Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%
  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%
  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%
  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%

  • Total voters
    435
No, I want more Thor/Guardians stuff even if the likelihood of it isn't great.
I'd say most likely there is Chris Hemsworth doing a similar role to Anthony Hopkins's Odin as King Thor in a Valkryie vehicle. Because unlike Brie Larson, Tessa Thompson had charisma in the role.

I think there's gold to be had with some Spider-Man/Wolverine stuff, if they add mutants before the Sony deal ends and they lose the ability to use him.
This strikes me as optimistic. Wolverine needs to be retired from the big screen for awhile. Hugh Jackman is iconic in the role and is finished with it. Making more Wolverine movies runs the serious risk of having Batfleck follow Nolanbat all over again.
 
I saw it this weekend. I thought it was okay, not great. What was notable to me was how awful the music was, both the score and the use of '90s-era songs. And, being a pedantic nerd, it annoyed me that it used songs that came out after 1995.

As with the new Star Trek, the new Star Wars (especially TFA), and the female Ghostbusters, I'll probably hate it more the more time I have to think about it.
 
To comment on CM earning loads of money, that was a foregone conclusion even before the SJWs started screeching, and still a foregone conclusion once they did. The MCU has yet to produce a truly horrible film before this (and even CM wasn’t THAT horrible), and on the strength of good films that came before, there’s enough goodwill with the MCU among moviegoers that they’ll gladly go in blind to watch CM.

Second week ticket sales could be telling, but the real test for CM as a character who’ll carry the MCU after the OG Avengers have retired is if people will come out and watch a CM2 movie or any team-up where she shares top billing, after seeing how CM turned out and how she’ll be used in Endgame. But that would be years down the line.
 
Here's what else didn't matter: folks allegedly upset about Brie Larson's request for the press junket to be more diverse than normal
My impression is that most people mad at this are actually not opposed to the idea of advocating more "diverse" reviewers (if only cause they can disregard whoever they disagree with), but people do get kind of annoyed when this supposed drive for more diversity is always neatly packed into a "Fuck white dudes" rhetoric. Geez, I wonder why white males might not take too kindly to that.
 
I also feel it's a little disingenuous, because let's be honest, black reviewers and the like honestly don't take too kindly to white ladies. And even many women don't care for the type of Action Heroines Carol Danvers is- just many are off-put by capeshit and prefer romcoms or historical stuff.

EDIT: Is the Kamala Khan movie still in development? Because I can easily see that one bombing. I just don't see the international appeal in her, and her movie would probably only appeal to tumblrinos/blue checkmarks and Westernized muslims...(:_(
 
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If we’re being honest, I thought “Captain Marvel” was fine, often good. It’s a bummer in some sense, because if I liked it less, it’d help make my point a little bit easier. There are people, however, who do not like “Captain Marvel” for reasons valid and not. I say this because: I am dying for more mediocre movies to be fronted or made by women. Without them, there’s no way to guarantee more representation and equality — two things women (women of color especially) simply do not have. So if we want movies to get better for everyone, the playing field has to be leveled a bit, and that means I want a ton more totally fine, borderline bad, madly mediocre movies by and about women.

We live in a culture where female fronted/directed movies often stand out as objects of singularity. Just look at how we talk about films like “Marvel” and her ilk. The sheer lack of movies made by and about women forces each one onto a pedestal — the one film that must be 10 times greater than the average male-fronted movie, lest its creators and stars have their careers ruined because they couldn’t make The Perfect Female Movie.

This may be part of why so many are beating the “Captain Marvel” drum, even if they thought it was just okay. The anger with which some male fans react to projects like the all-female “Ghostbusters” makes it abundantly clear: Women doing things that fly in the face of patriarchal standards of femininity, or upend a previously standardized paradigm, make some men very angry. And the level of reaction isn’t just “I’m going to rate this poorly!” angry, it often escalates quickly to “I’m going to find your cell phone number and leave you voicemails that call you a c–t”-level enraged. And that simply is not a normal way to respond to a fictional narrative.

Look at how many mediocre — even downright bad — movies by and about men spawn sequels and lead to more jobs for their directors. And yet, not only aggressively loud avatars on social media but sometimes even creators and executives are heard voicing the line of thought: If you make a woman the star of a superhero or ghostbustin’ feature, an injustice in the universe has occurred.

Just look at how James Cameron responded to the praise around “Wonder Woman.” Back in 2017, Cameron declared that film “a step backwards” because Diana Prince was unattainably beautiful and, because she led with love, was too one-note. “Sarah Connor was not a beauty icon. She was strong, she was troubled, she was a terrible mother, and she earned the respect of the audience through pure grit. And to me, [the benefit of characters like Sarah] is so obvious. I mean, half the audience is female!” As if there is only one type of female character — determined and created by his eye — that is respectable, or good enough to exist. Or take the previous CEO of Marvel, Ike Perlmutter, who was outed in the Sony hack as believing all female-led superhero movies to be unsellable disasters.

And yet, Captain Marvel’s opening weekend box office was impressive: it made $455 million worldwide. It’s thrilling, and proof that the executives have been wrong all along. People are dying to see something different. Money talks, and many of us — men, women and everyone else — are more than happy to support a film with messaging beyond the norm if it shows the studio we want them to try more of this. We’re hungry for women to be the heroes of our own stories, supernaturally or not, to exhibit the strength we all know women have within us.

A particular subset of men online declare women-centered projects as proof PC culture has gone too far; they place blame on these “unrealistic female characters” as if men like Captain America, Thor, and Luke Skywalker don’t exist as an obvious counterpoints to criticism lobbed at Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and Rey. This has resulted in the harassment of female fans and the creators of these works. It makes some of us lose our cool because this conversation never seems to end.

And still, those in positions of power — the ones who could activate real change — brush off the harassment as merely strong opinions, easily dissuaded by a kind word or tweet. Because that so often works online. There’s a toxicity inherent to the way these responses continue to be validated and enabled through studio and creator responses; there’s power in the eyeroll of a powerful man. Just look at the history and impetusbehind Jason Reitman’s new “Ghostbusters.”

The even more enraging question is: How many men have built sustainable, consistent, and oftentimes successful careers after making a few movies critics and audiences didn’t like, and how many women have done the same? One infuriating example: Patty Jenkinsdirected the Oscar-winning “Monster” in 2003 and didn’t get the chance to direct another film again until…2017’s “Wonder Woman.”

In a smaller sense, there’s Rachel Talalay. As a director, she helmed “Freddy’s Dead: The Final Nightmare” and “Ghost in the Machine” in the early ’90s and “Tank Girl” in 1995, a wild and subversive comic book adaptation. It, because the puns just write themselves sometimes, truly tanked. And she hasn’t been hired to direct a movie (save a few made-for-TVers) since. Sure, Talalay, like Jenkins, has directed for television — several episodes to acclaim, and some of the biggest series out there in the world: “Doctor Who,” “Sherlock,” “Ally McBeal,” “Riverdale.” But has she been able to direct a big screen movie since? Nope. Talalay herself has been open about the hurdles she’s faced in her career in the past.

Theirs are just two easily identifiable stories from the last few years. Frankly, women are sick and tired of the disparity. It’s so bad that those in power don’t see that what they perceive to be filet mignon is actually barely crumbs. And it’s something this very loud current movement is hoping to bring to its natural conclusion. Because without letting mediocre and/or bad movies for/by/about women exist, we’re constantly setting ourselves and our audiences up for failure. This only changes if we let perfectly decent things by women exist and don’t punish them for it afterwards.

We have to be able to see and learn what works and what doesn’t and why: not just in theory on the page, but in actuality. It’s why failure has always been a vital cornerstone in the art of creation. It’s why, if you didn’t like “Captain Marvel,” I am especially talking to you. The trajectory of better characterization only comes off the backs of the works made before it, and if you only allow producer-and-data-driven-perfection to exist, you’re creating an unattainable measure to which all female creators and films are held. You’re still enabling the narrative that women have to be twice as good, all the time, to maybe get 1% of the pie. Whether you thought “Captain Marvel” or any of these movies was good, or even an affront, is entirely beside the point.

Women deserve an equal slice of the bad movies pie, too.

 
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A lot of words to say the above.
 
Tank Girl tanked Laurie Petty's career. What a clusterfuck the production of that film was.
As for the rest of the article, I am consistently amazed at the ability of these people to reassure their own delusions and never admit wrongdoing.
 
My impression is that most people mad at this are actually not opposed to the idea of advocating more "diverse" reviewers

I am, because the whole concept is fucking retarded. Brie Larsen's argument is that Rotten Tomatoes is too white. Rotten Tomatoes is an aggregator. It doesn't hire people to write reviews. Any jackass can start a blog or a youtube channel and get themselves on Rotten Tomatoes. Likewise, because its an aggregator, it makes hundreds of reviews accessible at a single website. Don't want to read a review by a white dude? Don't click on the white dude's review, you fucking idiot. Rotten Tomatoes even has a "My Critics" feature where you can choose which critics' reviews you want featured on the site. In other words, you can create a bubble where the only reviews you see are reviews written by "diverse" reviewers.

Don't find the professional reviewers section good enough? Well, then take a look at the audience reviews. Audience reviews can be written by anyone. Want a "diverse" person's take on a film? Go find a "diverse" person's audience review.

But even if we accept the premise that movie reviewers aren't "diverse" enough, here's the thing: professional movie reviews are an outdated concept. Complaining that there aren't enough black movie reviewers is like complaining that there aren't enough black typewriter repairmen. Most people don't get their movie recommendations from professional reviewers, but from their friends, people they follow on facebook/twitter/youtube, and advertisements. Heck, Ellen probably sold more tickets to Captain Marvel than 1000 professional reviewers.

At the end of the day the only people to whom professional reviewers matter are shallow, narcissistic cunts like Brie Larsen who just want to read praise about themselves.

tl;dr Brie Larsen is an idiot
 
They act like women have the market cornered on not being given a second chance...when there's loads more talented male directors who've also had their careers wrecked for similar reasons. Also, being a television director isn't exactly a stigma anymore considering how some shows are even better than movies.

This article wouldn't even exist if Captain Marvel didn't make that much bank at the box office, so they should quit with the fake humblebragging.
 
Women deserve an equal slice of the bad movies pie, too.

When the cultural Marxism is so strong that you aspire for your tribe to have shares even in the things that aren't great.

Two years from now they'll be crowing about how much women are underrepresented in the perpetration of rape and other violent crimes, and how bad it is that women aren't committing more sexual assaults.

A particular subset of men online declare women-centered projects as proof PC culture has gone too far; they place blame on these “unrealistic female characters” as if men like Captain America, Thor, and Luke Skywalker don’t exist as an obvious counterpoints to criticism lobbed at Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and Rey. This has resulted in the harassment of female fans and the creators of these works. It makes some of us lose our cool because this conversation never seems to end.

Jesus Christ, this paragraph. How can something exist as a counterpoint when the supposed counterpoint was created first? That doesn't work in the Thor/Wonder Woman example but that just leads me to ask whether the writer knows the first thing about what they're talking about (they don't, they just picked out two other recent, recognizable comic heroes).

All those supposed points and counterpoints were created by men. You're welcome.

And the never-ending conversation that has their jimmies all a-rustled? It's only their side that keeps bringing it up. Everyone else wants to go back to having fun. They've got to be the ones acting like the spinster schoolmarm slapping everyone's desk with the yardstick to remind us that enjoyment of our media can only ever be secondary to appreciating how close it matches their arbitrary idea of a cultural utopia.
 
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To comment on CM earning loads of money, that was a foregone conclusion even before the SJWs started screeching, and still a foregone conclusion once they did. The MCU has yet to produce a truly horrible film before this (and even CM wasn’t THAT horrible), and on the strength of good films that came before, there’s enough goodwill with the MCU among moviegoers that they’ll gladly go in blind to watch CM.

Second week ticket sales could be telling, but the real test for CM as a character who’ll carry the MCU after the OG Avengers have retired is if people will come out and watch a CM2 movie or any team-up where she shares top billing, after seeing how CM turned out and how she’ll be used in Endgame. But that would be years down the line.
Also, CM2 will no longer have "First Female Led MCU Superhero movie" to use to hype itself with.
 
For years there have been men saying "this film is average not great", but when they say it they're called misogynerds. How are you ever supposed to be on the right side of history if sometimes it's okay for a women-made film to have less than 100% on rotten tomatoes and sometimes it's the worst thing ever and they won't tell you which is when?
 
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