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The second season had a lot of good episodes.

I remember that.
And yeah, TWO SEASONS? And we're not talking about 10-13 episode short seasons, these are the big seasons with 26 episodes each. That would have bee 52 EPISODES on earth with a series named STAR TREK!
Damn that series was doomed from the start.
I understand what they had in mind but yeah I don't think people would've watched 26+ episodes taking place on Earth. The episode "First Flight" did a better job at showing the struggle of the NX program.
 
I remember that.

And yeah, TWO SEASONS? And we're not talking about 10-13 episode short seasons, these are the big seasons with 26 episodes each. That would have bee 52 EPISODES on earth with a series named STAR TREK!

Damn that series was doomed from the start.

I think the original concept had potential if it was in the right writer's hands; maybe not for a whole season, let along two though. You could definitely make the first arc of a series about them preparing the Enterprise and dealing with internal matters. I'd be down for that.

But we all know, the average writer on Enterprise was...not exactly good.
 
i read an article that said the new Picard series will have a different tone from STD and the way the tone was described it sounded at least partially like the tone people expect from a Star Trek series
 
This is a bit old, but I figured I'd post it since I was talking about Enterprise the other night.
 
I might sound dumb but both versions in my opinion works well with enterprise, in particular the original one
If I am understanding you correctly, it doesn't actually sound like you watched the video I posted. That wasn't the original Enterprise intro theme, or even the "remix" they made starting with season 3. (For the record, I agree. The original version was better.) No, this was a video where somebody paired up the intro to Enterprise with the theme song of a somewhat shitty 80's sitcom (which, relevant-to-me dumb trivia point, ended up spinning off Family Matters.) and it matches *perfectly*. I have the ability to see whether of not the uploader edited the video to make it match up so perfectly, but I honestly don't care enough to do so...
 
If I am understanding you correctly, it doesn't actually sound like you watched the video I posted. That wasn't the original Enterprise intro theme, or even the "remix" they made starting with season 3. (For the record, I agree. The original version was better.) No, this was a video where somebody paired up the intro to Enterprise with the theme song of a somewhat shitty 80's sitcom (which, relevant-to-me dumb trivia point, ended up spinning off Family Matters.) and it matches *perfectly*. I have the ability to see whether of not the uploader edited the video to make it match up so perfectly, but I honestly don't care enough to do so...
Oh i had gone only to the second half of season 1 last time I was watching the show so I hadn't heard the second theme so I really thought that that was a theme they actually used later on
I should try watching the show again, I forgot almost entirely everything I saw
 
Oh i had gone only to the second half of season 1 last time I was watching the show so I hadn't heard the second theme so I really thought that that was a theme they actually used later on
I should try watching the show again, I forgot almost entirely everything I saw
I've actually seen the show in its entirety, *years* ago. It wasn't particularly memorable obviously, (hence why I was asking for episode recommendations the other night). I actually do remember it getting vaguely better in its second half, but yeah I think the theme song they switched to was a downgrade.

Season 1, 2.

Season 3, 4.

Perfect Strangers Theme.
 
I am going back through ENT also and unless I lost track, I believe that no one in the crew dies until partway through Season 3. I'm not talking about named characters or anything either, it takes 3 seasons until a single redshirt/background character dies. What's up with that? Did they purposely tone down the death count to make it more PG or is it supposed to be like for dramatic effect to show that the Xindi/Delphic Expanse situation is serious business compared to everything thus far?
 
I am going back through ENT also and unless I lost track, I believe that no one in the crew dies until partway through Season 3. I'm not talking about named characters or anything either, it takes 3 seasons until a single redshirt/background character dies. What's up with that? Did they purposely tone down the death count to make it more PG or is it supposed to be like for dramatic effect to show that the Xindi/Delphic Expanse situation is serious business compared to everything thus far?
I can't say whether or nor anyone died in Enterprise before this, (And admittedly, these aren't crew members but...) Apparently more than 7 million people died in the Earth attack in the season 2 finale. (http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Xindi_incident) That alone automatically gives the series as a whole a higher body count than (almost) every other Trek combined, with the obvious exception of DS9... Which apparently *actually* has more casualties than every other series combined... (http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Dominion_War), which makes sense because the Federation was fighting a (mostly) losing war which lasted longer than most of the entirety of Enterprise as a whole.
 
I can't say whether or nor anyone died in Enterprise before this, (And admittedly, these aren't crew members but...) Apparently more than 7 million people died in the Earth attack in the season 2 finale. (http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Xindi_incident) That alone automatically gives the series as a whole a higher body count than (almost) every other Trek combined, with the obvious exception of DS9... Which apparently *actually* has more casualties than every other series combined... (http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Dominion_War), which makes sense because the Federation was fighting a (mostly) losing war which lasted longer than most of the entirety of Enterprise as a whole.
I think at some point earlier in this thread, people were talking about how ENT did not feel like there was anything at stake for the first few seasons because so often they do stupid stuff, go camping, go tourist in uncontacted civilizations with no serious consequences despite the fact that they keep reiterating that they are unprepared and unready for their exploratory mission, and I was thinking the lack of crew deaths until 3rd Season is kind of representative of that. Even in the "serious" arc-advancing episodes where they get tangled up with the time traveling Cold War conflict in 1st and 2nd season, no one in the crew dies and stays dead.
 
I think at some point earlier in this thread, people were talking about how ENT did not feel like there was anything at stake for the first few seasons because so often they do stupid stuff, go camping, go tourist in uncontacted civilizations with no serious consequences despite the fact that they keep reiterating that they are unprepared and unready for their exploratory mission, and I was thinking the lack of crew deaths until 3rd Season is kind of representative of that. Even in the "serious" arc-advancing episodes where they get tangled up with the time traveling Cold War conflict in 1st and 2nd season, no one in the crew dies and stays dead.
I've said it myself.

The Enterprise crew weren't even remotely ready. The show itself blatantly says it multiple times, and proves it even more times than that. Fucking hell, (and I recently saw this episode again) on their first away mission to a less than warp planet, they almost forgot to cover T'pols ears... "George Dubya" Tucker himself was the one to remind her, at the very last second before they went down no less. It's hard to forget that kind of stupid.
 
I've actually seen the show in its entirety, *years* ago. It wasn't particularly memorable obviously, (hence why I was asking for episode recommendations the other night). I actually do remember it getting vaguely better in its second half, but yeah I think the theme song they switched to was a downgrade.

The first one, I'm entirely sure why but it feels like they added or changed part of the music and it just ends up sounding less pleasant

I've said it myself.

The Enterprise crew weren't even remotely ready. The show itself blatantly says it multiple times, and proves it even more times than that. Fucking hell, (and I recently saw this episode again) on their first away mission to a less than warp planet, they almost forgot to cover T'pols ears... "George Dubya" Tucker himself was the one to remind her, at the very last second before they went down no less. It's hard to forget that kind of stupid.
Enterprise is a series that probably could benefit from editing, if someone is capable to not just salvage TLJ but making interesting (look up the Ortega cut) then I can see potential to fix this although it would be a lot more time intensive
 
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The first one, I'm entirely sure why but it feels like they added or changed part of the music and it just ends up sounding less pleasant
I've heard that a lot of people hate the first one, and I get why. It is *very* different from every other trek theme before it. Surprisingly, I don't actually hate it. I actually think it fits Enterprise decently. But as I said, I think the "remix" was a major step down. My favorite though is the dumb 80's sitcom theme.
 
I am going back through ENT also and unless I lost track, I believe that no one in the crew dies until partway through Season 3. I'm not talking about named characters or anything either, it takes 3 seasons until a single redshirt/background character dies. What's up with that? Did they purposely tone down the death count to make it more PG or is it supposed to be like for dramatic effect to show that the Xindi/Delphic Expanse situation is serious business compared to everything thus far?
Voyager caught flak for constantly killing off crew members who obviously couldn't be replaced so they were probably trying to distance themselves from that and the redshirt stereotype.
 
Voyager caught flak for constantly killing off crew members who obviously couldn't be replaced so they were probably trying to distance themselves from that and the redshirt stereotype.
The other possibility I had considered is that they wrote themselves into a corner very early on by establishing at the start that they only had 84 crewmen on the NX-01, so that didn't give them a lot of non-essential personnel to kill off if they had adhered to a Voyager or even TOS frequency of crew death.
 
Voyager caught flak for constantly killing off crew members who obviously couldn't be replaced so they were probably trying to distance themselves from that and the redshirt stereotype.
I actually have something of a soft spot for Voyager... (Even though you have to admit that the stress of fucking up so massively and stranding her crew decades away from Earth *clearly* messed with Janeway's psyche.) This is still a funny vid.

The other possibility I had considered is that they wrote themselves into a corner very early on by establishing at the start that they only had 84 crewmen on the NX-01, so that didn't give them a lot of non-essential personnel to kill off if they had adhered to a Voyager or even TOS frequency of crew death.
I think I found the issue, lol.
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The other possibility I had considered is that they wrote themselves into a corner very early on by establishing at the start that they only had 84 crewmen on the NX-01, so that didn't give them a lot of non-essential personnel to kill off if they had adhered to a Voyager or even TOS frequency of crew death.
Ok, obvious joke over, seriously though, WTF?
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