Culture JDS Megathread - Jussay Smollett files fake hate crime report and doesn't get away with it lol

'Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime
By Sandra Gonzalez, CNN

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...tertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html

“Empire" actor Jussie Smollett was attacked in the early morning hours on Tuesday in what Chicago police are calling a possible hate crime.

Smollett was attacked by two people "yelling out racial and homophobic slurs" and "poured an unknown chemical substance on the victim," police said.

According to police, one of Smollett's alleged attackers also put a rope around his neck. Both fled the scene.

Smollett took himself to Northwestern Hospital and "is in good condition," police told CNN.

Later Tuesday, CNN's Don Lemon spoke to Smollett and a mutual friend who was at the hospital with the actor. Smollett confirmed the incident took place.

He was shaken and angry that an attack like this could happen. Smollett told CNN he fought back at the attackers.

"Given the severity of the allegations, we are taking this investigation very seriously and treating it as a possible hate crime," the police statement said.

Smollett has starred on Fox's "Empire" since 2015. He plays Jamal, a successful singer in the musical Lyon family. Like his character, Smollett identifies as gay.

"We are deeply saddened and outraged to learn that a member of our 'Empire' family, Jussie Smollett, was viciously attacked last night," a representative of 20th Century Fox Television and Fox Entertainment said in a statement to CNN. "We send our love to Jussie, who is resilient and strong, and we will work with law enforcement to bring these perpetrators to justice. The entire studio, network and production stands united in the face of any despicable act of violence and hate -- and especially against one of our own."

A representative for GLAAD told CNN the organization has reached out Smollett to offer assistance and support.

"Jussie is a true champion for LGBTQ people and is beloved by the community and allies around the world," a GLAAD spokesperson said in a statement.

Anyone with information is asked to call Area Central Detectives at 312-747-8382

 

[W00K #17]

So, like are we talking a little tabasco bottle or a bigger sriracha bottle? The public deserves to know.

Costco franks.

 

[queue-anon]

I think nobody knows if it was bleach, the report just said "chemical" and everyone assumed bleach. Could be a coca cola for all we know. If I was going to attack someone why would I throw bleach at them? Why not acid?

The Post article where they claimed to have found the bottle said that the liquid smelled like bleach. Although it's entirely possible that Smollett dumped some other liquid on himself and planted the bleach later.

And when considering an attacker's other options, hot sauce itself could do some damage especially if you get it in the person's face.

 

[Flexo]

You're probably right, but I'm really hating this faulty memory bullshit. That's a common reaction, but it's still a minority. Powerleveling, but I killed someone, still have PTSD many years later from it, was charged, went to court, and was scared shitless my memory was wrong because of exactly what you're asserting.

I drew pictures, drew the layout, wrote dozens of pages of my description of what happened. Between multiple (meaning between 4 and 12 people at any given moment at different phases of the event) and video footage, I had it exactly right. Not a single cop involved was even close. The judge even laughed at one cop for being so off base from what ten other people just described in the exact same way, and he testified to something that I'm almost certain was a completely different event, and one cop refused to testify, but the crown didn't push it, since it was clear the cop would have hurt their case.

You make small mistakes in memory, like "he grabbed my right arm" rather than left. Or "it lasted about thirty minutes" and it was seven. Or in my case, I completely forgot about spitting in someone's face, but when it came out at trial, I remembered it actually did happen. It took several people corroborating to assure myself I wasn't being suggestible, but I don't buy that people are THAT suggestible... especially having gone through it and still being bang on, despite severe PTSD from it all.

For sure that shit happens, where memories are completely recreated, but I don't buy that shit for a second as a default.

And that shit, when it's legitimate PTSD, that attitude of how malleable remembrance is, undermines the legitimacy. Blasey-Ford, for instance. She seemed credible on the surface, but I guarantee if you have the memory of only having one beer, you would remember where you were. Traumatic amnesia isn't retroactive. She was a fraud, clearly. Very clearly. A friend of mine is a therapist, and she said she had to stop watching that tstimony, because it was so obviously manufactured, and she sees a couple of people a week trying the same thing just to get on disability.

If Adams experienced that, it either wasn't at all traumatic, and his own self-aggrandizing narrative carried his awareness, or he is highly suggestible and manipulatible.

Anyhow. My shit had a media ban, and it was pre-Internet, so apologies if this is powerleveling, but I think it's not.

Not to mention that technology is becoming increasingly malleable too. You really want to set evidence to a standard that could be edited?

I do sometimes wonder how much might be a factor of modern circumstances. With semi-realistic effects on a visual screen, more "hard drive" space taken up by increasing tech in surroundings and complexity, maybe modern humans are "offloading" their memory efforts onto their devices. I'd like to see memory studies involving the Amish or other, more primitive cultures to see if there's any variance. Like if you don't have to worry about literacy and the images you see every day are crude and simplistic, does the memory recall improve or remain the same? Could be some interesting finds there.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Just getting shadier and shadier.

 

[NSFW]

Riiiiight....the easiest way to douse your victim in chemicals is by using a hot sauce bottle that dispenses one measly drop for every five shakes.

 

[KerryDixon9]

You're very irrationally angry over something that happens regularly, in many avenues, when entities want information released to the public without doing so directly. Leaks have always happened and always will happen and hollering that things shouldn't be such is screaming into the void.

Also assuming it's only low-level members of the CPD leaking is folly. It's just as likely to be someone much higher up or acting on orders from such.

In most of these situations leaks will be breaking the law. You might not think that police breaking the law is a big deal, I think people who are given guns and powers to uphold the law should abide by the law as well.

I'd also point to the CovCath incident as an example why the police shouldn't be using the media to spin narratives when they don't have evidence that is usable in court. If the cops have a case they should be proving it in court, they shouldn't be settling for damaging people's reputations in the press or social media.

And that shit, when it's legitimate PTSD, that attitude of how malleable remembrance is, undermines the legitimacy. Blasey-Ford, for instance. She seemed credible on the surface, but I guarantee if you have the memory of only having one beer, you would remember where you were. Traumatic amnesia isn't retroactive. She was a fraud, clearly. Very clearly. A friend of mine is a therapist, and she said she had to stop watching that tstimony, because it was so obviously manufactured, and she sees a couple of people a week trying the same thing just to get on disability.

Unlike you and your therapist expert, I'm not sure whether CBF was making up shit or she was just telling the truth about an incident from decades ago. IMO it's perfectly understandable that CBF didn't remember the details surrounding that incident for the simple reason that the incident was so fucking minor.

IMO even if CBF was telling the truth the incident she described was so minor that it should have been ignored anyway. CBF claims that she thought BK might accidentally kill her and he was attempting to rape her and maybe those thoughts were totally accurate but she was just wrong, she was simply a drunken grope victim who thought something else was happening when it blatantly wasn't.

CBFs testimony was of a minor groping that has happened a billion times on this planet. But there are probably millions of people who passionately believe that CBFs account was a credible rape claim and that BK is a rapist who got off with it. That wasn't what CBF said, but it is what millions of people think they heard.

If Adams experienced that, it either wasn't at all traumatic, and his own self-aggrandizing narrative carried his awareness, or he is highly suggestible and manipulatible.

Adams was just pointing out that people's memories are utterly shit and there are lots of things that you think you remember properly when you don't.

Or in my case, I completely forgot about spitting in someone's face, but when it came out at trial, I remembered it actually did happen. It took several people corroborating to assure myself I wasn't being suggestible, but I don't buy that people are THAT suggestible... especially having gone through it and still being bang on, despite severe PTSD from it all.

Dude, really think about what you've written there.

You completely forgot about spitting in someone's face. One person will have said you did it and then a bunch of other people have backed them up.

You've then accepted that you've done it.

The simple fact is that you don't know whether you spat in someone's face or not. You've accepted that you spat in someone's face because a group of people said you did and you're still insisting that this is your memory and not you being suggestible.

 

[TowinKarz]

All it's going to take is one major media outlet to say "Look, he hoaxed it, or at least it didn't happen the way he described it and he's embellishing tripping in the snow for free PR" and everyone is going to jump on that and say "Yeah, we always thought it was fishy" and once the media no longer back the narrative, the police would be free to say "Retract your bullshit story right now and apologize for wasting our time or we charge you".

But in the socjus era, nobody wants to be the first out of the trench and take the bullet marked "Racist"

 

[Pargon]

In most of these situations leaks will be breaking the law. You might not think that police breaking the law is a big deal, I think people who are given guns and powers to uphold the law should abide by the law as well.

You're making a tremendous assumption. I also think you're confusing laws with interdepartmental regulations. Please point to one example of a law barring an LEO from speaking to the press on the details of a case.

I'd also point to the CovCath incident as an example why the police shouldn't be using the media to spin narratives when they don't have evidence that is usable in court. If the cops have a case they should be proving it in court, they shouldn't be settling for damaging people's reputations in the press or social media.

The two are not remotely related. In no way is law enforcement involved in the Covington matter (at least until they forcibly drag Kathy Griffin's shrieking ass into a courtroom). Also, how do you know what evidence the CPD does and does not have? The latest is that Smollett surrendered his phone on the 5th, and we just learned that he did so yesterday. I fail to see how updating the public on a matter with a great deal of media attention and public scrutiny does more than convey the message that they're taking the issue seriously and examining all facts before proceeding, which is precisely how they should be acting, the resulting BLM hysterics notwithstanding.

 

[Slowboat to China]

So wait, the MAGA ninjas were prepared to the point that they concealed the bleach in a hot sauce bottle? That means this was a premeditated crime. Which also means they hung around outside at 2 AM in a deep freeze, somehow knowing their target would go out for a sandwich at that particular time? And the bottle was still there afterwards despite a week and change of deep winter, including snow and ice?

Hmmm.

 

[Clem Fandango]

So wait, the MAGA ninjas were prepared to the point that they concealed the bleach in a hot sauce bottle? That means this was a premeditated crime. Which also means they hung around outside at 2 AM in a deep freeze, somehow knowing their target would go out for a sandwich at that particular time? And the bottle was still there afterwards despite a week and change of deep winter, including snow and ice?

Hmmm.

Hey if Hillary carries a bottle of hot sauce around in her purse I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that a couple of hardcore MAGA guys might carry around a handy dandy disguised bottle of bleach with them. Never know when it's going to be lynchin' time in the windy city, and you don't want to be caught unprepared!

 

[Flexo]

IMO even if CBF was telling the truth the incident she described was so minor that it should have been ignored anyway. CBF claims that she thought BK might accidentally kill her and he was attempting to rape her and maybe those thoughts were totally accurate but she was just wrong, she was simply a drunken grope victim who thought something else was happening when it blatantly wasn't.

Part of the issue at the hearing is that she kept talking about it being so traumatic for her that she couldn't even do things like get on a plane (please ignore all those flight records).

Your statement just goes to show how screwed up all that was because whether it was actually minor or not, she sold it as major.

The simple fact is that you don't know whether you spat in someone's face or not. You've accepted that you spat in someone's face because a group of people said you did and you're still insisting that this is your memory and not you being suggestible.

Automatic responses can be engaged without conscious effort, it's called reflexes. My buddy will talk about once during his martial arts days he was sparing with someone and suddenly heard "point!" as well as being complimented by his opponent who was shaking their head. Apparently he had just executed a flawless kick to the guy's face during a brief opening - and my buddy hadn't realized it, didn't even know it had happened.

(Note that this is what comes up when we get into police shootings - rounds can be squeezed off in a fraction of a second without conscious thought.)

 

[TowinKarz]

Also carry some cheap clothesline with you, but don't tie a noose in it beforehand, the perfect time to do that is when you're trying to subdue a guy outside in twenty below temperatures, where gloves or bare numbed hands are perfect for the job of tying small-diameter nylon rope.

 

[OttoWest]

The hot sauce bleach bottle is probably totally unconnected and just some dumb junkie’s needle cleaner he tossed out.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

All it's going to take is one major media outlet to say "Look, he hoaxed it, or at least it didn't happen the way he described it and he's embellishing tripping in the snow for free PR" and everyone is going to jump on that and say "Yeah, we always thought it was fishy" and once the media no longer back the narrative, the police would be free to say "Retract your bullshit story right now and apologize for wasting our time or we charge you".

Its likely that police have interviewed Jussie multiple times and have given him ample opportunity to clarify his account or walk back some of his claims. Heck, even the request for Jussie's phone records is one of those instances where police gave Jussie the opportunity to come clean and be honest. Instead, Jussie gave them incomplete records. You know for a fact that if this ever comes to prosecution, the prosecutor is going to use Jussie's selective cooperation to show that he was intentionally being deceptive and lying to the police.

 

[Man of the Sea]

His twitter activity is also dead right now. Last retweet was two weeks ago, so there's that as well. Kind of suspicious especially since the guy regularly tweeted before this incident.

 

[Safir]

His twitter activity is also dead right now. Last retweet was two weeks ago, so there's that as well. Kind of suspicious especially since the guy regularly tweeted before this incident.

He's traumatized by the incident. Have some sympathy.

 

[Commander X]

WE GOT PHONE RECORDS

https://pagesix.com/2019/02/11/jussie-smollett-finally-turns-phone-records-over-to-cops/

https://www.thewrap.com/jussie-smollett-turns-over-limited-and-redacted-phone-records-police-say/

They'd have long, long since pressed charges on you or I for this obvious hoax.

 

[JohnDoe]

They'd have long, long since pressed charges on you or I for this obvious hoax.

It's called the bigotry of low standards. You can't expect a person of color to have the self control or morality of a white person, so hold them to a lower standard! Aww, look, they think they're people!

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

 

[Puddleduck]

I think the most likely scenario is that he was shoved to the ground by someone in passing, and everything else was elaborated by him for oppression points.