Money Financhu Crisis / Chris sells his stuff megathread

[4Macie]

Chris, I’m his prime freedom from trolls days, didn’t last more ban 2-3 weeks (mid August to September 11 or sooner) at Wendy’s.

I think Chris could get hired somewhere. But he’s not keeping the job. His own piss poor performance along with stupid people calling his work would get him fired real quick.

Barb’s debt will die with her. Which means Chris will have more money for living after she’s gone. Unfortunately I can see Barb having Chris sign up for a co-signer or full signer for some things. Those might screw him a bit.

The worst thing is that neither parent has prepared Chris for a life alone.

 

[timtommy]

You don't think that it would have been helpful for Chris to attend a school that would have actually helped him learn to better manage his autism, and helped him to become more independent? Because that's basically the entire point of special education schools; They try to educate and prepare people with disabilities for adulthood, and they provide special education and services to help their students meet that goal. Every case is unique of course, but that's the entire purpose of those types of schools.

I'm not being an asshole and just saying that chris deserved to ride the short-bus, or he needed to go to exceptional individual school. My point is that sometimes special classes in a normal high school just aren't enough... Sometimes more is needed if a person is expected to live a normal life.

And in Chris's case, I don't think the classes he attended were enough. I mean consider for a second where we're discussing this... All I'm saying is that perhaps with a proper education where he learned to manage his autism (to the best of his capabilities), we wouldn't be here right now having this discussion.

It might well have been, but it isn't a given. There are lots of special education experts who believe that the mainstreaming plus some extra help treatment that Chris got is optimal. It's not completely silly. Chris' best case scenario in life looking forward from when he was a young teenager was probably that he bumbled through a real world job with a few accommodations for his differences. One way to prepare him for that is to make his high school experience as close to that as possible. Surround him with the normal kids and encourage him to keep up as best as he can, while giving him extra help where he needs it.

As you say, that is not the only way of approaching it, and every case is unique. It is reasonable to say that things worked out pretty badly for Chris. Aside from bumbling his way through an associates degree, he hasn't really accomplished anything.

So overall I can't disagree that another approach would have been likely to have worked out better. But I do think that is a case of 20/20 hindsight. I am not sure you can make a great case that Bob's decision to mainstream Chris was a terrible idea, given the information he had at the time.

 

[Optimus Prime]

And that was their biggest mistake when it came to Chris. He should have went to a school that catered to special needs students. It's fairly obvious that special ed classes alone weren't enough...

What special ed classes? Borb were vehemently against Chris getting any kind of tard focused education because they were set in their ways and didn't want the fact their son was developmentally challenged to reflect poorly back on them (and boy did that backfire time and time again, didn't it?). They bitched and moaned enough that MHS had to forcibly mainstream Chris with no special education whatsoever to placate his parents - we've seen his homework and how fucking awful it is, Chris on that sampling alone barely met educational standards. While MHS did Chris no favors by mainstreaming him and essentially fasttracking him to graduation, it was simply to get him and his parents out of the system as fast as possible because they'd chalked it all up to being a lost cause.

Had Chris actually gotten special education...it probably wouldn't have changed much because even then, his parents coddled the shit out of him, he was spoiled as fuck, and he pretty much hated anybody who wasn't fitting the image of a white-bread america (homos, niggos, etc). The true problem with Chris is that he's a self-centered asshole who has come to believe he is entitled pretty much anything he wants without having to work for it - autism amplifies that problem, but it isn't the root cause.

 

[AnOminous]

I’ve long said that Chris got the Triple Crown of mental defects - he’s a sperg, he’s probably a tard, and he’s on his way to going well and truly nuts. But, yeah, Borb did him no favors by coddling him and failing to prepare him for any sort of an independent life.

I wouldn't actually be surprised if his IQ is above average, at least on paper. I think he is a tard by choice, and that his parents basically amplified his autism to the point of turning him into a tard by completely refusing anything other than mainstreaming him. If the tale about Bob basically paying girls to be his friends is true, they were also his worst trolls, because his formative years where you learn how to interact with the opposite sex were warped because every interaction in his life was staged or influenced by others.

Already autistic, he was doubly fucked because most of his interactions with other people even before Internet trolls were essentially fake. He didn't really have any models for proper behavior because his parents deliberately deprived him of them. They didn't intend to harm him by doing this, but they certainly didn't understand autism or how to raise an autistic child, and did exactly the opposite of what any sane people would have done.

tl;dr the irl version of The Truman Show is more like Cronenberg's version of The Fly. Chris's personality is a deformed mess.

 

[Mason Verger]

I wouldn't actually be surprised if his IQ is above average, at least on paper. I think he is a tard by choice, and that his parents basically amplified his autism to the point of turning him into a tard by completely refusing anything other than mainstreaming him. If the tale about Bob basically paying girls to be his friends is true, they were also his worst trolls, because his formative years where you learn how to interact with the opposite sex were warped because every interaction in his life was staged or influenced by others.

Already autistic, he was doubly fucked because most of his interactions with other people even before Internet trolls were essentially fake. He didn't really have any models for proper behavior because his parents deliberately deprived him of them. They didn't intend to harm him by doing this, but they certainly didn't understand autism or how to raise an autistic child, and did exactly the opposite of what any sane people would have done.

tl;dr the irl version of The Truman Show is more like Cronenberg's version of The Fly. Chris's personality is a deformed mess.

Yeah exactly, on paper Chris achieved plenty for somebody who spent the first 7 years of his life non-verbal. I mean he's got a college degree. His problem is with how his parents raised him, spoiled him and taught him how to deal with setbacks.
Even as early as that "song of Christian" video he was already demanding that people don't swear and of course that whole "AN F IN ENGLISH I MEAN CMON!".

 

[Chortle]

"The Truman Show with Chris Chandler" would be a major failure, because no one with a sound mind could really relate to him.
And who in his right mind would be interested to monitor his daily exploits ...



I mean, outside of the Kiwifarms and the CWCiki, of course.

 

[nvrwastetree]

No, they wanted to put him in a special school. When they tried to put him in special classes, Bob and Barb completely Ok'd it. Chris took special classes in school.

You sure dude??? I could've sworn that the whole "they recorded my screams" story Chris always tells was actually the school attempting to tell Chris he was going to go to a special school and when borb discovered this, he and Chris fled to Richmond and attempt to sue the school district and failed miserably.

 

[Zilortha]

Those classes teach people with autism how to avoid chimping out in public, or how to more carefully analyze people's speech or their emotions and things like that. Not in a million years could they prevent an organized group trying to catfish the autist for laughs or money.

Chris is in the situation because people much smarter than him, and more organized than him, are able to run rings around him. And then beyond that, everyone in his life is incompetent at intervention. He really shouldn't be permitted online without supervision.

Lol. I get what you're saying. My point is, that perhaps if Chris had learned to manage his Autism a bit better, maybe he wouldn't have tried the attraction sign that got everyone's attention. Maybe he wouldn't have uploaded Sonichu with all of his info on it allowing people to instantly figure out who he was. Maybe he wouldn't have given trolls his entire life's story. Maybe he would have approached everything that happened in a completely different way and instead of allowing himself to be trolled into internet history. Maybe things would be completely different for him, not because he wouldn't still be Chris, but because an organized group of people trying to catfish him might not have formed in the first place...

Obviously I'm speculating, and like most of the shit I speculate about pertaining to Chris, it doesn't much matter now. But I really do wonder if a better education might have allowed Chris to live a normal life.

So overall I can't disagree that another approach would have been likely to have worked out better. But I do think that is a case of 20/20 hindsight. I am not sure you can make a great case that Bob's decision to mainstream Chris was a terrible idea, given the information he had at the time.

That's actually a really good point. While I wasn't exactly blaming his parents for how he turned out (I was just saying it was probably their greatest mistake, hindsight or not), you aren't wrong... It's easy for me to criticize them knowing what I know now, I suppose that at one point in time I guess Chris was acting like a "standard sperg" and not like a complete nutcase. But they couldn't have been completely clueless to the fact that mainstreaming wasn't working like they had hoped, right? I'm trying to be fair to them, but I don't think they did everything they could (or maybe should have) for Chris in order for him to live a normal life.

 

[Okkervils]

You sure dude??? I could've sworn that the whole "they recorded my screams" story Chris always tells was actually the school attempting to tell Chris he was going to go to a special school and when borb discovered this, he and Chris fled to Richmond and attempt to sue the school district and failed miserably.

You can attend special education classes in a regular school, it's usually a class or two a day while being mainstreamed otherwise. Once the district wanted to move him to a school specifically for the exceptional, Barb and Bob had an issue. I think that's what Marvin was saying.

 

[Marvin]

Barb’s debt will die with her. Which means Chris will have more money for living after she’s gone. Unfortunately I can see Barb having Chris sign up for a co-signer or full signer for some things. Those might screw him a bit.

He loses the house when she dies too. That's going to throw a wrench in his plans.

What special ed classes? Borb were vehemently against Chris getting any kind of tard focused education because they were set in their ways and didn't want the fact their son was developmentally challenged to reflect poorly back on them (and boy did that backfire time and time again, didn't it?). They bitched and moaned enough that MHS had to forcibly mainstream Chris with no special education whatsoever to placate his parents - we've seen his homework and how fucking awful it is, Chris on that sampling alone barely met educational standards. While MHS did Chris no favors by mainstreaming him and essentially fasttracking him to graduation, it was simply to get him and his parents out of the system as fast as possible because they'd chalked it all up to being a lost cause.

Had Chris actually gotten special education...it probably wouldn't have changed much because even then, his parents coddled the shit out of him, he was spoiled as fuck, and he pretty much hated anybody who wasn't fitting the image of a white-bread america (homos, niggos, etc). The true problem with Chris is that he's a self-centered asshole who has come to believe he is entitled pretty much anything he wants without having to work for it - autism amplifies that problem, but it isn't the root cause.

You sure dude??? I could've sworn that the whole "they recorded my screams" story Chris always tells was actually the school attempting to tell Chris he was going to go to a special school and when borb discovered this, he and Chris fled to Richmond and attempt to sue the school district and failed miserably.

As @Okkervils noted, they didn't want him to go to a special school, but they had no problem putting him in special classes. Chris took a few special autism classes while at MHS. Coping classes, I think.

The shrieking about mainstreaming wasn't "no special classes whatsoever", but rather they don't want their son locked up in a padded room for the rest of his life. While that was an outdated stereotype on their part, it's not like they were opposed to any mental treatment whatsoever.

Lol. I get what you're saying. My point is, that perhaps if Chris had learned to manage his Autism a bit better, maybe he wouldn't have tried the attraction sign that got everyone's attention. Maybe he wouldn't have uploaded Sonichu with all of his info on it allowing people to instantly figure out who he was. Maybe he wouldn't have given trolls his entire life's story. Maybe he would have approached everything that happened in a completely different way and instead of allowing himself to be trolled into internet history. Maybe things would be completely different for him, not because he wouldn't still be Chris, but because an organized group of people trying to catfish him might not have formed in the first place...

Obviously I'm speculating, and like most of the shit I speculate about pertaining to Chris, it doesn't much matter now. But I really do wonder if a better education might have allowed Chris to live a normal life.

Coping classes / autism classes don't take internet trolls into account. In fact, that's the kind of thing where they'll say "hey, go and draw your sonichus and whatnot, it'll be fine". They see deviantart et al as stupid and spergy, but ultimately not harmful. It's a safe pastime for autists. They're going to focus on "hey, don't ask that fat woman if getting through doorways is difficult".

Ultimately, it's hard can't say whether making Chris stick out less would've changed anything. That's kind of a butterfly-flapping-its-wings argument. Now what absolutely would've worked is if Chris had better IRL support to supervise him online.

Everyone he knows IRL is a useless chucklefuck. And that's why we have idea guys.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Yeah exactly, on paper Chris achieved plenty for somebody who spent the first 7 years of his life non-verbal. I mean he's got a college degree

A lot of colleges are piss poor at educating, and Chris took like 5 years to get a 2 year degree, not to mention he got banned and in trouble a lot while attending, alsoalso academic effort was piss poor. I know you think he did a lot for a person with autism, but it wasn't that much considering Bob had to bark at him every step of the way. Chris hasn't done a lot, Bob and trolls have done most of the work for their idiot king. Chris' time on college was basically teachers passing him along to be rid of him, just like highschool.
I also don't believe he could have gotten any further with autism training, sure he might not be on the Internet, but his IQ is very low, like retarded to moronic.

 

[Zilortha]

Coping classes / autism classes don't take internet trolls into account. In fact, that's the kind of thing where they'll say "hey, go and draw your sonichus and whatnot, it'll be fine". They see deviantart et al as stupid and spergy, but ultimately not harmful. It's a safe pastime for autists. They're going to focus on "hey, don't ask that fat woman if getting through doorways is difficult".

Ultimately, it's hard can't say whether making Chris stick out less would've changed anything. That's kind of a butterfly-flapping-its-wings argument. Now what absolutely would've worked is if Chris had better IRL support to supervise him online.

Everyone he knows IRL is a useless chucklefuck. And that's why we have idea guys.

I know they don't. But they do help to teach you how to interact with others, how to manage autism, and other basic behaviors/etc. that Chris obviously never learned. I'm not saying that 100% he wouldn't have been trolled or bullied, or that he'd have a perfectly normal life. I doubt he would. But they might have taught him not to give strangers all of his personal information, etc. lol. He might have a better life.

I admit that it's hard to say, but I don't think he'd be worse off. And yeah, better parenting certainly would have helped, but that just feeds into my point: his parents didn't really try.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The shrieking about mainstreaming wasn't "no special classes whatsoever", but rather they don't want their son locked up in a padded room for the rest of his life. While that was an outdated stereotype on their part, it's not like they were opposed to any mental treatment whatsoever.

Ah, thank you for the correction.

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah exactly, on paper Chris achieved plenty for somebody who spent the first 7 years of his life non-verbal.

I don't even believe that claim. That would be the case of a profoundly retarded person. Chris is not that.

 

[gREEEEEEEEEr]

Barb’s debt will die with her. Which means Chris will have more money for living after she’s gone.

That is not exactly true. Her debts would still be owed by her estate, and if her estate had any assets, the creditors could go after her assets.

I'm by no means an expert, but I think if Chris was listed as a joint owner of their house, it might possibly be protected from Barb's creditors if she dies -- assuming their mortgage company doesn't foreclose on it first. If she is the sole owner of the house, however, it'd go into probate, and it'd almost certainly have to be sold to pay off her debts.

 

[Mason Verger]

I don't even believe that claim. That would be the case of a profoundly exceptional person. Chris is not that.

Oh sure, next you're going to question that Chris didn't actually say "monkey" at six weeks old..

 

[Marvin]

I know they don't. But they do help to teach you how to interact with others, how to manage autism, and other basic behaviors/etc. that Chris obviously never learned. I'm not saying that 100% he wouldn't have been trolled or bullied, or that he'd have a perfectly normal life. I doubt he would. But they might have taught him not to give strangers all of his personal information, etc. lol. He might have a better life.

I admit that it's hard to say, but I don't think he'd be worse off. And yeah, better parenting certainly would have helped, but that just feeds into my point: his parents didn't really try.

Chris' personal information was never the problem. If Chris gets catfished, and he believes he's talking to his girlfriend, he'll just give her the information.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I wouldn't actually be surprised if his IQ is above average, at least on paper. I think he is a tard by choice, and that his parents basically amplified his autism to the point of turning him into a tard by completely refusing anything other than mainstreaming him. If the tale about Bob basically paying girls to be his friends is true, they were also his worst trolls, because his formative years where you learn how to interact with the opposite sex were warped because every interaction in his life was staged or influenced by others.

Already autistic, he was doubly fucked because most of his interactions with other people even before Internet trolls were essentially fake. He didn't really have any models for proper behavior because his parents deliberately deprived him of them. They didn't intend to harm him by doing this, but they certainly didn't understand autism or how to raise an autistic child, and did exactly the opposite of what any sane people would have done.

tl;dr the irl version of The Truman Show is more like Cronenberg's version of The Fly. Chris's personality is a deformed mess.

I would be really shocked if Chris was even average IQ. And not just because he is autistic, but he legitimately seems below average intelligence. He is the same guy who made up the fact that Panda died because she was in Australia and there were wildfires there, despite the fact she was hundreds of miles from the fires (and that's a pretty big leap in logic). He's the same guy who thought Molvania was real, even though he couldn't find it on a globe. He also took years to finish a CAD certificate

 

[Yop Yop]

I would be really shocked if Chris was even average IQ. And not just because he is autistic, but he legitimately seems below average intelligence. He is the same guy who made up the fact that Panda died because she was in Australia and there were wildfires there, despite the fact she was hundreds of miles from the fires (and that's a pretty big leap in logic). He's the same guy who thought Molvania was real, even though he couldn't find it on a globe. He also took years to finish a CAD certificate

I thought Clyde made that up about Sarah?

 

[Silvally]

I thought Clyde made that up about Sarah?

no Chris thought that himself Clyde just fanned that flame (not pun intended)