Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%

  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%

  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%

  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%

  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%
  • Total voters
    435
After seeing the movie, I have to bring this up:

There are two aspects to Carol Danver's character that could have made her both a tragic character and one that seeks redemption.

Okay, so she had her memory erased and was forced to fight for the Kree. There are a couple of things to cover here. First of all, she was essentially a prisoner for 6 years. She was brainwashed into fighting for a group of evil aliens and undoubtedly performed acts that her former self would be opposed to. So shouldn't she feel some sort of anguish over her lost memories? When all is revealed that they did this too her, shouldn't she be crushed by the revelation? Well, she's not. She just switches sides and acts the exact same way she's been acting the entire film. She's just shooting with the green guys instead of against them.

And second, as a brainwashed tool for the evil aliens, I have to ask, how many innocents did she kill? How many unfortunate souls had their lives ended because of her? I mean...she's got blood on her hands, right? Just because they gloss over it doesn't mean that she wasn't a hitman for the intergalactic bad guys for six freaking years! Hell, Star Force is shown working for Ronan, who was shown to be a blood thirsty killer in Guardians of the Galaxy. He ordered his troops to kill people quite a bit, so I have no doubt that she killed innocent people during that time. Shouldn't that give her some kind of a redemption arc where she has to make up for the sins she committed while working for the bad guys? Well, yeah, she helps the Skrulls, but she doesn't really do it out of guilt, but because the Kree fucked her too and I guess because it's the right thing to do. And now that I think about it, shouldn't the other good guys (Skrull, Fury, etc.) be wary of her knowing that she worked for said bad guys? Shouldn't she have to earn their trust rather than the other way around?

Now I'm going to make a comparison to Superman here. One of my all time favorite Superman stories actually happened in the animated series from the 90s, and it was the two part series finale. In the two parter, Superman is brainwashed by Darkseid and has his memories wiped. He is led to believe that he is both Darkseid's son and his greatest general. Darkseid gives Superman an army to conquer Earth, moreso as an elaborate way to destroy Superman's reputation (he even gives Superman banners with the classic "S" logo on it to lead the army). Superman eventually gets his memories back, ,but not before leading an invasion of Earth and losing the trust of everyone. And angered, saddened, and humiliated Superman then goes to Apokolips to beat the ever living crap out of Darkseid out of both vengeance and to redeem himself.

So if Superman, the character often derided for being too powerful and too perfect, can be brought down to such a low that he is angered and humiliated by his foe, why not Captain Marvel? As is, she doesn't really overcome anything. She just kicks ass and make quips at every turn and when she switches sides, she just does the same thing to the other side but with no inner reflection or emotion to drive her actions.
 
That Chris Guy said:
I don't read Marvel Comics anymore: the entire Marvel NOW! line made it clear to me that reading them is more painful than satisfying.

That being said, I want to find the 3 or 4 panels where Hydra Cap assblasted Captain Marvel and some other lady over going straight back to the idiotic shit they were doing in Civil War 2 immediately following its conclusion. Nick Spencer (not exactly the best of writers) was trying to prelude to Secret Empire and make Captain America out to be an emerging villain, but to any remotely sane mind he was making perfect sense in his criticisms.
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Sometimes I think Nick Spencer was just trolling people. A notable example is that Red Skull scene that always gets passed around. You had people freaking out that "Marvel's saying national sovereignty is evil!" and people going "Ha, this is just like those evil alt-righters to buy into Nazi speak!"......meanwhile in context, Red Skull is just playing to the crowd to recruit some mooks.

Now on the subject of Civil War 2, yeah, no idea how it was approved but that's a dead horse.
 
damian said:
I'm physically getting tired of how much Rotten Tomatoes protects Captain Marvel:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Buj0ufWtjno
TLDR - RT, after deleting 54K reviews that barely changed the Audience Score (32% to 34%), now has >10k new reviews inflating the score up to 50%.
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What the fuck is going on at RT with this movie? (From most recent to oldest):
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This has to be one of the most archived pages on the internet. http://archive.fo/https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel
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I'm just amused that RT is willing to trash its perceived objectivity for a couple of shekels from Disney. On Disney's part, is it even worth it? The bigger battle for profitability will be in the subsequent weeks when people have already taken recommendations from friends and family, more so than some random audience score. I mean, sure, it's mighty cheap for Disney (loose change on the couch for them) to pay RT soyboys to rig reviews, but the bigger damage has already been done, and it's by the movie itself.

Normies probably won't notice it, though, and will continue to use the site, but I do hope it shifts some people over to Metacritic, at least.
 
They would've been better off making a Captain Marvel movie after Endgame with the Rusos or not making one at all. We didn't need to know her origin if you wanted her in your film unless the rumors about her being the Ex Machina for Endgame are true (in which case lol), I mean Black Panther appeared years before he got his own movie, same with Black Widow. Hell, Hawkeye's movie might never even happen despite being a major player yet they still worked him in fine.
Miang said:
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Okay. It's just getting creepy now.
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Geez Smith, get a grip. They did a Mallrats joke, we get it, but you don't have to turn your tears into some kind of award for a movie, especially when a lot of media references you and your films all the time (that and that you seem to bawl at everything these days). Also after the weight loss, his crying face just looks creepy.

StarkRavingMad said:
I pray that Disney isn't tacky enough to CGI the poor man for future Marvel movies, but I wouldn't put it past them.
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I remember reading an article on the shitfest that is Dorkly a few years back that revealed that Disney had made a scan of Stan's head for the perfect 3D model of his image that they could possibly use in future movies if he should die, which the article's writer and the people in the fucking comments were actually celebrating. If those fuckers know any better, they better not use that head.

GrungyLawnChlorinate said:
There's this EVS video that shows the user review rocketing up with fake reviews after the mass deletion earlier today:

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WTF! CREEPY CAPTAIN MARVEL BOTS SPAM ROTTEN TOMATOES WITH IDENTICAL FAKE POSITIVE REVIEWS!

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But when I hit up rt just now the missing user reviews have returned:


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Oh, the return of the reviews was brief, now back down to again, just a minute later:
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They are actively rigging this as we speak it seems. They still have the missing reviews, not deleted, just hidden, while that user score is being gamed. The user review score has went up by more than 2000 in 45 minutes.
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damian said:
I'm physically getting tired of how much Rotten Tomatoes protects Captain Marvel:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Buj0ufWtjno
TLDR - RT, after deleting 54K reviews that barely changed the Audience Score (32% to 34%), now has >10k new reviews inflating the score up to 50%.
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What the fuck is going on at RT with this movie? (From most recent to oldest):
http://archive.fo/UdLVZ - 9 Mar 2019 05:50:12 UTC
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http://archive.fo/LiNaP - 9 Mar 2019 05:40:37 UTC
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http://archive.fo/23NPI - 9 Mar 2019 05:31:16 UTC
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http://archive.fo/z3DNY - 9 Mar 2019 04:05:11 UTC
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http://archive.fo/6EnVc - 9 Mar 2019 01:34:14 UTC
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http://archive.fo/YkRiK - 9 Mar 2019 01:25:31 UTC
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http://archive.fo/6keVB - 9 Mar 2019 00:56:50 UTC
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This has to be one of the most archived pages on the internet. http://archive.fo/https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel
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RT has no fucking shame.
 
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Mr Snek said:
I'm quite impressed by the sheer amount of effort going into advertising this film. Without getting into details, I'm currently in a town of about 100,000 people in Australia and there are ads for Marvel everywhere. Every TV in every shop is playing ads for it and even small time cafes and restaurants have posters up. I've never seen this level of advertising before.
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I've seen that too! I might go see the movie, but only because it's a superhero movie and I know I'm going to see it regardless.
 
Meh. I liked it but my standards for movies aren't that high. I thought Robin Hood was pretty average, and that won a Razzie nomination. It takes a lot for me to hate a movie.

Then again, I didn't hate Man of Steel or BvS either, so take my opinion for what's it's worth. I think I've only hated a movie I saw in theaters three times: the Rollerball remake, Suicide Squad, and the Fantastic Four reboot. Everything else I don't think I'll like I just avoid outright.

Edit: I take that back. The Robocop remake was the worst movie I've ever seen made in my lifetime. So that's four.
 
Salubrious said:
Meh. I liked it but my standards for movies aren't that high. I thought Robin Hood was pretty average, and that won a Razzie nomination. It takes a lot for me to hate a movie.
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We hear this same sentiment every time a much maligned movie is released.

My take is that the more superhero films there are, the less likely I am to care about ones that rate as "okay" and "fine." Its Disney. Of course there's going to be a minimum level of competence put into their films. Is "minimum competence" enough to get my butt into a theater? Fuck no. I want to be surprised. I want to be delighted. I want to see something I've never seen before. At the end of the day Captain Marvel is nothing more than MCU template film #20.
 
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10,000 more in last hour or so , earning it another percentage point of positivity.

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Looks like user reviews on Metacritic for Captain Marvel are being hidden. They're still there if you click through to the 'no reviews yet' spot. They were showing earlier this morning, but have since disappeared front the main Captain Marvel page. User reviews for other movies are not effected, so not a system-wide glitch.
 
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Looks like Captain Marvel is tracking towards a $160 million opening (Of course, the media has to take a dig at trolls.)

I don't know why this perturbs me as it's just another boilerplate Marvel film. Maybe it's because I'm a DC fanboy that's ass-hurt that it looks like it will outperform (at least out the gate) Wonder Woman, or perhaps it's my dismay over the polarized state of popular culture, or a combination of both.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
Looks like Captain Marvel is tracking towards a $160 million opening (Of course, the media has to take a dig at trolls.)

I don't know why this perturbs me as it's just another boilerplate Marvel film. Maybe it's because I'm a DC fanboy that's ass-hurt that it looks like it will outperform (at least out the gate) Wonder Woman, or perhaps it's my dismay over the polarized state of popular culture, or a combination of both.
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Let’s also remember that it could see a second weekend drop.
 
https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/0...brianna-wu-government-legislation-technology/

U.S. Congressional Candidate Calls for Government Legislation in Response to Internet Trolls Attacking ‘Captain Marvel’

By Cameron Bonomolo - March 7, 2019

U.S. congressional candidate Brianna Wu says the government has a role to play in the fight against Internet trolls, a stance inspired in part by the backlash against Marvel Studios’ female-led Captain Marvel.
“It’s kind of a familiar story at this point, right? We were here with Ghostbusters — it seems like any time a woman steps forward and tries to put her toe in the water for a male-dominated field, we’re right back here. It’s so frustrating,” Wu said on Bloomberg Technology, citing the controversy that surrounded Paul Feig’s all-female Ghostbusters reboot.

Asked by host Emily Chang if social media sites like Facebook and Twitter are doing enough to curb trolls and harassment even amid a shift toward privacy, Wu said she “absolutely” believes it’s a gendered issue, adding, “It affects men too, for sure.”

When asked if legislation needs to be introduced to better control online hostilities, Wu answered, “I think that there is certainly a role in Washington for us to address what women face both in the tech industry, and what users face on the other side.”

“Something we’ve seen is really big promises from Facebook, from Twitter, from Reddit, from all these companies, that they’re going to address this situation,” Wu added.

“For me, looking at this in 2019, it’s very hard for me to point to one thing that has concretely changed for women in the tech industry, so I do think Washington has a role to play.

Prompted to describe what this legislation could look like, Wu pointed to the self-regulated video game industry.

“I think it starts with letting these companies know that Washington is going to take it seriously,” Wu said.

“In the video game industry, famously, they held hearings about violence in the ‘90s, and then the video game industry looked at it and said, ‘If we don’t get serious about this, they’re going to regulate our field.’ And then our industry formed the ESRB and self-regulated, and it works amazingly well. What I think will happen is if you have people in Washington sitting on the Science, Space and Technology subcommittee looking at this, that that threat of real legislation coming down the pipe will cause these companies to finally do the right thing.”

Disney-owned Marvel Studios’ first female-led superhero movie was targeted on Rotten Tomatoes, where review bombers dropped its anticipation rating to the lowest of any Marvel Cinematic Universe entry. Its abuse resulted in the complete removal of the feature.

Despite the online pushback facing Captain Marvel, the Brie Larson and Samuel L. Jackson starrer is eyeing a $350 million global opening weekend.

Captain Marvel releases to theaters tonight. Larson next returns in Avengers: Endgame, out April 26.

 
The only positives about the post credits scene are:


- Captain Marvel won't have some "SUPER BADAZZ" entrance scene to introduce herself in Endgame

- Brie Larson's acting is better than the entire movie (saw it pirated)
 
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