🎨 Artcow Iconoclast / Jonathan Mack Sweet - The Chris-Chan of Arkansas

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I'm sorry, but how else would you characterize a woman who meets a guy online, lets him move in with her within just a few months, and loans him the money to start his own business (while pleading poverty when I ask for the tuition for another semester or two of school) despite realizing he's a boob with the business acumen of an amoeba ? And on top of that, installing me in the shop to essentially babysit him all day so he doesn't screw up (which, as the lawnmower incident shows, I failed at). That shop caused the rift that tore apart my family, and that worm Dale is out there doing it again. He has to pay.
I'm sure your mom is a lovely woman but straight up this sounds like her fault. She's the one that let him move in after just a couple of months. She's the one that loaned him the money. She's the one that thought someone like you could reign him in. It sucks but you got hustled and that's on your mom. To a lesser extent you for not going "Fuck that noise, I'm not working for him" like an adult would do.
 
I'm sorry, but how else would you characterize a woman who meets a guy online, lets him move in with her within just a few months, and loans him the money to start his own business (while pleading poverty when I ask for the tuition for another semester or two of school) despite realizing he's a boob with the business acumen of an amoeba ?
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Also, yes, please enlighten us as to this "THE MAN was hooking up college students in the '90s" nonsense you're going on about.
 
See he thinks everyone found love in college and fucked in broom closets but him. Think Chris with the old "Jerks stole all da pretty gurlz!" gimmick but older.
 
I wrote an editorial about gay marriage back in the spring. Basically, I said it is a huge ploy because it is being packaged by the Democrats as a "right"...but it's really just going to be used as a means to control every aspect of same-sex couples' lives. Ultimately the government will force them to pay higher health-care premiums (because it's a fact that the homosexual lifestyle is more stressful, and stress contributes to illness). They'll decide how many children same-sex spouses can adopt (or if they can adopt at all), and make gay divorces harder to get than straight ones. Eventually, if too many of their pet gay couples split they'll step in and pick their partners for them, much like they were doing to college students back in the late nineties. You want to talk about a group using people for establishing superiority and political gain, brother, that's what the Demwits are doing to the pink triangle crowd. Moral questions about hte lifestyle aside, I hate to see people exploited.

This is the most progressive anti-gay argument I've ever seen. Still all kinds of wrong & completely ass-backwards, but very creative, I'll give him that.

But I dunno, I found my girlfriend in college all by myself. Didn't last more than six months, but it was fun. No one stepped in to partner us up with any other girls, though. . .
 
Out of all of this, and all this thread and everything regarding Iconoclast obamacable would be my favourite. With republicans in power hahaa......cable would be better. Lol oh my gosh haha. Do your know how capitalism works?
Um....um. Errr.

I am not out to get you, iconoclast. I am right-leaning in my beliefs myself. I could classify as RWNJ and have been labled as such. I understnad the obstructiveness of some liberals and women. I was in a similar situation you were in. Here in Canda it's the NDP and the Greens. What a gong show.what a bunch of passive-aversive flakes. At least, the ones I met.

I moved to a different town. Changed my life over and am going to college in Fall 2015. It excites me to face such opposition in a left-wing environment. I don't understand why you don't find such an opposition exiting. I have come out of the closet about my conservative streak, and hardly are there any problems.
 
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It was exciting...for maybe twenty minutes in 1996, but staled fast. I've really had enough of the Clintons. Between Bill and Obama I feel like I've sat through four terms of Clinton, broken only by the slight headway I made under G.W. Bush.

Most of that was pretty standard GOP talking points until the racism peaked out at the end. It amuses me how much Republicans hate being tagged with that, but hey, with the company they keep...
Uh, the " 'real' black" thing didn't come from our side, Holly. You want to holler at someone, go talk to the Dem's pal Al Sharpton, who said Obama wasn't "down wid' de struggle". Or Barry's own veep Joe Biden, who called his boss "clean" and "articulate".--like, what, he expected Jimmie Walker from Good Times to walk up in there? If Obama is such a good speaker, why does he have to have some aide explain what the hell he's going on about every other press conference (e.g. the "road and bridges" speech I referenced earlier)? Bush was a bit of a mushmouth at times, but, dammit, he was sincere. Despite what you think, I was happier under Bush. I held two managerial jobs, I took vacations with friends, my brother could at least be left alone at home without acting like a raving lunatic and trashing the house too much. I felt more secure.

You do realize that to run a successful home business that you'll have to work in excess of 60 hours a week, and the return you see on that is a huge gamble, right?
Yes, and I welcome that. It's better than having to sit before some pinhead behind a desk and listen to an inane laundry list of complaints from my coworkers about piddling little things I did weeks or months before and don't even remember. That's what a 9-to-5 environment means to me. Now maybe your day job is different. You've never worked in a newspaper office, I take it. There's something unsettling, almost creepy, about these people. They are really unbalanced. Their syrupy friendliness and overbright smiles mask something far deeper bubbling under the surface. Take these two, "Mack" and "Lucy". In a surprising decision by the higher-ups, Lucy was promoted over Mack, despite him having more experience and seniority. One day in the office they had a heated argument. Mack threw a screaming fit and later resigned from The Herald. He was allowed back, wrote a couple columns, but his newspaper career never recovered. Grown people, both well into their forties, flying into a kill rage over some trifling thing. The journalism lifestyle does something to people's minds. Even I stated to feel it after just months. Imagine being in it twenty years or more. Hideous.

I really need you to explain to me the many tentacled monster that is "the System" and what all it controls, because it is just starting to seem like a mythical boogieman you refer to when you don't have a more convenient group to blame.
It's shorthand for "This is jes' how we do things 'roun 'chere, boy. Been at it f'r years, an' it's workin' juuuuuuuuuust fine. Don't question our ways, son. We kin be yer bes' friends in the world, or we kin make it real hot f'r ya. Now that's a nice feller. Here's some more goodies fer ya." Maybe it was just a few real extremist whackos I got mixed up with back then, but the fact that they're still out there and weren't locked up in Greenleaf or run out of town on a rail tells me something about that climate. My whole thing with Ashleigh was another symptom of this weirdness. Sure, she made me happy. Looking back, though, I think she was just a little too perfect. Just six months after my firing, right about when I started trying to get my job back, she turns up? She says, does, and is all the right things.? Just "how things work"? Or was someone deliberately setting me up? The only people I know who would hate me enough to send an underage girl to seduce and ruin me worked for The Herald. I could even name names. But that got a little too uncomfortable for me to consider. Besides, I can't prove anything. So I simply began calling this strange, unsavory way of doing things at my old alma mater "The System"... nice, safe, nonspecific, vague.

So maybe my theory on same-sex relationships is a little out there. Big deal. Two years ago I was talking about starting a lower-class rights movement. Next year it'll be something new. That's what I (should'a) got paid for as a newspaperman-- to be outrageous and put forth outrageous ideas. Give it another ten or 15 years and it won't seem so wild.

Hey man, I was wondering if you could go into more detail on [Dale].
You understand it about as well as I do. The angry customer with the weed whacker was really just another in a list of problems...he was also sore at me for what happened with the lawnmower kid, constantly peeved about my ideas to improve things (like raising the prices, putting in a candy case, and selling Melaleuca products at the counter), and he had a whole rambling list of complaints about how I dressed and how I never handled customers to his liking. He never protected me from anything; I actually think he wasn't really into dating a woman with three kids, didn't really like any of us, and especially resented having me installed in the store to look over his shoulder. I could have said no, sure, but I knew I wasn't going to get what I wanted flipping burgers like a chump. I figured if I has an important job and some money saved, my ex's dad would finally admit he had a daughter and let us be together. So maybe going in with a hidden agenda wasn't my best idea.

Would this be a good example of your most recent work?
That excerpt's about three years old... I have more recent stuff here and here.

I'd strongly recommend investing in a mid to high quality tablet if you haven't done so already.
I have money saved for a new computer, but I don't know what model I'm getting yet. I'll look into tablets.

As for your speechless strips, the idea flow is decent....I had a little difficulty with the underground cables one, but that was more due to it being low res and having some small text.
Imageshack started compressing the files and even deleted a few of mine. I finally gave up on them when they switched to a pay site. But if you open the page and click the image, you can make it full-size.

The dingy look of ep. 801 was deliberate. It's intended to be an homage to old seventies cop dramas, and I used my photo edit program to "stain" those frames so they could stand out from the "real world" scenes with the girl, the baby, and the dogs. The baby was modeled after the one in the Tom and Jerry short "Busy Buddies".

...t would do you worlds of good to step away from your comic for awhile. How long is up to you: a week, a month, a year or two, ten, it doesn't matter. Take however long you need to focus on other things...

I tried that three years ago when things got to be too much... it was only a four months hiatus, but somehow it set me close to two years behind on production. Between that and my computer problems I ended up with a backlog of uncolored pencil sketches that may take me another four months to ink, color, and convert to e-books. I can't wait to begin. :heart-full: :cool:
 
Yes, and I welcome that.

No, no you don't welcome that kind of work. If you did, you would've done it by now.

It's better than having to sit before some pinhead behind a desk and listen to an inane laundry list of complaints from my coworkers about piddling little things I did weeks or months before and don't even remember. That's what a 9-to-5 environment means to me. Now maybe your day job is different. You've never worked in a newspaper office, I take it. There's something unsettling, almost creepy, about these people. They are really unbalanced. Their syrupy friendliness and overbright smiles mask something far deeper bubbling under the surface..Take these two, "Mack" and "Lucy". In a surprising decision by the higher-ups, Lucy was promoted over Mack, despite him having more experience and seniority. One day in the office they had a heated argument. Mack threw a screaming fit and later resigned from The Herald. He was allowed back, wrote a couple columns, but his newspaper career never recovered. Grown people, both well into their forties, flying into a kill rage over some trifling thing. The journalism lifestyle does something to people's minds. Even I stated to feel it after just months. Imagine being in it twenty years or more. Hideous.

If working for a paper means working with terrible people, for terrible people and turns you into a terrible person, how come you want a job back there so badly?

It's shorthand for "This is jes' how we do things 'roun 'chere, boy. Been at it f'r years, an' it's workin' juuuuuuuuuust fine. Don't question our ways, son. We kin be yer bes' friends in the world, or we kin make it real hot f'r ya. Now that's a nice feller. Here's some more goodies fer ya."

Wait... wait... did you just use the stereotypical impression of a powerful conservative red-neck? One that has been used over and over again in cartoons and by hack comedians since the late '70s? And you're using it to attack the other side?

You sir are hilarious, and I know it goes without saying, but never change!

Maybe it was just a few real extremist whackos I got mixed up with back then, but the fact that they're still out there and weren't locked up in Greenleaf or run out of town on a rail tells me something about that climate. My whole thing with Ashleigh was another symptom of this weirdness.

Are we talking about your "girlfriend" that you know knew from phone calls and only saw once for less than 10min? Sorry @The_Iconoclast that relationship is nothing, a big nothing. You did not know this girl. Your entire relationship has been trumped up in your head as some kind of glorious love affair that was ripped apart due to conspiracy. It was nothing, it was less than nothing. You are the only person that gives it any second thoughts, and then you go and connect it to a system that is out to get you for some intangible reason. A reason that you've never provided a concrete reason for being on the receiving end of.

Sure, she made me happy. Looking back, though, I think she was just a little too perfect. Just six months after my firing, right about when I started trying to get my job back, she turns up? She says, does, and is all the right things.? Just "how things work"? Or was someone deliberately setting me up? The only people I know who would hate me enough to send an underage girl to seduce and ruin me worked for The Herald. I could even name names. But that got a little too uncomfortable for me to consider. Besides, I can't prove anything. So I simply began calling this strange, unsavory way of doing things at my old alma mater "The System"... nice, safe, nonspecific, vague.

The reason I ask, is because at one point you were saying that the System took away your lady from you. You said it was because you broke some kind of rules. Then you seemed to be saying that the System provided you w/ her as your mate, as they would do to same-sex relationships soon. Now it seems like you are insinuating that the System placed Ashleigh there as a ruse to mess with before ripping her away to cause the most pain. You talk about this as if it could possible be true, and not the whims of a severely paranoid mind.

If the machinations of the System can be constantly in flux and change direction when you need it to, it begs to be questioned, by you and by anyone that ever hears about it.
  • What is the end goal of the System?
  • What does the System want to achieve in regards to you?
  • When one steps out of line, how long does the System punish them for such infractions?
  • How does the System reach its goals?
  • How did the System gain its power?
  • Who funds the System?
  • How long has the System been around, and when did they become dominate?

Also, you need another break from your comic, for technical reasons. You need to learn how to draw the eye from panel to panel and keep it readable (this is the biggest problem with your comics). Do whatever you need to do to get a copy of Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud and learn how to do these things correctly. If you can't get your ideas and jokes across to other people, how are they ever supposed to listen?
 
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Still didn't address how Dale was his mom's fault for being naive. More avoiding the real issues from our favorite 45 year old.
 
Still didn't address how Dale was his mom's fault for being naive. More avoiding the real issues from our favorite 45 year old.

He's not 45, he's 39! ;)

But yeah, he's like every negative stereotype of a Southern Republican rolled up into one package. Almost makes me ashamed to say I probably voted for the same guy he did in '08 and '12.
 
Between Bill and Obama I feel like I've sat through four terms of Clinton, broken only by the slight headway I made under G.W. Bush.


Despite what you think, I was happier under Bush. I held two managerial jobs, I took vacations with friends, my brother could at least be left alone at home without acting like a raving lunatic and trashing the house too much. I felt more secure.

You confuse causation with correlation. This is compounded with confirmation bias.

You understand it about as well as I do. The angry customer with the weed whacker was really just another in a list of problems...he was also sore at me for what happened with the lawnmower kid, constantly peeved about my ideas to improve things (like raising the prices, putting in a candy case, and selling Melaleuca products at the counter), and he had a whole rambling list of complaints about how I dressed and how I never handled customers to his liking. He never protected me from anything; I actually think he wasn't really into dating a woman with three kids, didn't really like any of us, and especially resented having me installed in the store to look over his shoulder. I could have said no, sure, but I knew I wasn't going to get what I wanted flipping burgers like a chump. I figured if I has an important job and some money saved, my ex's dad would finally admit he had a daughter and let us be together. So maybe going in with a hidden agenda wasn't my best idea.

You have a complete misunderstanding of the situation. You weren't "installed in the store to look over his shoulder." That's what you've convinced yourself, but your mother wanted you to be employed and giving you a job was a condition of her investing in the store. She was working the deal too.

Your suggestions for improvement are all bad ideas for a hardware store. And if you were coming into work wearing jumpsuits and unshaven, then that's inappropriate for a retail business.

You may be resistant to "flipping burgers like a chump," as if it's below you, but you're only getting older, and more to the point, so is your mother. There's only so much time she's going to be around to support you. Then how will you survive?

You need to get off your ass.
 
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I like how you keep changing your stories on why you make the comic as it is. First it was because it has charm, then because of your eyesight, then because its symbolic and now you're paying homage. If you don't want to change it, be my guest but stop acting surprised when people think it looks ugly as sin.
 
I'm not changing my story. It's all those. It began as an homage to my favorite shows back in the eighties (HE-MAN , ALF, and TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES were big influences), with crude caricatures of my friends playing the parts--symbolic of childhood innocence. As I grew older, it became more of innocence struggling to survive in a harsh world-- (hence a shift to darker and more serious plots, incorrectly cited as "evidence" of my mind failing). Fans have have the charm an old-timey cartoon. In the last few years my eyesight had worsened, which throws my perspective off subtly but noticeably. I can't even wear my glasses to do the close work.

If working for a paper means working with terrible people, for terrible people and turns you into a terrible person, how come you want a job back there so badly?
It's really all I understand in life. It's how we lived, it's how we were taught, and we never really questioned it. Sure, I thought, like most aspects of college life, (my fling with Ashleigh included) it was sort of strange, but "Mack" told me I had to learn to look outside my narrow little definition of normal. So I swallowed my doubts and played along. Fat lot of good "adapting" did me, huh?

[D]id you just use the stereotypical impression of a powerful conservative red-neck...to attack the other side?
Nope. That was my impression of a Southern Democrat from the school of J. William Fulbright, Robert "KKK" Byrd, Ernest Hollings, and more recently, Ray "Chocolate City" Nagin talking. You know, old, fat, corrupt, and likely with slush funds in the Cayman Islands, or a stash of greenbacks hidden in his freezer.

[A]t one point you were saying that the System took away your lady from you. You said it was because you broke some kind of rules. Then you seemed to be saying that the System provided you w/ her as your mate, as they would do to same-sex relationships soon. Now it seems like you are insinuating that the System placed Ashleigh there as a ruse to mess with before ripping her away to cause the most pain.
Uh...yeah. So...where'd I lose ya? :lol: That's my point--it's so convoluted that the only way to figure it out is to talk to her. Which I will. I think I've finally tracked down a major lead-- her Facebook account. Now we'll finally get some closure.

The System is really just a nebulous bunch of ridiculous crazies, ideologues, and hardcore extremists in power who will burn themselves out and implode eventually, but there'll be a lot of collateral damage along the way unless they're stopped. Many gravitate towards schools and Universities becaue that's the only pl;ace they can survive. If I knew more details, you think I would I just give them away? Think about it.

Also, you need another break from your comic, for technical reasons....Do whatever you need to do to get a copy of Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud and learn how to do these things correctly.
No breaks, and no book, unless I can buy it in a store. I can't order anyhting online because I don't have a credit card.

You have a complete misunderstanding of the situation. You weren't "installed in the store to look over his shoulder." That's what you've convinced yourself...
No, that is exactly what she told me when I informed her I'd contacted Dale.

Your suggestions for improvement are all bad ideas for a hardware store.
His business model was so screwed up it was the only way I'd have made any money for my dream. God forbid Dale sell something new that folks actually might, you know, want. All the profits from the repair business went to his beloved auction houses. I was expected to sell secondhand junk he bought there for a piddling commission rather than, oh, you know, be paid an an actual salary. As I said in the letter.

And if you were coming into work wearing jumpsuits and unshaven, then that's inappropriate for a retail business.
We both had beards, and those rambling complaints about how I dressed came from a man who considered loafers the height of fashion. Pffft.

[Y]ou're only getting older, and ... so is your mother. There's only so much time she's going to be around to support you. Then how will you survive?
I save up my money and finally build my dream of ASU life on the outside. A lot of men from my generation missed out on the good times because they didn't have the money, the brains, or, like me, fucked up and got kicked out too soon. I'll give them their own little corner of the world .where they can live the dream. Of course, when I was young, it was Alanis Morissette blasting on the stereo, and I never played hackeysack in my life, but the vibe is still the same... freedom.

You need to get off your ass.
You need to shut your ass up.
 
Why bother a woman who's trying to live her life and likely doesn't remember you at all (unless she does in which case you'll probably just upset her if nothing else and not get anywhere asking questions)?
Why not focus on living yours instead?
I mean, if you're really so ambitious and together, all that's holding you back really is you.
 
Uh...yeah. So...where'd I lose ya? :lol: That's my point--it's so convoluted that the only way to figure it out is to talk to her. Which I will. I think I've finally tracked down a major lead-- her Facebook account. Now we'll finally get some closure.

Even you know this is a bad idea. I thought you were going to knock the stalking business off.
 
Why bother a woman who's trying to live her life and likely doesn't remember you at all (unless she does in which case you'll probably just upset her if nothing else and not get anywhere asking questions)?
Why not focus on living yours instead?
I mean, if you're really so ambitious and together, all that's holding you back really is you.
But he needs closure/secret intel on TEH SISTYM/a good lay! It's a crucial step toward his goal of building a utopian MRA compound set at half-past 1997.
 
I'm not changing my story. It's all those. It began as an homage to my favorite shows back in the eighties (HE-MAN , ALF, and TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES were big influences), with crude caricatures of my friends playing the parts--symbolic of childhood innocence. As I grew older, it became more of innocence struggling to survive in a harsh world-- (hence a shift to darker and more serious plots, incorrectly cited as "evidence" of my mind failing). Fans have have the charm an old-timey cartoon. In the last few years my eyesight had worsened, which throws my perspective off subtly but noticeably. I can't even wear my glasses to do the close work.

Hah. Incidentally: have you seen the recent stuff that has been going on in the TMNT? I was a giant fan of TMNT in the early 1990s (seriously, I beat the Commodore 64 game, and that was a buggy piece of shit. Kids these days keep complaining about the NES version being too hard. Wusses. The river level was bloody fun, I tell ya!) and had literally not touched the franchise at all until I spotted the Xbox 360 Arcade game TMNT: Out of the Shadows. I was blown away. Not only was it awesome for my olde-timey TMNT fan sensibilities, it was also a fairly decent game by modern standards. (Okay, not flawless. But I have had fun with it.)

One thing to note, though: They hadn't fucking changed everything while I wasn't looking. Sure, it was a modern game using modern video game technologies, meant for modern video gamer sensibilities. But fundamentally, it was all about the same stuff that TMNT had always been about. They didn't try to only appeal to the thirty-somethings like me who played the game as a kid by adding giant bloody piles of mature political commentary. Why? That would have been pretty stupid.

And that is exactly where I'm getting at. A lot of ongoing art projects have been ruined because the author considers them to be their only mouthpiece. They can't realise what design decisions they made earlier, and when they change them, they piss off the fans. The fans expect the projects to stay within the parameters they chose.

If you want a more clear example, consider Sonichu again. People expected it to be a Sonic & Pokemon fan comic. Those decisions come with certain sort of baggage from the Sonic and Pokemon fandoms. All of a sudden, the comic was full of terribly drawn gore and massively cringeworthy sexual content. Chris couldn't abide by his design decisions, and people didn't generally react to it favourably.
 
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