Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%

  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%

  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%

  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%

  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%
  • Total voters
    435
2odastream said:
Clark Glegg defending CM is so ironic. TBH I had to look up who he is, he played Agent Cookson who I thought was played by Kevin Spacy since they look the same - explains why Clark is also irrelevant and creepy looking
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The first time I saw him in anything was when he played a rapist that targeted old ladies on The Shield. Perfect casting, because he is a creepy, rapist-looking weirdo.
 
Coleman Francis said:
Wait, did anyone even pretend like this was gonna flop? It's another Marvel superhero movie, people eat that shit up.
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A week or so before it was released, people were going around saying that the tracking for opening weekend had dropped from $150 million to $80 million, claiming that this was the result of Brie Larson backlash. So they weren't necessarily saying that it would flop, but that it would severely underperform. The initial tracking that I had read had it pegged at $100-120 million, so I don't know where these people were getting their figures. And though it's possible that Disney used some creative accounting to keep the figure above $150 million, the amount they'd be using would be negligible. The people who were waiting for this movie to underperform are trying to move the goal post. It's the inverse of when the other side was trying to prove that Ghostbusters 2016 didn't really flop.
 
Someone in a Tree said:
A week or so before it was released, people were going around saying that the tracking for opening weekend had dropped from $150 million to $80 million, claiming that this was the result of Brie Larson backlash. So they weren't necessarily saying that it would flop, but that it would severely underperform. The initial tracking that I had read had it pegged at $100-120 million, so I don't know where these people were getting their figures. And though it's possible that Disney used some creative accounting to keep the figure above $150 million, the amount they'd be using would be negligible. The people who were waiting for this movie to underperform are trying to move the goal post. It's the inverse of when the other side was trying to prove that Ghostbusters 2016 didn't really flop.
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In fairness to them, they were sourcing one website that claimed it could open between 180-200 million (a retardedly inflated number), and then a week or so before debut, re-assessed it at 120-150, and concluded the drop from 200 mil to 120 mil was a pretty concrete evidence of her blabbering box office income away. Again, there was next to no real citation for why they thought people claimed it would be 200 mil and they kept sourcing an article from "CosmicBookNews", a OneAngryGamer tier website about comics and movies, so it just kind of went from there.

That said, they should have wised up to it when it became evident not many/anyone was actually claiming that first figure, but they were basing it on something.
 
As I said in my original post for the thread, it was going to make its own money back regardless of its quality. However, I'll be personally disappointed if MCU can just shit out a mediocre film that has to be propped up by a house pet's acting and yet it still outgrosses some of the better DC films like Wonder Woman.
 
Some more gems from my favorite alternate history forum that were in response to Bob Chipman's latest edition of The Big Picture, which Captain Marvel was the main topic.

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Thankfully, I don't waste my time posting on their boards (PROTIP: Do not mention Gamergate in even a neutral light unless you want to get banned), but I do get a laugh out of them sneering at fans over "entitlement." Nerd have long been the butt of jokes for the anal-retentive attention to detail/continuity and generally being unappeasable in mainstream culture. However, the "progressive" media is just as bad because they were shitting their collective pants over a gaggle of idiots who were complaining over Brie Larson saying something stupid, and gave Disney boatloads of free publicity to boot. It would not surprise me in the least that most of these people thought they were entitled to influence the direction of the MCU because they see themselves as being on, "the right side of history."

I'm all for expanding the fanbase because a franchise needs to bring in new fans to stay viable, but there is something to be said to be mindful of the fans that stuck with you before you became mainstream. Did it occur that maybe they want the film to be the best that it could be? My main takeaway from the reviews and opinions I've read on Captain Marvel is that it's formulaic and "okay" at best. It really felt that Marvel was coasting on this one because they knew that the film would make money anyway because of the pavlovian effect of their products. Is it really a BAD thing to demand more than mediocrity?

I would like to say that Marvel (and DC) could go back to a time before everything became so corporate-driven, but the the honest truth is that was the case with comics since they slapped the Superman logo on whatever they could find. Maybe in an age of increasing media consolidation it has grown more cynical with corporations believing that the audience will eat up whatever they drop on their plate. I've seen this attitude in comics since Joe Quesada's reign as editor-in-chief at Marvel. Creators have become pompous, condescending, and--dare I say it?--entitled pricks who believe they can sneer at their shrinking audience. This attitude can and has crossed over into other mediums and it's a slow-acting poison.

That Chris Guy said:
As I said in my original post for the thread, it was going to make its own money back regardless of its quality. However, I'll be personally disappointed if MCU can just shit out a mediocre film that has to be propped up by a house pet's acting and yet it still outgrosses some of the better DC films like Wonder Woman.
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I will be bold and claim that Wonder Woman is an objectively better film than Captain Marvel. Say what you want about Gal Gadot's acting prowess, but at least Diana HAD a character arc and growth in WW whereas Carol was a largely static character throughout from what I've gleaned.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
I will be bold and claim that Wonder Woman is an objectively better film than Captain Marvel. Say what you want about Gal Gadot's acting prowess, but at least Diana HAD a character arc and growth in WW whereas Carol was a largely static character throughout from what I've gleaned.
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Whilst I am going to wait until this film is on home media to view it all, that's also the general impression reviews have given me. The weakest part of Wonder Woman was its ending where the original villain's performance was good enough that the deception felt anticlimactic, and Diana had a Neo-like ending. The situations prior to that were extremely well-handled: the setting could easily have turned into HYDRA agents with ridiculous variations fighting a woman in tights under poor direction. As it was the film didn't demean any of its characters or plot for the sake of comedy and struck a nice balance between being both funny and thoughtful.

I also liked how Aquaman provided exposition with some very minute amounts of screentime. The montage where Black Manta takes the Atlantean gear and reverse-engineers it for his own needs demonstrated his intelligence in about 30 seconds and didn't involve some douchebag gushing to him about how he's, "THE SMARTEST GUY EVAR!!1" People looking to include smart, female characters in their movies should take note of this technique.
 
That Chris Guy said:
I also liked how Aquaman provided exposition with some very minute amounts of screentime. The montage where Black Manta takes the Atlantean gear and reverse-engineers it for his own needs demonstrated his intelligence in about 30 seconds and didn't involve some douchebag gushing to him about how he's, "THE SMARTEST GUY EVAR!!1" People looking to include smart, female characters in their movies should take note of this technique.
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Yeah earlier in the thread I think I refer to Aquaman as on the better side of average but over the past few days I've changed my mind to it being legitimately good. As long as it was and as many "standard" points it hit, it hit all of them well and nothing dragged or was dull.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
Motherfucking cunt bitch. A friend asked me if I wanted to see Captain Marvel on Friday. I was like 'Nah, I'm going to see Alita instead. But they've got same runtimes so we'll get out at the same time.' Guess what? Alita's on Thursday. My local theater pulled the movie out of the theater on Friday. Who the fuck ends a run on a Thursday? That's some fucking bullshit. Now I'm not going on fucking principle. Nearest theater that's playing Alita is like 20 minutes away. Nevermind most of the multiplexes in a 10-15 mile radius around still have it. Except mine, of course. Fuck. I do want to go to the movie with my friend, but I really can't stomach sitting through a 2 hour cringe and borefest over a character I've never actually liked with little to no connection to Infinity War except an end-credits stinger.

I hope your movie bombs, Brie, you cunt.



Yeah. I can't imagine they're happy about that one. Well, if he fucks up Endgame, he is Lucasing it.



That sounds pretty interesting, I'll have to check it out.
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I think the dichotomies wih other media from around now are way more interesting than the movie itself. Alita gives you a movie based on a comic with a strong female lead and, outside of the male lead being kinda miscast, is a good movie that gives fans and the general audience alike what they want in a movie like this. Devil May Cry 5 comes out on the same day as Captain for an irl Marvel vs Capcom after a decade of everyone thinking the franchise was deader than Rey and Finn’s personalities, to glowing critical and consumer reception. The most interesting thing I got from Captain Marvel was that Nick Fury is apparently from my hometown. That’s it.
 
Corypheus said:
I think the dichotomies wih other media from around now are way more interesting than the movie itself. Alita gives you a movie based on a comic with a strong female lead and, outside of the male lead being kinda miscast, is a good movie that gives fans and the general audience alike what they want in a movie like this. Devil May Cry 5 comes out on the same day as Captain for an irl Marvel vs Capcom after a decade of everyone thinking the franchise was deader than Rey and Finn’s personalities, to glowing critical and consumer reception. The most interesting thing I got from Captain Marvel was that Nick Fury is apparently from my hometown. That’s it.
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It isn't very good to be honest. It isn't The Last Jedi levels of awful or even Green Lantern, but you can only copy and paste the same movie so many times then give it a somewhat bitchy lead in the context of the film, then shoehorn in ways to make this character introduced in the 11th hour to be so important till I get to the point that I say, thank fuck that Endgame shall likely be the last proper MCU movie that I am invested in.
 
KillThemCrackasBabies said:
Yeah earlier in the thread I think I refer to Aquaman as on the better side of average but over the past few days I've changed my mind to it being legitimately good. As long as it was and as many "standard" points it hit, it hit all of them well and nothing dragged or was dull.
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I actually enjoyed Aquaman, even though I fully expected not to. The CGI was ass and the dialogue was hammy in some places, but the rest of it hit all the right notes. There was just enough origin story, action and morals to make it all work, and the only thing I found dumb was the remote detonator-looking object at the start that was pin-operated. Even the Trench were faithfully adapted, and that entire scene makes me wonder why we still can't make a good Alien movie.
 
TVBForever said:
Even though that controversy will be forgotten by a few weeks or so, he'll keep hammering down and beating that dead horse by the end of December.
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It's not just that these types of channels have posted multiple videos about Captain Marvel ... It's that these channels have posted multiple videos every day about this Captain Marvel for weeks now.
 
That Chris Guy said:
I actually enjoyed Aquaman, even though I fully expected not to. The CGI was ass and the dialogue was hammy in some places, but the rest of it hit all the right notes. There was just enough origin story, action and morals to make it all work, and the only thing I found dumb was the remote detonator-looking object at the start that was pin-operated. Even the Trench were faithfully adapted, and that entire scene makes me wonder why we still can't make a good Alien movie.
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I thought Aquaman was good and I actually enjoyed the hammy dialogue... The CGI was definitely meh, but I'm not fond of CGI effects in general these days. I also thought Wonder Woman was pretty good. It could've been better but certainly a million times better than BvS and Ms. Marvel, although the final battle with Ares (as well as his characterization and casting choice) could've been way better.

I still hope Captain Marvel/Shazam's actor doesn't do any other Brie-like stunts online and that his movie does justice to the legacy of his character as well as Brave and the Bold did, even if they no longer use his original name.
 
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