Migrant Caravan Headed for U.S. Border - So, uh.. About that wall.

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Hundreds of Central American migrants have organized and banded together on a journey to the US border, and right-wing media and President Donald Trump are reacting with outrage, even describing the caravan as an “act of war” against America.

“INVASION: Army of Illegal Migrants Is Marching Its Way Through Mexico to U.S. Border,” reads a Friday headline on the Gateway Pundit. The piece describes the group as a “horde” of “invading migrants” who are “organized into groups and sub-groups like an army.”

The migrants—roughly 80 percent Honduran—are walking through 90-degree heat from south to north through Mexico, according to Adolfo Flores, a reporter documenting the journey for BuzzFeed News. He notes that yes, the group has organized into groups of 10-15 people, and there are committees to organize security, food, and logistics, but it’s “meant to help the migrants empower themselves.”

The march, part political theater and part exodus, was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras, (“People Without Borders”), a migrant advocacy and support organization. It replicates, in a large-scale version, the journey tens of thousands of people from all over Central America and Mexico have made over the years trying to get to the US while fleeing conditions back in their home countries. Making the journey as part of a large group not only draws attention to their cause; it’s also much safer. Traveling alone or in very small groups, they’re much more likely to be harassed and assaulted by authorities or bandits who are known to rob migrants along the journey. In 2010, 72 migrants traveling a similar route were executed by members of a drug cartel.

Now, migrants find themselves traversing a different sort of battlefield. On Sunday morning, after tweeting “HAPPY EASTER!”, Trump started tweeting about the caravan. He fumed that “Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release,” and then attacked the Mexican government and the caravan:
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Flores, the Buzzfeed reporter accompanying the caravan, reports that the group will march to the US border where roughly two-thirds of the participants will either seek asylum in the US or try to cross the border illegally. Others in the group are traveling to other parts of Mexico.

Right-wing media groups are blaming the Mexican government. The caravan is entirely unsanctioned. It was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras but organizers emphasized to participants that they were responsible for their own food, water, and bus tickets. “Mexico aids Easter invasion of over 1,000 illegals into US,” the conservative Washington Examiner headline from Saturday reads, and the piece goes on to slam the Mexican government for allowing the group to pass through the country “with relative ease.”

PJ Media, another conservative platform, cast the caravan in similar terms, but took it one step further. In a piece titled “New Wave of Migrants from Central America Headed to U.S.,” Rick Moran calls it “an organized attack on the American border by open borders activists, aided and abetted by Mexican authorities.” Moran speculates that the group’s intention is to force the US government to “overwhelm the system” and force the US government to release the migrants within the US.

“This is not only a direct challenge to U.S. sovereignty, it could be considered an act of war,” he writes. “These illiterate, uneducated ‘international workers’ are simply pawns being used by the Mexican government and international migrant activists.”

Karen, a mother making the journey with her children from Honduras, had a different message. “The crime rate is horrible, you can’t live there,” she told BuzzFeed News on the side of a highway near Huixtla, a town in Chiapas, Mexico’s southernmost state, referring to her home country. “There were deaths, mobs, robbed homes, adults and kids were beaten up.”

“If we all protect each other,” Rodrigo Abeja, an organizer with Pueblas Sin Fronteras, had said a few days earlier, “we’ll get through this together.”
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I half-expected this group to break cohesion awhile ago and not keep working their way any further, but they're getting awfully close and they only seem to be picking up steam. I get the distinct feeling that a bunch of them are making one last, mad dash to try and break through before this Wall gets any further along or before DACA gets the axe.

It's strange to see such a large-scale push all at once, though. I refuse to believe that this is just some grassroots, just-happens-to-be sort of crowd, because that's way too many people and it's been getting media coverage way too early. We were hearing about this migrant crowd over a week ago, before they'd barely even started to move through Southern Mexico.

Also, a bunch of high-profile idiots are trying to spread this video around to market it as though it's the current migrant caravan, but this video's from 2013. It'd really be nice if people would fact check stuff deeper than, "Oh James Woods said it so it's 100% true and now I'm super mad." It'd also be nice if people with a profile that large would fucking fact check their own shit to begin with. Highest IQ in Hollywood my ass.
 
I really lost any shred of sympathy I would have had after my then-fiancé was denied a visitaion visa because the US embassy claimed she would overstay illegally. So we assembled all the papers, paid all the fees (was working retail at the time, not a lot of disposable income), jumped through all the hoops for the fiancé visa, and waited. 2 years later and she is a permanent resident working full time at a hospital. So yeah, I hope they enforce the law this time as well.
yeah but that's like, hard and stuff
 
Some of the questions on the last interview were hilarious. Do you plan to violently overthrow the US government? Do you plan on participating in human trafficking? If you answer yes to any of those questions (about 50 or so), you're either dumb or incredibly ballsy.
 
Some of the questions on the last interview were hilarious. Do you plan to violently overthrow the US government? Do you plan on participating in human trafficking? If you answer yes to any of those questions (about 50 or so), you're either dumb or incredibly ballsy.

There's illegal immigrants standing in California government right now. You can be ballsy when nobody enforces the law.
 
If ONLY they could have banded together like that in their HOME countries and lived together and provided security... then maybe they wouldn't have such a problem?!

This is why places like Honduras are such hell holes. Everyone wants to leave. Not that I blame anyone for not wanting to live in Central America. But just like with Syria, why are you giving up on making your country better? Because when you come here you just turn every place you go into Little Third World Toilet Town instead of integrating properly with us.
 
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-h...tary-guarded-prison-in-honduras-idUKKBN1890W4
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TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) - Some 22 gang members escaped from one of Hondura’s most overcrowded prisons this week ahead of a transfer to a higher-security facility, defying the military guards tasked with bringing order to the prison system, an official said Saturday.

The inmates, who had been locked up in the special “Scorpion” unit for members of the notorious Barrio 18 gang, made their escape from the medium-security Marco Aurelio Soto prison late on Thursday, said Rosa Gudiel, the head of Hondura’s National Penitentiary Institute.

The jail’s director and several guards have been put on leave as authorities look for the prisoners and investigate the escape, the biggest in more than a decade in crime-ravaged Honduras, said Gudiel.

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“The prisoners fled because arrangements are being made to transfer them to new, high-security jails and they don’t want to go to those places,” Gudiel told a press conference.

She did not say why authorities did not disclose the jailbreak before Saturday.

Honduras has been transferring imprisoned members of the Barrio 18 and Mara Salvatrucha gangs to higher-security prisons in a bid to curb the extortion, killings and drug deals they often coordinate from behind bars.

Just north of the capital Tegucigalpa, Marco Aurelio Soto is one of the most overpopulated prisons in Honduras, where some 17,000 inmates are held in a system designed to hold 8,000.


In recent weeks the government has transferred some 740 inmates to higher-security prisons. Authorities are planning to move inmates from Marco Aurelio Soto to a new prison in eastern Honduras soon.

In 2014, the government of President Juan Orlando Hernandez ordered the military to supervise the country’s biggest prisons.

Reporting By Gustavo Palencia, Writing By Mitra Taj; Editing by Mary Milliken

Oh No
 
Are you ready, are you ready?
Are you ready, are you ready?
Are you ready for the time of your life?
It's time to stand up and fight
It's alright it's alright
Hand in hand we take a caravan to the motherland
One by one we gonna stand up with pride

One that can't be denied

Stand up, stand up
From the highest mountain, valley low
We'll all join together with hearts of gold
Now the children of the world can see
There's a better place for us to be
The place in which we were born

So neglected and torn apart

Every woman every man
Join the caravan of love
(Stand up) stand up
Stand up
Everybody take a stand
Join the caravan of love
(Stand up) stand up
Stand up
 
You do realize that all of those revolutions, civil wars, insurgencies, and so on in their history were the Mexicans' attempt to destroy the old and corrupt to bring in the new and fair, right? 200 plus years of watching those completely fail and just cause more pain and corruption just plain sucks a lot of hope out of you.
It also doesn't help that Mexico has an absolutely god-awful military that behaves about as competently as any teenage, military LARP group from some fly-over state. This is a raid that the Fuerza de Infantería de Marina (Mexican Naval Infantry Force--essentially the equivalent of a US special forces group--conducted on one of Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán's compounds in early 2016.

It's a decent little chunk of a video, but even if you only have a very, very limited amount of knowledge concerning military tactics, it will still stand out as an unbelievable clusterfuck of an operation. None of the soldiers are communicating, none of them are conducting proper sweeps, none of them are giving the all clear, and even when they're given direct orders such as "Check under the bed!" they just... Don't.

They stand right in front of the door for several minutes beating on it with a battering ram and ensuring that every single fucker in a ten-block radius is woken up, and then get blasted to Hell through the windows. This guy doesn't even know how to prepare a grenade and nearly blows their asses up, and at one point the Commander, who's been micromanaging this entire effort because nobody is doing shit on their own, actually starts forcibly shoving them forwards because they won't advance.

This isn't just some crappy, local police force either, this is one of Mexico's special forces division. Try and imagine something like a SEAL Team or the Green Berets functioning like this and you start to understand why Mexico is having such an insurmountable problem when it comes to handling the Cartels, or even just lawlessness in general. How in the Hell are you going to take down a country-spanning crime syndicate when fuckin' Jesús over here has to be told not to stand in front of an open window while bullets are actively flying through the glass?
 
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I never thought I would see something that would make the hungarian police look like spetznaz by comparison.

Comparing these guys to larpers is an insult to fedora wearers everywhere.
 
Are any of the militia types planning on border watches? That could get violent.
The border militias are actually surprisingly professional and well organized. They never shoot unless shot at first, and in most cases where they encounter illegal border-crossers, they just administer first aid and give them water, and wait for the US Border Patrol agents to arrive for official processing.
 
Tge fact that Mexico didnt do anything to stop this is fucking disgusting
Why the fuck would the US want to annex Mexico? That would be like buying shitty mortgaged properties off of someone who's about to lose in a round of Monopoly that you have to dump a ton of money into before you can even use them yourself.

Mexico is not a desert , thats only the northern region.
The mexican coast is a good source of oil, you got temperate forests in the central valley and rainforest at the south.
 
Has anybody talked yet about how this is an extremely easy way for diseases like influenza to spread?
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FqWP40i-ydEIt also doesn't help that Mexico has an absolutely god-awful military that behaves about as competently as any teenage, military LARP group from some fly-over state. This is a raid that the Fuerza de Infantería de Marina (Mexican Naval Infantry Force--essentially the equivalent of a US special forces group--conducted on one of Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán's compounds in early 2016.

It's a decent little chunk of a video, but even if you only have a very, very limited amount of knowledge concerning military tactics, it will still stand out as an unbelievable clusterfuck of an operation. None of the soldiers are communicating, none of them are conducting proper sweeps, none of them are giving the all clear, and even when they're given direct orders such as "Check under the bed!" they just... Don't.

They stand right in front of the door for several minutes beating on it with a battering ram and ensuring that every single fucker in a ten-block radius is woken up, and then get blasted to Hell through the windows. This guy doesn't even know how to prepare a grenade and nearly blows their asses up, and at one point the Commander, who's been micromanaging this entire effort because nobody is doing shit on their own, actually starts forcibly shoving them forwards because they won't advance.

This isn't just some crappy, local police force either, this is one of Mexico's special forces division. Try and imagine something like a SEAL Team or the Green Berets functioning like this and you start to understand why Mexico is having such an insurmountable problem when it comes to handling the Cartels, or even just lawlessness in general. How in the Hell are you going to take down a country-spanning crime syndicate when fuckin' Jesús over here has to be told not to stand in front of an open window while bullets are actively flying through the glass?
This is some real /k/ringe.

In recent news... I think the caravan may have run into a problem.

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https://twitter.com/aflores/status/980973431180156929?s=09

Assuming this is Mexico actually doing something and not just saying they'll do something and then doing nothing.
 
Who is opposed to mass-immigration in the USA? Trump ran on the toughest immigration platform in decades, but hasn't been able to accomplish very much in terms of immigration, besides alienating his base by actively pushing for people under under DACA to be granted citizenship, or a path to it.

He criticized the very existence of DACA. He claimed the previous president didn't have the constitutional authority to delay enforcement of immigration law. He has the power to reverse that executive order with the stroke of a pen (or let his extension of it expire), but instead he's talking about letting them stay, and giving them a path to citizenship (i.e. a path to giving Democrats more votes).

It's clear why Democrats push for open borders. It directly correlates with their voter base.

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Yet most "big name" Republicans like Romney, McCain, Jeb Bush, the ones that the news puts on the front page, they also don't oppose open borders. They either believe they can convince the Hispanic demographic to vote for them (hasn't happened in the last 58 years since we changed our migration policy and got flooded with almost exclusively Mexican-born immigrants, and most of them illegally entering.)

It's clear that the people who voted the president in wanted a strict immigration policy. Not everyone is as stupid as Republicans in congress.
 
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So did nobody tell them that they're going to get shot when they get to the border en masse? Not with rubber bullets, not cans of pepper-spray, like no-bullshit fucking shot? I can only imagine that they don't understand what's going to happen to them when the National Guard shows up, because if someone actually told them I'd imagine that they'd turn the fuck around.
 
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