Thundercats Roar and its clone, "Aquaman, King of Atlantis" - “Steven pumaverse”

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You know, traditional art education involves people making art and everyone telling the artist their art is shit. This is to serve the purpose of motivating the artist to either be better or double down and prove the haters wrong. A thing I am noticing now though is we are all supposed to lie now. We are supposed to reflexively say the art is good. When it's not.

This calarts style seems to be the result. The character's are formless blobs devoid of identity. Be it gender, age, abilities (like muscles). I can see how this would work in an explicitly SJW show like Steven Universe. But beyond that narrow confine its really hard to justify and just shows their laziness. They don't have the skill or time to draw complex toons like those overworked Japs, so they just animate shapeless blobs and doodle in a background and call it good. Corporate probably loves this style because they can hire straight from DeviantArt. And not the few good ones mind you. Oh no. The high school primadonnas who think they are good and churn out a piles of shit that everyone lies and says looks good.
 
NielBreenLover96 said:
Wow, what a piece of SHIT. How the fuck did ANYONE think this was okay?
It's even funnier how hard the creators of it are hugboxing on Twitter.
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Yes, just because a lot of people worked on it, that means it's perfect and immune to critique.

Gah, I fucking hate the Calarts-clique in the animation industry.
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There already was a reboot of Thundercats in 2011 that, despite some issues, had a lot going for it. The animation in particular was far more visually appealing and gave characters distinctive designs. Sadly it didnt sell toys to kids so it got the boot (same with Symbiotic Titan)

It also wasn't a fucking comedy. I don't know why these new cartoonists are so terrified at the concept of an adventure show, but its as if they refuse to tackle anything like that without doing it in an ironic manner.
 
mindlessobserver said:
You know, traditional art education involves people making art and everyone telling the artist their art is shit. This is to serve the purpose of motivating the artist to either be better or double down and prove the haters wrong. A thing I am noticing now though is we are all supposed to lie now. We are supposed to reflexively say the art is good. When it's not.

This calarts style seems to be the result. The character's are formless blobs devoid of identity. Be it gender, age, abilities (like muscles). I can see how this would work in an explicitly SJW show like Steven Universe. But beyond that narrow confine its really hard to justify and just shows their laziness. They don't have the skill or time to draw complex toons like those overworked Japs, so they just animate shapeless blobs and doodle in a background and call it good. Corporate probably loves this style because they can hire straight from DeviantArt. And not the few good ones mind you. Oh no. The high school primadonnas who think they are good and churn out a piles of shit that everyone lies and says looks good.
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I always point at that one part in Steven Universe animated by animator Takafumi Hori. He is perfectly on-model for the entirety of his scene (as on-model as SU can be, anyway) and yet it still blows the rest of the show away in execution. I haven't looked into anything about Japanese animation training but I've always thought they would be taught to do more with less because of anime only getting so high of a budget from its production committee.
Spellskite said:
There already was a reboot of Thundercats in 2011 that, despite some issues, had a lot going for it. The animation in particular was far more visually appealing and gave characters distinctive designs.
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It wasn't a 1:1 reboot but it felt like a decently fresh modern take on it. They tried to write it more seriously than the original show and the characters felt more natural. The animation was really great and I think it did the original series justice visually.
Spellskite said:
Sadly it didnt sell toys to kids so it got the boot (same with Symbiotic Titan)
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Still bitter about that. Titan was shaping up to be one of Genndy Tartakovsky's best works, then they shit-canned it after the first season.
 
I feel very indifferent about this show but the smugness of twitter and tumblr fucks when it comes to defending this abortion of an art style it makes me hate it.

I sincerely believe late 80s and early 90s had a lot more variety in style. I'll take Klasky Csupo over this nonsense any day of the week.
 
I don't have any particular emotional attachment to the original, but I find it lazy and arrogant when the creators of a reboot basically say "this is stupid, so we're going to do it our way." By all means update for a modern audience - the Ducktales and Thunderbirds reboots did a pretty good job on this IMO - but if you don't respect the original work, then you're just not the right person for the job. Especially when the new take on the material is so lazy and generic. Anyone can say "this cartoon is stupid," the challenge is to make a modern audience take it seriously.
 
Spellskite said:
There already was a reboot of Thundercats in 2011 that, despite some issues, had a lot going for it. The animation in particular was far more visually appealing and gave characters distinctive designs. Sadly it didnt sell toys to kids so it got the boot (same with Symbiotic Titan)

It also wasn't a fucking comedy. I don't know why these new cartoonists are so terrified at the concept of an adventure show, but its as if they refuse to tackle anything like that without doing it in an ironic manner.
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That seems to be a killer of shows today. It has to sell merchandise to kids, otherwise, it gets canned. To me, the new cartoonists try to emulate the Scott Pilgrim style humor, but they don't know how or what made it work. It's very telling because the people behind the shows all are looking the same (they always look either "Hollywood nerdy" or hipster like) .

PS: I had an image of how that Nico guy looked in my head, and it was accurate.
 
I never watched this show as a kid so I have zero reference to it, that being said imo the art style is fine if it was just used in SU so it didn't get over used. The more they try to use it for other things the worse/sloppier it's going to get, and it didn't look great to begin with.

More importantly though, I think it's long over due for these companies crack down on their employees social media. if a single nazi joke can get a normal person fired/arrested (dankula) then these assholes should absolutely be fired for throwing fits and screeching in front of the fans. Freedom of speech blah blah, but just allowing these people to do as they wish is just allowing their ego's to inflate and for them to become uncontrollable a la Mark Waid.
 
_blank_ said:
So the first Tweet - no, I didn't like the promotional image, nor the brief animation I've seen, nor the whole BTS segment. I'm not going to be a sped and act like "UHHHH YOU RUINED MAH CHILDHOOD" because I've only a passing appreciation for the older show, but I will say that I'm not exactly sure who this show caters to other than either 5-year olds, and the creepy subset of 20-30 year old entitled losers who have spent their formative years jerking off to cartoons and who are mentally incapable of doing anything original.

Further, don't give me that "60+ people worked on this and you shouldn't be mean" bullshit. You entitled shit. I don't care if it was 60 or 6,000 people. The group's work is poor, uninspired, and does not inspire any interest in the show. They took a pre-existing fandom and interjected what they think is cool and paraded it out like it was some hot shit, not at all considering what maybe the installed fanbase would like. Your "60+ creators" have failed to do anything except cater to the lowest common denominator and appease your corporate overlords who don't give a fuck about anything except making money... and honestly I sincerely doubt this will do nothing but create more ire for Warner Brothers.

Second tweet. "I didn't like the original, so this is better, lulz." Go fuck right off, asswipe. Not everything in the world needs to cater to your own personal interests. For example, I have no interest whatsoever in Nicholas Sparks movies, Stephen Universe, or MLP, but that doesn't mean I think they should.
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...why is someone who hated the original Thundercats cartoon ALLOWED on this project?! Bland indifference would be better. Someone who hated it would have a vested interest in RUINING it.
 
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Ido said:
I never watched this show as a kid so I have zero reference to it, that being said imo the art style is fine if it was just used in SU so it didn't get over used. The more they try to use it for other things the worse/sloppier it's going to get, and it didn't look great to begin with.

More importantly though, I think it's long over due for these companies crack down on their employees social media. if a single nazi joke can get a normal person fired/arrested (dankula) then these assholes should absolutely be fired for throwing fits and screeching in front of the fans. Freedom of speech blah blah, but just allowing these people to do as they wish is just allowing their ego's to inflate and for them to become uncontrollable a la Mark Waid.
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It's a lazy artystle but it works for shows that are trying to get a lazy and relaxed feel like Steven Universe and Adventure Time.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Thunder Cats is supposed to be badass and full of action.

I'd put money on them choosing this style because of some exec looking at the success of SU and AT and thinking "Wow, lets do that".
 
Intelligent Calcium said:
According to this article, this is the director's twitter.

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Like clockwork. But the sad part is that his demo reel is actually pretty good and he worked on some great animated shows like Motorcity.
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I had a look through Polgar's twitter, he's got good taste ( in art, not hair styles).

He mentions that he animated the tumblrcats intro, I can see his influence in it with the background art and the spaceship's animation.
I'm just surprised he had a hand in the animation at all, I though modern cartoon studios had all the actual animation done at Korean sweatshops.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
No seriously someone tell me what the fuck CalArts is and why it's the harbinger of the animation apocalypse.
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Since no one else has explained it in detail...

CalArts is a school known for turning out average to above-average artists with a VERY consistent style. This makes them insanely popular with animation giants like Cartoon Network and the like.

The CalArts style of any given year is so cookie-cutter that the artists can work together, finish each other's work, or be swapped out and it's hard to tell the difference. Suits at big networks love this.

The problem? Well, there are two big dark sides to this.

First, this is Academia in California, so it's overrun by "Progressives". Thus almost all of the graduates lately are troons, SJWs, soyboys, ect. And they're all trained to put their spergy political views into everything they do.

Second, CalArts zeroes in on a specific style that it teaches. For example, after Avatar: The Last Airbender was popular, they taught its pseudo-anime style for years. This led to stuff like Young Justice, Ben10, Korra, the Thundercats reboot, and years later, Voltron.

For a while after that, they were after Adventure Time's style and we ended up with stuff like Star Butterfly and Gumball.

These days, in no small part due to their Tumblr-esque political leanings, they're obsessed with Steven Universe's "Stylistically" shitty style.

This is leading us to shit like Gen Zed, SJW Marvel Squirrel Girl, Teen Titans Go, and other shit.

Unless something better catches on, expect to see this shitty style recycled everywhere for the next decade...
 
Koby_Fish said:
...why is someone who hated the original Thundercats cartoon ALLOWED on this project?! Bland indifference would be better.
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Largely because he isn't. He's not working on the show at all. The guy with the manbun who is working on it is a fan, though.
 
mindlessobserver said:
You know, traditional art education involves people making art and everyone telling the artist their art is shit. This is to serve the purpose of motivating the artist to either be better or double down and prove the haters wrong. A thing I am noticing now though is we are all supposed to lie now. We are supposed to reflexively say the art is good. When it's not.

This calarts style seems to be the result. The character's are formless blobs devoid of identity. Be it gender, age, abilities (like muscles). I can see how this would work in an explicitly SJW show like Steven Universe. But beyond that narrow confine its really hard to justify and just shows their laziness. They don't have the skill or time to draw complex toons like those overworked Japs, so they just animate shapeless blobs and doodle in a background and call it good. Corporate probably loves this style because they can hire straight from DeviantArt. And not the few good ones mind you. Oh no. The high school primadonnas who think they are good and churn out a piles of shit that everyone lies and says looks good.
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Just wait, they'll soon consider MSPaint fetish artists for employment. And I pray to god the backlash when/if that ever happens will be enormous.

That said, it's tragic that the American animation system, and artistic abilities in general, have gone down the shitter in recent years. Schools like CalArts and SVA really need to rethink their practices, but we all know they won't. They just jump on whatever's popular and go from there.

Echo_Ender said:
Second, CalArts zeroes in on a specific style that it teaches. For example, after Avatar: The Last Airbender was popular, they taught its pseudo-anime style for years. This led to stuff like Young Justice, Ben10, Korra, the Thundercats reboot, and years later, Voltron.

For a while after that, they were after Adventure Time's style and we ended up with stuff like Star Butterfly and Gumball.

These days, in no small part due to their Tumblr-esque political leanings, they're obsessed with Steven Universe's "Stylistically" shitty style.

This is leading us to shit like Gen Zed, SJW Marvel Squirrel Girl, Teen Titans Go, and other shit.

Unless something better catches on, expect to see this shitty style recycled everywhere for the next decade...
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And you also got to remember, the school original bred artists to work in the Disney style, leading to such things like the Brave Little Toaster or The Spirit animation test:

And to a lesser extent, The Simpsons was animated using many of said graduates at the time, like Brad Bird and Rich Moore during the show's earlier seasons before they largely shipped it all to Korea. Hell, shows like Johnny Bravo had their creators originate over at those art schools. And the style those shows had were pretty popular during the 0s and early 2000s before Avatar hit the scene.
 
I'm not saying CalArts of the past was shitty or that it doesn't put out some good artists even in it's Tumblr years.

But it's being ruined these days.
 
Echo_Ender said:
I'm not saying CalArts of the past was shitty or that it doesn't put out some good artists even in it's Tumblr years.

But it's being ruined these days.
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It's not the animation schools' fault things like this happen. They just teach you the tools of the trade, and you're at liberty to do what you want with them.

Instead blame the networks who don't want to try out something with a new, different style.
 
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