Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

[iRON-mAn]

Who needs muscles when you've got power armour. :v

Cap was beefed because he was augmented, and Thor was a god. RDJ honestly never looked as jacked as those two. Post-Avengers1, he toned up a bit, but he was also a paranoid wreck and build an AI that tried to kill everyone, so, he was clearly pushing his human limits trying not to die in space again.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Ohmygod, people are obsessed with this movie's box office to an insane level at this point.

Okay, sure, it had a 70%+ drop on Monday. Guess what? Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2 had the same drop if you do a second's worth of research, and nobody argues the success of that movie.

Honestly, the only thing to really point out with Captain Marvel's box office numbers is that they appear to be so large because almost all of the international markets opened at the same time (which typically doesn't happen). It's still going to be a successful movie though, so ...

To be fair, I think they don't want it to succeed because of how the audience has been viewed with utter contempt by people working on the film, and that usually plays out disastrously (TLJ, Fembusters, etc.). They're probably also concerned of a mediocre-to-poor-quality film setting an even lower standard for future films to aspire to.

It's a problem across the entire entertainment industry imo. Marvel Comics treated its followers like utter shit post-2014, killing off most of the main cast or removing them for stupid reasons and replacing them with diversity hires, while being told they had to like them or they were prejudiced. Couldn't have been that they weren't born yesterday and have seen enough better-quality content that they were dissatisfied, right?

Spoiler: Even more Off-topic

Same with video games: All these unremarkable walking simulators and unnecessary changes made just to gain diversity brownie points, and mounting censorship as the industry has turned what was a joke about Australia being a nanny state into a worldwide thing. All while scummy paid reviews, lootboxes, online tethering and microtransactions are openly flaunted mostly without retaliation. Because it's the shitty new standard people have become used to.

I do agree on the tinfoil hat nature of thinking Disney bought its own empty seats though. No substantial evidence of this with no previous track record - if you're not going to see it then tell people why it's bad, but don't resort to large leaps of logic to get your point across.

 

[friedshrimp]

Reports are coming in that they're planning Captain Marvel 2 and for Kamala Khan to star in it.

It'll be interesting to see the marketing for that film. "You can be a powerful woman, as long as you cover yourself up, you whore."

 

[RumblyTumbly]

To be fair, I think they don't want it to succeed because of how the audience has been viewed with utter contempt by people working on the film, and that usually plays out disastrously (TLJ, Fembusters, etc.). They're probably also concerned of a mediocre-to-poor-quality film setting an even lower standard for future films to aspire to.

It's a problem across the entire entertainment industry imo. Marvel Comics treated its followers like utter shit post-2014, killing off most of the main cast or removing them for stupid reasons and replacing them with diversity hires, while being told they had to like them or they were prejudiced. Couldn't have been that they weren't born yesterday and have seen enough better-quality content that they were dissatisfied, right?

See that's where the Creed movies got it right. They could have easily gone for woke points and say "Yo! This is a PoC movie! You have to see it and like it or you're a racist!" and they could have told the existing Rocky fanbase to go fuck themselves.

Instead they just made really good movies that continued the story naturally. That's all you have to do.

Part of me also thinks that the woke-warrior crowd are the types that don't care about sports unless its Quidditch or fighting unless it involves capes and lasers, so that might be why they just left Creed alone.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Reports are coming in that they're planning Captain Marvel 2 and for Kamala Khan to star in it.

It'll be interesting to see the marketing for that film. "You can be a powerful woman, as long as you cover yourself up, you whore."

It'll ironically play out exactly like the Middle East treats their women, only in reverse: Your 3/5ths of an opinion won't count because you're already viewed as subhuman.

See that's where the Creed movies got it right. They could have easily gone for woke points and say "Yo! This is a PoC movie! You have to see it and like it or you're a racist!" and they could have told the existing Rocky fanbase to go fuck themselves.

Instead they just made really good movies that continued the story naturally. That's all you have to do.

Part of me also thinks that the woke-warrior crowd are the types that don't care about sports unless its Quidditch or fighting unless it involves capes and lasers, so that might be why they just left Creed alone.

Haven't seen the second, but I loved the first and it exemplified how inclusiveness should be handled: natural, organic inclusion that doesn't compromise the original material for the sake of virtue signaling.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

To be fair, I think they don't want it to succeed because of how the audience has been viewed with utter contempt by people working on the film, and that usually plays out disastrously (TLJ, Fembusters, etc.). They're probably also concerned of a mediocre-to-poor-quality film setting an even lower standard for future films to aspire to.

It's a problem across the entire entertainment industry imo. Marvel Comics treated its followers like utter shit post-2014, killing off most of the main cast or removing them for stupid reasons and replacing them with diversity hires, while being told they had to like them or they were prejudiced. Couldn't have been that they weren't born yesterday and have seen enough better-quality content that they were dissatisfied, right?

Spoiler: Even more Off-topic

Same with video games: All these unremarkable walking simulators and unnecessary changes made just to gain diversity brownie points, and mounting censorship as the industry has turned what was a joke about Australia being a nanny state into a worldwide thing. All while scummy paid reviews, lootboxes, online tethering and microtransactions are openly flaunted mostly without retaliation. Because it's the shitty new standard people have become used to.

I do agree on the tinfoil hat nature of thinking Disney bought its own empty seats though. No substantial evidence of this with no previous track record - if you're not going to see it then tell people why it's bad, but don't resort to large leaps of logic to get your point across.

Oh, I'm totally fine with fans calling this film out with the shit it's been pulling. There is 100% an air of contempt towards a high percentage of this fanbase from the people who made the movie. And the shit that Rotten Tomatoes has been pulling is anything BUT a conspiracy theory.

I just think that some fans (especially some of the ones with YouTube channels) have been pretty obsessive over it. Every single day for about a month now, some of these YouTube channels rant about Captain Marvel and post multiple videos about it. By being this obsessive, I think these fans have only drawn more attention to the movie (attention the movie flat-out doesn't deserve, because it sucks).

And when that obsessiveness gets to a point where they are accusing Disney of buying their own tickets because of some rando on Twitter saying so (with no evidence), then we've got "Captain Marvel Derangement Syndrome" on our hands, here.

 

[MI 814]

But like that you're even this worked up, to the point where calling it "Fine if not that good" is actively an issue for you, is... really fucking autistic. That you don't think anyone can point at people trying to seriously say "Disney is spending millions on a flop for optics!" is pretty autistic. That you think anyone would laughing at people saying that are doing so for feminism brownie points and not because it's a larf that people demand to be taken seriously while saying that is...

Look quit gettin mad at children's cinema, I guess is the point of all this.

Stop getting mad about a movie about Space Wizards made for kids.

That kind of mentality leads to mediocre half arsed products.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Shilled my sheckels to Disney the other day so I might as well throw my two cents in. There's not much substance to the film for all the hoopla surrounding it. It wasn't even exceptionally bad like 'Busters2016 or The Last Jedi. Just kind of a meh-tier marvel movie. Made with the minimum amount of competence I've come to expect from the series. Like the first Thor or Dr. Strange. Mechanically it was essentially like the first Captain America; squeezing in the last little character they need for their big dick crossover movie.

I'd still put The Dark World at the bottom of my quality list. I'm more annoyed that such a bland movie has stirred up such a controversy than I am with the mediocrity of the film itself. Shit wasn't worth it, and that goes both ways.

That is Captain Marvel's biggest sin, isn't it? It's too mediocre to even be memorable. Little wonder that Disney didn't mind that the entertainment media and the YouTube spergs created a tempest in a teapot because the product itself would have been forgotten otherwise.

 

[Miang]

I hate to compare her again to Superman, but her portrayal in this movie exhibits all the flaws that people have spouted about The Man of Steel for years now. He's too powerful, he can't die, yada yada yada. Except I've seen examples of Superman showing emotional vulnerability and have to struggle with his life, his powers, and his responsibilities.

I can't remember the episode, but I remember the old Justice League cartoon from about 15 years ago had a supervillain that trapped some of the heroes in their own worst nightmares. Superman's was all about his amazing powers going out of control. It was disturbing stuff for a cartoon - his laser vision flares up during a dinner date with Lois Lane and burns her to death, and he crushes Jimmy Olson to death by hugging him too hard. He tries to wall himself off from the world because he's destroying everything he gets close to.

I always thought that was an great take on the character, because Superman's most famous weakness causes him to lose his Fabulous Secret Powers, but in the end, his worst nightmare doesn't involve kryptonite at all: it's him losing control over his gifts. Maybe taking cues from that would temper all this DBZ "power level" hype around Captain Marvel. It'd be interesting to me to have a superhero who's really super but also maybe a little scared of her super-ness, a little worried about what might happen if she gets too angry and her next punch isn't pulled enough.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

So y’all heard James Gunn got hired back for GotG3?

 

[Dante Alighieri]

So y’all heard James Gunn got hired back for GotG3?

Either people can be crucified for what they said a decade ago or they can't, no double standards.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Either people can be crucified for what they said a decade ago or they can't, no double standards.

MovieBob is sure masturbating to death over this.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Look I just think anyone defending this movie is an idiot alright. And if you liked this movie or even thought it was just "okay", then your a part of the problem with Hollywood being a shitheap these days.

Hollywood has always been a shitheap and has always chased the generic but profitable over anything else. This is not a new phenomenon.

It is rather crazy people or channels believing that CM was inflated to an insane degree that disney would buy tickets just to inflate their box office numbers.

The movie also had huge amount of screens and at my local it ran multiples all day, so it's not surprising that a few theaters were 'empty'. Extrapolating that to all theaters worldwide is insane.

It's going to be interesting what percentage it manages to hold from this weekend. Spider-man and the last Ant-man had 62% drops while BP had 45%, given the middling reviews and 'take that ya incels' marketing i could see this dropping more than 62%. I'll go with a more conservative 58%, more than IW but less than AoU.

 

[Dropped Burner]

So y’all heard James Gunn got hired back for GotG3?

Finally a cultural victory against the Nazis. Those are all too few in this era of Trump.

 

[One Man Bland]

The big issue with this movie is that the protagonist doesn't really struggle with anything. I can't wait to see the movie pitch video from Ryan at ScreenRants on this. "Its super easy, barely an inconvenience" would have to be the title of the video. Rey from Star Wars would look at Captain Marvel and go "Damn girl. And they thought I was bad".

And as I've said before, they could have easily written her to be tragic and sympathetic. She got her mind wiped, brainwashed, enslaved, and forced to do evil things while having her life and memories stolen from her. I mean that's pretty fucked up...too bad none of this seems to impact her in the slightest. No redemption arc, no path of discovery to find out who she really is, no realization that her life is a lie and what that means. She just realizes she needs to shoot new bad guys and that's it! And then at the end, she basically becomes an unkillable god, so the climax has absolutely no tension at all.

And it isn't like Marvel has struggled with super powered invincibles in the past. Thor has enough plot armor to wrap around the sun, but there is always emotional vulnerability, character growth, and some kind of challenge that keeps him from winning with ease. The Hulk is mostly invincible, but Banner can't always control him and it ruined his life and all his relationships, which is covered very well. Cap is so strong, he can't even get drunk, but goddamn it has he been through some shit. And then Captain Marvel comes along and she's just lord almighty and the villains have no choice but to bow before her awesomeness.

I hate to compare her again to Superman, but her portrayal in this movie exhibits all the flaws that people have spouted about The Man of Steel for years now. He's too powerful, he can't die, yada yada yada. Except I've seen examples of Superman showing emotional vulnerability and have to struggle with his life, his powers, and his responsibilities. Superman II is a great example. Man of Steel, for all the flack that movie gets, has some great scenes from Clark's childhood of him getting used to his powers. Even Superman IV...that awful...awful movie, has Nuclear Man who poses a physical threat to Superman. When I start comparing you unfavorably to Superman IV, you did something wrong. And hell, even Batman V Superman, which missed the mark about as much as any movie can, at least killed Superman, showing that such a thing was possible.

It feels like CM is The Guybrush Paradox in action. The film was a very blatant marketing ploy from Day 1 what with its hasty announcement following DC announcing that Wonder Woman was in production, and I'm sure that Daddy Disney gave a whole list of things that couldn't be done with Captain Marvel based on focus group testing out the ass.

I think it's really telling that Disney/MCU elected to make Captain Marvel amnesiac - a literal blank slate - for her debut film. She fits perfectly in with MCU formula of a character's first movie being a redemption arc while conveniently making it so that she's not technically responsible for any wrong-doing she may do.

 

[PrincessHomura]

It feels like CM is The Guybrush Paradox in action. The film was a very blatant marketing ploy from Day 1 what with its hasty announcement following DC announcing that Wonder Woman was in production, and I'm sure that Daddy Disney gave a whole list of things that couldn't be done with Captain Marvel based on focus group testing out the ass.

I think it's really telling that Disney/MCU elected to make Captain Marvel amnesiac - a literal blank slate - for her debut film. She fits perfectly in with MCU formula of a character's first movie being a redemption arc while conveniently making it so that she's not technically responsible for any wrong-doing she may do.

For all of its faults, Captain Marvel was actually announced way before Wonder Woman was in any form of active development. It was announced back in October 2014 together with the rest of Marvel's Phase Three.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Saw this today. Sorry if already posted in thread somewhere.

 

[friedshrimp]

Tumblrinas are loving the crap out of this movie. It seems Disney doesn't even need to go to their houses to pay them to say "I felt represented by seeing Captain Marvel, It was the first time I saw a girl being a superhero, showed me I could be one too and I felt powerful."

I wonder how much fucking bad media they watched as kids to say things like this, I mean, not every female character back then was a damsel in distress either. so that, they didn't feel represented by Mulan or Xena or Eowyn or the fucking Powerpuff Girls?

 

[One Man Bland]

For all of its faults, Captain Marvel was actually announced way before Wonder Woman was in any form of active development. It was announced back in October 2014 together with the rest of Marvel's Phase Three.

Hate to be this person, but actually WB was talking about making a Wonder Woman film as early as 2010, and announced that plans for a film were in the making when Gal Gadot was cast in 2013 for Batman v. Superman. And funnily enough, WB announced that they were officially looking for a director for WW on October 22 2014, while Captain Marvel was announced October 28 2014.

It was especially funny considering there were fans who were clamoring for a Black Widow movie for years prior to that, and up until then Disney/Marvel’s response had been that it wasn’t feasible because the MCU was too carefully charted out to make changes like that.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Hot take; Black Widow is boring, ScarJo is exactly as bad as everyone says Brie Larson is, and every other female version of the MCU would make for a better solo movie than her.

I get that the whole idea is she is an original member and is the only one besides Hawkeye with one, but it would suck.