: The movie sucks. I have complaints about the movie's structure, pacing, and its cornucopia of plot holes and contrivances. And don't even get me started on the forced retconning. The MCU has been VERY careful about its overarching story for 10 years now, making sure to pay attention to the details so that things make sense. They threw that strategy completely out the window with Captain Marvel. The movie creates more questions than answers.

Good. Maybe now the movies can become just as re.tarded as their comic source. Avengers 1,000,000 B.C. (Before Carol) when?

 

[iRON-mAn]

When it's all under the direction of a single company, yes. For example, it's the fault of Civil War 2 that so many things turned for the worse, and it is Marvel Comics' fault for not hiring decent editors to supervise that mess.

Except my point is that the problem is something that was around before Captain Marvel, so it's more like blaming Civil War 2 for something that happened in Secret Wars.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Except my point is that the problem is something that was around before Captain Marvel, so it's more like blaming Civil War 2 for something that happened in Secret Wars.

I think it's just you believe the previously established fiction is at fault for not facilitating the creation of this later film. I see it the opposite way: Films that come out as part of an interconnected universe should expect to have continuity that is not in contradiction to earlier works.

The original work was suitable the way it was, it's the alteration by the later movie that creates difficulties. This is all because of one thing: they wanted to bring Captain Marvel to the forefront of the MCU, and they believed the best way to do that would be to shoehorn her into Infinity War.

 

[iRON-mAn]

I think it's just you believe the previously established fiction is at fault for not facilitating the creation of this later film.

No, I'm just not going to blame Captain Marvel for plot holes created in Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger and The Avengers. The previously established fiction already has faults, regardless of the creation of the later film or not.

Films that come out as part of an interconnected universe should expect to have continuity that is not in contradiction to earlier works.

I agree, and you would think that they'd have how this all fits together worked out in advance so that they don't end up with these plot holes, but the fact that they're rewriting the continuity as they go to fit the current film they're making has always been the case, long before Captain Marvel.

The original work was suitable the way it was, it's the alteration by the later movie that creates difficulties. This is all because of one thing: they wanted to bring Captain Marvel to the forefront of the MCU, and they believed the best way to do that would be to shoehorn her into Infinity War.

I disagree that it was suitable the way it was. Accepted perhaps, but there were plot holes regardless.

 

[Done]

Movie just passed $1 Billion worldwide.

 

[That Chris Guy]

-No, I'm just not going to blame Captain Marvel for plot holes created in Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger and The Avengers. The previously established fiction already has faults, regardless of the creation of the later film or not.

-I agree, and you would think that they'd have how this all fits together worked out in advance so that they don't end up with these plot holes, but the fact that they're rewriting the continuity as they go to fit the current film they're making has always been the case, long before Captain Marvel.

-I disagree that it was suitable the way it was. Accepted perhaps, but there were plot holes regardless.

Fair enough. I doubt they'll ever fully explain those errors nor dwell long enough to resolve them. I doubt most normal moviegoers notice any of them, and that's the target audience they're shooting for.

Movie just passed $1 Billion worldwide.

"Dethroned The Dark Knight"

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Movie just passed $1 Billion worldwide.

Don't worry guys, the movie finally got that tipped over popcorn bucket! And nobody's going to question why this totally hated movie has nearly 25,000 more reviews than pop culture event Infinity War has. They're cutting her out of Endgame as we speak! An insider said so!

 

[friedshrimp]

I mean, the DC movies are still doing good, all in all. Dunno who brought the salty Marvel fanboy into the thread, honestly. If this is a DC vs Marvel competition, well neither of them seem to be losing.

 

[iRON-mAn]

Fair enough. I doubt they'll ever fully explain those errors nor dwell long enough to resolve them. I doubt most normal moviegoers notice any of them, and that's the target audience they're shooting for.

I agree. I wouldn't have been talking about it either had it not been brought up in this thread already.

 

[nosemouth]

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Don't worry guys, the movie finally got that tipped over popcorn bucket! And nobody's going to question why this totally hated movie has nearly 25,000 more reviews than pop culture event Infinity War has. They're cutting her out of Endgame as we speak! An insider said so!

You just totally dunked on all those haters you've completely invented, well done!

 

[Dogs can't look up]

Off topic, but I couldn't resist posting this here, after it got shoved in my face.

Did you guys know that Brie Larson & Samuel L. Jackson have made more than one movie together?

Did you also know that Brie is not only a wonderful actor and human being, but is also a director?

I think this really hammers home her substantial range, and talent, that everyone here is totally just jealous of.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=r_51UsTDBAE

So basically a Garden State type movie but with a female lead.

 

[Done]

I mean, the DC movies are still doing good, all in all. Dunno who brought the salty Marvel fanboy into the thread, honestly. If this is a DC vs Marvel competition, well neither of them seem to be losing.

DC used to be on the losing side, but now they're beginning to make safer, more Marvel-esque movies and starting to build their brand.

I really wish they nailed it out of the gate though, like imagine if those initial movies were actually good? We would have had something that's good, but not a carbon copy of Marvel.

You just totally dunked on all those haters you've completely invented, well done!

Lmao ppl have been literally whining about the world's most mundane Superhero origin movie for 92 pages, YT is FILLED with videos about Disney supposedly buying tickets to fake a big showing, but he invented the haters?

 

[One Man Bland]

Movie just passed $1 Billion worldwide.

“hauling in $358 million in North America alone and $645 million internationally.”

Yeah that’s about what I expected. Most Marvel seem to break a billion when over half of the profits are from China money.

 

[Done]

“hauling in $358 million in North America alone and $645 million internationally.”

Yeah that’s about what I expected. Most Marvel seem to break a billion when over half of the profits are from China money.

IIRC, it only made ~$130m from China, the rest seems driven by other regions like SE Asia or Europe.

 

[One Man Bland]

IIRC, it only made ~$130m from China, the rest seems driven by other regions like SE Asia or Europe

Huh, my mistake then.

Still, the fact that the success of these movies is so heavily reliant on a foreign market isn’t a good sign for long term sustainability, especially when the domestic market is showing signs of fatigue towards a franchise.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Still, the fact that the success of these movies is so heavily reliant on a foreign market isn’t a good sign for long term sustainability, especially when the domestic market is showing signs of fatigue towards a franchise.

Fatigue? The two highest domestic grossing film in the franchise came out last year. Marvel is constantly defying the odds when its comes to box office vitality.