💼 Careercow Mark Waid / William Mark Waid - Comics legend turned laughingstock, SJW lunatic, Dislikes Asians, Sued for Tortious Interference, King Baby, “The Strong Protect The Weak”

[Bob's Fries]

Call me optimistic and all. But if this ends up fucking over the budget for future Avengers movies, my sides will exit the galaxy.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Call me optimistic and all. But if this ends up fucking over the budget for future Avengers movies, my sides will exit the galaxy.

I doubt it since Marvel Studios is a separate entity under Disney from the rest of Marvel, mostly cause of people like Waid, but fuck if I know how any of this will turn out.

 

[Muscle Bra]

True story...

Many years ago, I met Mark Waid at a convention. I was never a particularly big fan of his (I was more of a Marvel, then an indie, guy) but I thought Kingdom Come was really good.

I had him sign my Kingdom Come books and I told him that, as much as I enjoyed the series, his follow-up to it (The Kingdom, IIRC) did nothing for me. Waid jokingly said “Next!” and went on to tell me that the book had not been well-received by fans, with some being more abusive than others. We then had a brief discussion about how anonymity and distance could lead to the rise of tough guys/keyboard warriors on the internet.

I stopped reading comics years ago, and stopped paying attention to Waid years before that. Still, it’s kind of ironic to read this news and learn that Waid ended up becoming just another internet keyboard warrior.

 

[Derp Potato]

It's worse that he believes he's literally the superheros he writes about so much so that he believes he's intimidating.

I've never gone to a con or care to, but with how popular they've gotten, I'm pretty sure he's far from being the most physically intimidating person to attend one.

 

[Foltest]

He has the look of someone who spend most of his days inside and don't exercise enough. A pale skinnyfat nerd.

 

[Hecate]

Mark Waid used to be one of my favorite writers. Seeing him go off the deep end like this sucks but at least he can transition to being one of my favorite lolcows now.

something tells me that hes gonna transition into something else if you catch my meaning

 

[RodgerDodger]

Call me optimistic and all. But if this ends up fucking over the budget for future Avengers movies, my sides will exit the galaxy.

They completely severed Marvel Studios out from under Marvel Entertainment (the comics and TV people) a few years back. Studios is a wholly separate subsidiary under Alan Horn. Marvel Entertainment is run by Ike Perlmutter. Who is almost bizarre and interesting enough for his own thread here. Although I don't think he counts as a Lolcow?

I think he's ALWAYS been a shithead.

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That stuff with the wreath should have gotten him an ass kicking at least, black listing and ostracised at best. He was probably one of those "When the Revolution comes you'll be first against the wall..." type guys. He probably had all the "right" friends, lived in the right neighborhood, and subscribed the right ethics and morality. He was probably insuffereable as shit too. As he got more and more popular, he began throwing his weight around more and more, and people didn't want to do anything to stifle his creativity or whatever, and let him act like a spoiled fucking toddler. Just because that particular spoiled toddler could do decent work if you patted his head and gave him a better cookie than everyone else or whatever it was his inflating ego wanted.

Then some sperg with a shitty camera-phone comes along and does what is positively not allowed: Mock his industry.

Once that happened, he journeyed out onto social media, surrounded by his peers (who believed, like him, that they could do no wrong and nobody dared reign them in), and ran face first into internet culture. Since he couldn't automatically shut people down, shut everyone up, and make everyone act the way he wanted to by throwing fits, his temper tantrums got bigger and bigger, until they matched his ego.

Which is why he thought he could get away with the shit he pulled. Because nobody has really told him no in years.

I'll bet right now he still thinks he's going to come out on top, because to him, he always has. He's smarter, more talented, cannier, and more moral than all his opponents. He probably thinks he's made enough connections and virtue signalled hard enough that even the gunslingers working for the House of Mouse can't touch him if he just virtue signals the right way, or has people who agree with him continue his work.

He's no different than Scalzi, Martin, or Joss Wedon.

TD;RL: Mark Waid is a fat toddler who's never been refused anything he wanted except for the love of a woman and a family legacy.

Oh he's always been a shithead. That is legendary in the industry. But up until recently he was limited to being a shithead to his handlers and co-workers. They were able to keep him chained up in the closet and focused enough between mental breakdowns to produce readable content. Then Social Media arrived. Especially Twitter. And the monster that is Waid burst its chains and began terrorizing the countryside and accusing the villagers of wrongthink.

That issue, unlike the rest of this, is really idiot simple. Does Waid have enough to pay a judgment? If not, can anyone else be held responsible vicariously for his actions, or did anyone actually tell him to do this or conspire to do it with him, or deliberately turn a blind eye to it? Waid being a dick for months on social media didn't break the law by itself, and they have apparently at least tried to shut him up very soon after he overtly broke the law? If the answer to both is no, it's not worth bothering no matter how good the claims.

That's where Disney may find itself in a bit of trouble. This incident didn't just happen. There has been a buildup of bad behavior centered on Waid, but involving quite a few other members of Disney's Marvel Entertainment Staff directed against Mr. Meyer and his businesses. The messing with Antarctic Press is the obvious one. But what action did Disney take after a group of their employees seemingly publicly arranged to stalk harrass and do violence to Mr. Meyer at Baltimore Comic Con? How many took part in attempts to take down his Patreon? While they may seem trivial by themselves, in agregate do they show a pattern? At what point was Marvel Management made aware of these activities? At what point was Disney? What actions were taken to enforce the Disney Ethics and Standards? And clearly some action was taken. When C B Cebulski came in he did make some clear changes. We know from Dan Slott's abandoning of Twitter and Social Media due to the new policy enforcement. Why was this not enforced on Waid?

Disney's big problem will be all the public Social Media surrounding that Baltimore Comic Con, in which a number of their staff participated to plot against Meyer.

Now, I don't know shit about shit but it seems to me the real meat of any FTC action or lolsuit armageddon will come from who this idiot talked to, emailed and tweeted at before and after making his call to the publisher. Industry contacts is bad but coworkers is bad times a million. One guy being an idiot is understandable. One guy roping in half your office to commit actions relating to unfair trade practices against some schmuck will get the hammer.

See above. Yeah that is going to be Disney's angle of exposure. They allowed the targeted harassment to continue and build within their division. Even if it had no sanction from above or was even forbidden by published policies, they still did not step in to stop it despite having ample evidence of bad behavior and actors and plenty of warning signs.

 

[RockVolnutt]

They completely severed Marvel Studios out from under Marvel Entertainment (the comics and TV people) a few years back. Studios is a wholly separate subsidiary under Alan Horn. Marvel Entertainment is run by Ike Perlmutter. Who is almost bizarre and interesting enough for his own thread here. Although I don't think he counts as a Lolcow?

I'm not trying to make an antisemitic joke when I say this but Ike's just a living stereotype of a petty stingy Jew when people see him in public and not much else. One story that gets passed around a bunch was where he refused to let people get popcorn at an Iron Man premiere to cut cost.

He's not exactly a "lolcow" more then he's a dickish businessman and he's notoriously reclusive so good luck on finding enough new material outside him being pals with Trump. As far as I know, even if you had material most of it's going to be "Ike tells minimum wage troon to stop pestering him and use broken printer they have. Getting a $40 printer is $40 higher than he's willing to spend"

 

[Bob's Fries]

If Disney actually came to make a lesser settlement with Meyer before it goes critical, it might be a good time to tell Disney to drop Wade and his goons and get Marvel to publish Jawbreakers for him. It certainly sounds like it isnt any worse than the trash they usually publish nowadays. And besides it can be argued its a gesture real capeshit fans would appreciate.

 

[damian]

If Disney actually came to make a lesser settlement with Meyer before it goes critical, it might be a good time to tell Disney to drop Wade and his goons and get Marvel to publish Jawbreakers for him. It certainly sounds like it isnt any worse than the trash they usually publish nowadays. And besides it can be argued its a gesture real capeshit fans would appreciate.

Zack has said in multiple videos that getting Jawbreakers into comic shops is mostly a bragging rights thing. Making Marvel publish his book instead of paying out cash is an interesting possibility. I can’t accurately predict where things will go with this shit show.

 

[NQ 952]

something tells me that hes gonna transition into something else if you catch my meaning

I hope it's Shaquille O'Neal.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

Call me optimistic and all. But if this ends up fucking over the budget for future Avengers movies, my sides will exit the galaxy.

I'm pretty sure Disney could pay the biggest settlement in history and maybe have to slightly cut the quality of paper towels they buy for their theme parks. You'd have to be exceptional to think that 1) they'd lose enough money to impact their budgeting for their most popular series of movies and 2) that they wouldn't find the money to keep making their licenses to print money.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

He's not exactly a "lolcow" more then he's a dickish businessman and he's notoriously reclusive so good luck on finding enough new material outside him being pals with Trump.

I know nothing about this guy or whether he's at all cowish but if "pals with Trump" is a commonly accepted descriptor of him then I would bet he attracts other Waid-style woke cows like flies to shit.

 

[Slowboat to China]

Then some sperg with a shitty camera-phone comes along and does what is positively not allowed: Mock his industry.

Once that happened, he journeyed out onto social media, surrounded by his peers (who believed, like him, that they could do no wrong and nobody dared reign them in), and ran face first into internet culture. Since he couldn't automatically shut people down, shut everyone up, and make everyone act the way he wanted to by throwing fits, his temper tantrums got bigger and bigger, until they matched his ego.

Can I just say that I love this? I'm imagining Mark Waid as the brave explorer in jodhpurs and pith helmet, striding fearlessly into the jungle despite the warnings of his native guide and promptly getting eaten alive by the cannibalistic trolls that dwell therein.

 

[RodgerDodger]

If Disney actually came to make a lesser settlement with Meyer before it goes critical, it might be a good time to tell Disney to drop Wade and his goons and get Marvel to publish Jawbreakers for him. It certainly sounds like it isnt any worse than the trash they usually publish nowadays. And besides it can be argued its a gesture real capeshit fans would appreciate.

Not that I see this happening, but one fascinating way Disney could get out from under this with everybody happy, (except Waid) and no admissions of fault or anti competitive behavior would be to enter into a partnership with Mr. Meyer to option the Jawbreakers property for film or screen. It probably wouldn’t be that expensive, would be a better investment and a better accounting option than paying out an embarrassing settlement, and has a transferable capital component in the Jawbreakers IP. Everybody would get bragging rights and the problem would go away. Even if they never made a movie.

The downside is it would churn the dangerhair crowd into a pack of shrieking harpies and likely push Waid to become a suicide bomber. I can’t see Bob Igor ever going for it. Although a few others at Disney might love the idea of low cost counter programming to capitalize on some of the ideological backlash they have been getting from their SJW Star Wars offerings. In the current climate somebody is going to get paid a lot by offering classic 80’s/90’s style testosterone action romps as a counterpoint to the Soylo stuff.

 

[Mola Ram]

Not that I see this happening, but one fascinating way Disney could get out from under this with everybody happy, (except Waid) and no admissions of fault or anti competitive behavior would be to enter into a partnership with Mr. Meyer to option the Jawbreakers property for film or screen. It probably wouldn’t be that expensive, would be a better investment and a better accounting option than paying out an embarrassing settlement, and has a transferable capital component in the Jawbreakers IP. Everybody would get bragging rights and the problem would go away. Even if they never made a movie.

The downside is it would churn the dangerhair crowd into a pack of shrieking harpies and likely push Waid to become a suicide bomber. I can’t see Bob Igor ever going for it. Although a few others at Disney might love the idea of low cost counter programming to capitalize on some of the ideological backlash they have been getting from their SJW Star Wars offerings. In the current climate somebody is going to get paid a lot by offering classic 80’s/90’s style testosterone action romps as a counterpoint to the Soylo stuff.

There's a pretty significant problem with this notion that Marvel would publish Jawbreakers. Our Boy Zack isn't the only victim here. Antarctic Press, despite the merry-go-round of denials they've puked up on social media since Waid made his fateful phone call, is also a victim as they're the ones who are actually in competition with Marvel. A Marvel writer intimidating a publisher into dropping a comic, only for Marvel to publish that comic instead seems ... not exactly what antitrust laws were intended to do.

 

[kcbbq]

The downside is it would churn the dangerhair crowd into a pack of shrieking harpies and likely push Waid to become a suicide bomber. I can’t see Bob Igor ever going for it. Although a few others at Disney might love the idea of low cost counter programming to capitalize on some of the ideological backlash they have been getting from their SJW Star Wars offerings. In the current climate somebody is going to get paid a lot by offering classic 80’s/90’s style testosterone action romps as a counterpoint to the Soylo stuff.

There's definitely more room out there to make some cash with a few more Expendables type movies that aren't MCU franchises. Just explosions, scenery chewing bad guys, and mindless violence. They were kind of missing for a while outside of indie films. Look how much Fast and Furious movies make, and they're even more low-brow than Stallone's magnum opus.

I'd love to see the meltdown if film rights were bought even with the intent to shelf them. The dangerhairs would have kittens. I'd sit back, put on some Satchmo albums, and enjoy the fire.

 

[Heckler1]

The irony is that Jawbreakers didn't even look that good tbh. It probably would have petered out after the first couple issues if Waid and CO stopped giving Zach more ammo to bitch about. But they can't help themselves, and so they continue to make him seem better than he is.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

The irony is that Jawbreakers didn't even look that good tbh. It probably would have petered out after the first couple issues

So like 95% of Antarctic Press's other titles then.

 

[RodgerDodger]

So like 95% of Antarctic Press's other titles then.

Let’s be honest the vast majority of indie and small press titles are absolute dogshit. Always have been always will. They are vanity press wannabe fanfic shit.