UN Venezuela Megathread - Mercenaries 2 references galore! Cubanodun is MVP

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It would be fucking amazing if Trump started doing this to every crackpot dictatorship we deal with. Like Saudi Arabia, South Africa, other shitholes with their little shitheel Napoleon wannabes. Embargoes, trade sanctions, military exercises in the neighboring seas. If we're going to have this much muscle, both economic and militaristic, we should flex a bit. No war if it can be avoided, but at least a good ass-fucking in the form of economic sanctions.
 
Wikileaks is actively defending Maduro right now on Twitter

https://twitter.com/wikileaks

Wikileaks is stating all US presence (the embassies) 72 hours from now would be considered illegal occupations of the country:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1088253112895397888

Wikileaks is equating Juan Guaido to Nancy Pelosi in terms of interim president legitimacy:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1088237745678503936

Except under the presidential rules of succession, after the President and Vice President isn't the speaker of the House of Representatives next up, so that's not entirely wrong...
 
This just occurred to me, since Maduro is aching to go to war with a neighboring country and they have insane inflation to the point you literally have to transport cash in a wheelbarrow, wouldn't that technically make him Hitler 2.0?

Venezuela is not in a condition to go to war with anyone. Maduro can dream of invading the Guyanas or Colombia or whatever country he wants but his military power is utterly broken, the economy has collapsed completely a long time ago and has no resources to even keep his civilian population fed. The only reason he's still in power is because of his police force. He has no popular support whatsoever, that's all a lie.

You would be surprised how easy is for a band of criminals to take over a latin american country. You just need to seize the presidential chair and keep a couple of million people under the state payroll and that's it. Bonus points if you use some ancient ideology based of fear mongling the power of the USA to your advantage. If you make the entire country poor but you make your political forces become the new upper class, they'll defend you to the bitter end.
 
Venezuela is not in a condition to go to war with anyone. Maduro can dream of invading the Guyanas or Colombia or whatever country he wants but his military power is utterly broken, the economy has collapsed completely a long time ago and has no resources to even keep his civilian population fed. The only reason he's still in power is because of his police force. He has no popular support whatsoever, that's all a lie.

So... he's Kim Jong-Un 2.0.
 
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Don't piss off the Colombians!
They got pissed off, so the Venezuelans got pissed on.
 
Hopefully never because the record for successful US facilitated regime changes are 0 - 4

What is: Panama, Grenada, Egypt (1952), Egypt (2013), Greece, Chile...

Just because some of the people the US placed into power were brutal autocrats doesn't mean it wasn't by design.

Venezuela is not in a condition to go to war with anyone. Maduro can dream of invading the Guyanas or Colombia or whatever country he wants but his military power is utterly broken, the economy has collapsed completely a long time ago and has no resources to even keep his civilian population fed. The only reason he's still in power is because of his police force. He has no popular support whatsoever, that's all a lie.

You would be surprised how easy is for a band of criminals to take over a latin american country. You just need to seize the presidential chair and keep a couple of million people under the state payroll and that's it. Bonus points if you use some ancient ideology based of fear mongling the power of the USA to your advantage. If you make the entire country poor but you make your political forces become the new upper class, they'll defend you to the bitter end.

It's also important to note that Chavez seized all privately owned firearms over a decade ago under the guise of "sate security," but stuffed them in military armories instead of destroying them, and when all of this started to pop off, Maduro started handing out all of those stockpiled civilian firearms to impromptu loyalist militias. The civilians have literally no way to fight back unless Uncle Sam starts up Iran-Contra 2: Vuvuzelan boogaloo, which is why there hasn't been a civil war yet.

Edit: It was like 7 years ago and done by Maduro. Same shit, different toilet.
 
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It's also important to note that Chavez seized all privately owned firearms over a decade ago under the guise of "sate security," but stuffed them in military armories instead of destroying them, and when all of this started to pop off, Maduro started handing out all of those stockpiled civilian firearms to impromptu loyalist militias. The civilians have literally no way to fight back unless Uncle Sam starts up Iran-Contra 2: Vuvuzelan boogaloo, which is why there hasn't been a civil war yet.

Do you have a source for that? I know it's a little ironic coming from me...
 
Here's my prediction.

The deadline passes, the diplomats stay put. Maduro tells them to fuck off again. The Diplomats say no. Maduro tries to remove them by force. Guns loaned to rebel groups by CIA. Coalition formed. US navy sails close to the coast with back up from British Carribbean assets. Maduro still pushes. Couple of missiles land just outside targets in Caracas (exact same place like the British did to the Argentinians during the Falklands) and Trump tweets something to the effect of 'lol do you want me to continue faggot?'

Maduro steps down.
 
Do you have a source for that? I know it's a little ironic coming from me...

There was an article specifically talking about it a couple years ago, but I can't seem to find it, here is what I currently have. There's a lot of fluff so I'll just post what I think is relevant.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelans-regret-gun-prohibition-we-could-have-defended-ourselves
Under the direction of then-President Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan National Assembly in 2012 enacted the “Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law,” with the explicit aim to “disarm all citizens.” The law took effect in 2013, with only minimal pushback from some pro-democracy opposition figures, banned the legal commercial sale of guns and munitions to all - except government entities...

Chavez initially ran a months-long amnesty program encouraging Venezuelans to trade their arms for electrical goods. That year, there were only 37 recorded voluntary gun surrenders, while the majority of seizures - more than 12,500 – were by force...

Much of the crime has been attributed by analysts to government-backed gangs – referred to in Spanish as “collectivos” – who were deliberately put in place by the government.

“They were set up by the government to act as proxies and exert community control. They're the guys on the motorcycles in the poor neighborhoods, who killed any protesters,” said Vanessa Neumann, the Venezuelan-American president and founder of Asymmetrica, a Washington, D.C.-based political risk research and consulting firm. “The gun reform policy of the government was about social control. As the citizenry got more desperate and hungry and angry with the political situation, they did not want them to be able to defend themselves. It was not about security; it was about a monopoly on violence and social control.”

So while Venezuelan citizens were stripped of their legal recourse to bear arms, the “collectivos” – established by Chavez when came to power – were legally locked and loaded. Deemed crucial to the survival of the socialist dictatorship, the “collectivos” function to brutally subjugate opposition groups, while saving some face as they aren’t officially government forces, critics contend...

https://freebeacon.com/issues/socia...porters-outlawing-confiscating-civilian-guns/
Maduro plans to arm 400,000 supporters amid protests and unrest

The socialist leader of Venezuela announced in a speech to regime loyalists his plan to arm hundreds of thousands of supporters after a years-long campaign to confiscate civilian-owned guns.

"A gun for every militiaman!" Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro said to uniformed militia members outside the presidential palace, Fox News reported on Tuesday. The Bolivarian militias, created by Maduro's predecessor Hugo Chavez, already number in the hundreds of thousands and are being used to supplement the regime's armed forces. Maduro is boosting the number of armed supporters in hopes of keeping control over the country from what he labels "imperialist aggression."

The arming of Maduro's supporters comes five years after Venezuela's socialist regime outlawed the commercial sale and civilian ownership of firearms. Only the military, police, and groups like security companies can buy guns and only directly from one state-run arms company under the law passed in 2012, according to the BBC. The country recently doubled down on its gun ban through a combination of gun buybacks and confiscations in the summer of 2016.

So we have 400,000 people [at least] getting guns 5 years after a gun ban, and the government handing out the guns has no means to manufacture them or buy them, since they don't have the tools or resources to make them, nor the money to buy them, not to mention the arms embargo imposed by the US/NATO/OAS.

To make it a little more clear, here are some of the "militiamen."
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Some civilian (probably export Imbel) FAL knockoff, doesn't even have a magazine.

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Literally carrying shitty milsurp Mosins

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Here's the BMOC himself inspecting a militiaman's AR-15

The point is that these militias are disorganized, grabastic groups of thugs that are being armed by the government with any firearms they have available. There is very little uniformity other than the prevalence of what are obviously repurposed civilian firearms and old ass military surplus that at one point were probably in a crate in the back of a civilian gun store. I am not saying that militaries don't keep old equipment in reserve, but they definitely don't keep these relics and civilian pattern firearms in armories. This is the equivalent of Uncle Sam handing out M1 Garands and Springfield M1903s.
 
Here's my prediction.

The deadline passes, the diplomats stay put. Maduro tells them to fuck off again. The Diplomats say no. Maduro tries to remove them by force. Guns loaned to rebel groups by CIA. Coalition formed. US navy sails close to the coast with back up from British Carribbean assets. Maduro still pushes. Couple of missiles land just outside targets in Caracas (exact same place like the British did to the Argentinians during the Falklands) and Trump tweets something to the effect of 'lol do you want me to continue faggot?'

Maduro steps down.

He's never going to step down. He will be killed.

Remember Maduro has a IQ of 70 or less, the guy is a sped. He believes he can fight.
 
There was an article specifically talking about it a couple years ago, but I can't seem to find it, here is what I currently have. There's a lot of fluff so I'll just post what I think is relevant.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelans-regret-gun-prohibition-we-could-have-defended-ourselves
Under the direction of then-President Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan National Assembly in 2012 enacted the “Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law,” with the explicit aim to “disarm all citizens.” The law took effect in 2013, with only minimal pushback from some pro-democracy opposition figures, banned the legal commercial sale of guns and munitions to all - except government entities...

Chavez initially ran a months-long amnesty program encouraging Venezuelans to trade their arms for electrical goods. That year, there were only 37 recorded voluntary gun surrenders, while the majority of seizures - more than 12,500 – were by force...

Much of the crime has been attributed by analysts to government-backed gangs – referred to in Spanish as “collectivos” – who were deliberately put in place by the government.

“They were set up by the government to act as proxies and exert community control. They're the guys on the motorcycles in the poor neighborhoods, who killed any protesters,” said Vanessa Neumann, the Venezuelan-American president and founder of Asymmetrica, a Washington, D.C.-based political risk research and consulting firm. “The gun reform policy of the government was about social control. As the citizenry got more desperate and hungry and angry with the political situation, they did not want them to be able to defend themselves. It was not about security; it was about a monopoly on violence and social control.”

So while Venezuelan citizens were stripped of their legal recourse to bear arms, the “collectivos” – established by Chavez when came to power – were legally locked and loaded. Deemed crucial to the survival of the socialist dictatorship, the “collectivos” function to brutally subjugate opposition groups, while saving some face as they aren’t officially government forces, critics contend...

https://freebeacon.com/issues/socia...porters-outlawing-confiscating-civilian-guns/
Maduro plans to arm 400,000 supporters amid protests and unrest

The socialist leader of Venezuela announced in a speech to regime loyalists his plan to arm hundreds of thousands of supporters after a years-long campaign to confiscate civilian-owned guns.

"A gun for every militiaman!" Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro said to uniformed militia members outside the presidential palace, Fox News reported on Tuesday. The Bolivarian militias, created by Maduro's predecessor Hugo Chavez, already number in the hundreds of thousands and are being used to supplement the regime's armed forces. Maduro is boosting the number of armed supporters in hopes of keeping control over the country from what he labels "imperialist aggression."

The arming of Maduro's supporters comes five years after Venezuela's socialist regime outlawed the commercial sale and civilian ownership of firearms. Only the military, police, and groups like security companies can buy guns and only directly from one state-run arms company under the law passed in 2012, according to the BBC. The country recently doubled down on its gun ban through a combination of gun buybacks and confiscations in the summer of 2016.

So we have 400,000 people [at least] getting guns 5 years after a gun ban, and the government handing out the guns has no means to manufacture them or buy them, since they don't have the tools or resources to make them, nor the money to buy them, not to mention the arms embargo imposed by the US/NATO/OAS.

To make it a little more clear, here are some of the "militiamen."
venezuela.png

Some civilian (probably export Imbel) FAL knockoff, doesn't even have a magazine.

TOPSHOT-VENEZUELA-POLITIC057193.jpg

Literally carrying shitty milsurp Mosins

20170426_maduro.jpg

Here's the BMOC himself inspecting a militiaman's AR-15

The point is that these militias are disorganized, grabastic groups of thugs that are being armed by the government with any firearms they have available. There is very little uniformity other than the prevalence of what are obviously repurposed civilian firearms and old ass military surplus that at one point were probably in a crate in the back of a civilian gun store. I am not saying that militaries don't keep old equipment in reserve, but they definitely don't keep these relics and civilian pattern firearms in armories. This is the equivalent of Uncle Sam handing out M1 Garands and Springfield M1903s.

And this is why the US has the Second Amendment.
 
They voted this shit in, repeatedly. Then were shocked when the commie assholes they voted in acted like commie assholes and made their ability to vote meaningless.

Not much sympathy.

I have a lot more sympathy then you do, because many never got an education in what a bad idea command-and-control economies really are. Paranoia regarding birth control and masturbation aren't the only lies Catholic schools are pedaling, and unlike the two things I just mentioned, there is a real dearth of available information to counteract the anti-capitalist propaganda.

I’m talking all the way back to Chavez. Being surprised that a commie acts like a commie to set up an heir to their domain is moronic. The people were happy when Chavez was nationalizing appliance stores and forcing the owners to sell their stock at a fraction of the cost.

Again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Again, how is someone with very minimal education (and limited access to alternative information resources) supposed to get the memo regarding the disastrous that usually accompany socialism.


Gotta love Catholics: No, we can't provide you with anything concrete to improve your quality of life, so have this worthless symbolism that can barely provide fifteen minutes of nutrition. Religious fanatics are just as bad as socialists when it comes to ignoring reality and not learning from history.

I want to feel bad for them, but they didn't stop this when they had the chance.

I find it hilarious that /pol/ is able to see Venezuela as what it is - but if it just had some superficial nationalist fluff in its ideology and was able to maintain a semblance of an army and had tighter borders, they'd be kissing its ass like they do with North Korea, dismissing all reports of conditions there as fake.

What is it about the Kiwi Farm boards that make even me, an advocate of free-market capitalism, feel like a bleeding-heart lefty?
 
America should try funding jihadists to fight the communists. It worked really well in Afghanistan, which is now a paradise with a thriving medicinal herb industry, limited government intervention, and where conservative values reign supreme.
 
If there was another path it was killed by our imcompetent opposition, International pressure? Maduro don't care, Sanctions? He still don't care , Voting? The system is so rigged that they don't even try to hide it , Negotiations between the two sides? It was tried three times all ended in nothing and those negotiation were so fucking ridiculous that killed any kind of political will and hope in the country

One of the main things that people outside fail to understand is that the reason there is a political apathy so severe in Venezuela is because the right never actually cared about the country, they are as much as corrupt as the chavizmo and Maduro know this , that's why every single time there was a uprising they went running like cowards to reunite with him and achieve a "Solution" through dialogues and negotiations, in reality they were doing this to make people forget and cool down the streets I mean what kind of negotiation are you going to do with maduro making impossible demands like for example the right has to remove the USA Sanctions when they don't have any kind of power behind that?

Answering your question, yes I'm ok with a intervention because any kind of peaceful and humane way to resolve this problem has been tried and destroyed by both sides every single time , is been 20 years of constant disappointments, broken promises and betrayals from the people that was supposed to be on our side people prefer to try their luck in other countries instead of just remain here and wait for the worst because even with Maduro bragging about how we are achieving a new economic growth (that is a lie inflation went 30% this month, his brilliant plant was only slashing five 0 to the bills and new draconian controls in the sales of food and oil) ,bragging about China "lent us" money to help with the economic plan (lie again it was confirmed that he sold a part of PDVSA) things are getting worse everyday but people is so numb by now that they don't care anymore, this place is doomed and the only viable way to get a better quality of life is to just leave this place and never return

I'm just surprised they didn't deliberately salt & radiate farm land to prevent people from growing their own food not realizing that it makes them starve too.
 
Here's my prediction.

The deadline passes, the diplomats stay put. Maduro tells them to fuck off again. The Diplomats say no. Maduro tries to remove them by force. Guns loaned to rebel groups by CIA. Coalition formed. US navy sails close to the coast with back up from British Carribbean assets. Maduro still pushes. Couple of missiles land just outside targets in Caracas (exact same place like the British did to the Argentinians during the Falklands) and Trump tweets something to the effect of 'lol do you want me to continue faggot?'

Maduro steps down.

Except the imaginary scenario of the CIA pretty much this is what is going to happen, that slapfight was hilarious because Rubio practically said to him "lol what are you going to do faggot? come on step on the embassy motherfucker DO IT", he doesnt have the balls to pick a fight with anyone at this point i think even Aruba could invade us easily and im not exaggerating

I'm just surprised they didn't deliberately salt & radiate farm land to prevent people from growing their own food not realizing that it makes them starve too.

They tried to make it productive but when they seized the farms they also fired all the personal that made all the job and instead put dumb idiots that were registered in the social programs to work on it, the results was total disaster, i mean come on you were putting literally morons to run key companies, they still had the balls to blame USA and capitalism for the industries they fucked
 
I bet that when/if Maduro leaves, Venezuelans will vote in another leftie populist who will maintain the shitholeness of the country. That's the mindset of most of 3rd world people: as long as government gives some 'welfare' crumbs to their household, they don't care if everything around them is on fire.
And that's why most of 3rd world nations will keep in a vicious circle of underdevelopment. (I can't think of an exception, but probably there is).
 
I bet that when/if Maduro leaves, Venezuelans will vote in another leftie populist who will maintain the shitholeness of the country. That's the mindset of most of 3rd world people: as long as government gives some 'welfare' crumbs to their household, they don't care if everything around them is on fire.
And that's why most of 3rd world nations will keep in a vicious circle of underdevelopment. (I can't think of an exception, but probably there is).

Years ago i would agree with you but the problem is that the "crumbs" are worthless now, the inflation goes so fast that every day you see prices changing between 20%-40%, people DONT WANT another Chavez and they finally noticed that they cant eat money
 
Years ago i would agree with you but the problem is that the "crumbs" are worthless now, the inflation goes so fast that every day you see prices changing between 20%-40%, people DONT WANT another Chavez and people noticed that they cant eat money

I honestly hope I'm wrong, but as a 3rd world dweller myself, I see this pattern almost every election.
 
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