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Ah, yes. Demanding that Western Muslims integrate into our society, acknowledge freedom of speech by not freaking out over criticism of Islam or Muhammad, and tolerant groups like atheists, homosexuals, and Jews is completely Islamophobic.
 
Integration. Fascist. The concept of 'any race and any culture can join our society if they can respect our laws' is fascist now. What genius made this
 
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Ah, yes. Demanding that Western Muslims integrate into our society, acknowledge freedom of speech by not freaking out over criticism of Islam or Muhammad, and tolerant groups like atheists, homosexuals, and Jews is completely Islamophobic.

You could easily remake this but with Latuff himself curb stomping a Jew.

You will find few people more virulently anti-Semitic outside a Nazi rally or a Klavern.
 
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I figured I'd post this here with an explanation as to why the rhetoric is wrong because some of you guys may be able to use it in any future arguments you might have. Also, while I'm using ISIS as an example, this explanation can be applied to basically all Islamic terror groups.

People (both Muslim and non-Muslim) often claim that, because most of ISIS's victims are Muslim, ISIS itself therefore can't possibly be Muslim. While it's indeed true that ISIS has slaughtered tens of thousands of Muslims and Muslims make up the majority of their victims, that doesn't render ISIS un-Islamic. In fact, ISIS themselves would tell you that, by killing "heretical" Muslims (ie, all Muslims who don't ascribe to their death cult ideology), they're upholding "true" Islam.

Moreover, ISIS is a Sunni Muslim organization. There are two major branches of Islam: Sunni and Shia (there are plenty of others, too, but these two are by far the most prominent). Sunnis compromise about 85% of the Muslim population and Shias are about 10%. You can read more about the Sunni/Shia split and their ideological differences elsewhere, but the most important fact is that the schism happened literally right after Muhammad's death. Sunnis and Shias have been fighting for 1,400 years and it's unlikely to change anytime soon.

Both hardline Sunnis and hardline Shias believe that the opposing group is non-Muslim and must conform to their version of Islam if they're to be saved. In fact, a lot of extremists view "wrong sect" Muslims as even more contemptible and worthy of punishment than Christians, Jews, atheists, and other non-Muslims because they've "perverted" Islam and are therefore far worse than someone who doesn't adhere to Islam at all. This is why ISIS heavily targets Shia Muslims; in fact, the picture above of the mosque that was destroyed was a Shia mosque. To ISIS, Shia Muslims are filthy heretics who should be wiped off the face of the Earth for corrupting "true Islam."

So that explains why ISIS kills Shias, so what about Sunnis? Many Sunni casualties are rationalized away as "collateral damage." Actually, according to ISIS and other terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda, it's actually a good thing that these innocent Sunnis die; they'll be recognized as "martyrs" by Allah and are destined to enter Islam’s paradise. As for the Sunnis who are intentionally killed by ISIS, they have an explanation for that, too. Here, the jihadis rely on takfir, the act of one Sunni group denouncing another Sunni group of being kafir—that is, non-Muslims, infidels, whose blood can be shed with impunity.

TL;DR: To Sunni jihadis (not just ISIS, but al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hamas, etc) non-Sunni people are all infidels and thus fair game. As for fellow Sunnis, if they die accidentally, they are martyrs and that's actually a good thing because they get to go to paradise. If fellow Sunnis intentionally get in the way, they are denounced as infidels and killed accordingly.
 
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Leave it to these idiots to not understand that killing other Muslims for not being the right kind of Muslim is built into the doctrine. Then again, you don't need to know anything about Islam to virtue signal about it.

O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination. -Quran 9:73

Seriously, even I know this shit.
 
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SIGHS.

I figured I'd post this here with an explanation as to why the rhetoric is wrong because some of you guys may be able to use it in any future arguments you might have. Also, while I'm using ISIS as an example, this explanation can be applied to basically all Is;amic

People (both Muslim and non-Muslim) often claim that, because most of ISIS's victims are Muslim, ISIS itself therefore can't possibly be Muslim. While it's indeed true that ISIS has slaughtered tens of thousands of Muslims and Muslims make up the majority of their victims, that doesn't render ISIS un-Islamic. In fact, ISIS themselves would tell you that, by killing "heretical" Muslims (ie, all Muslims who don't ascribe to their death cult ideology), they're upholding "true" Islam.

Moreover, ISIS is a Sunni Muslim organization. There are two major branches of Islam: Sunni and Shia (there are plenty of others, too, but these two are by far the most prominent). Sunnis compromise about 85% of the Muslim population and Shias are about 10%. You can read more about the Sunni/Shia split and their ideological differences elsewhere, but the most important fact is that the schism happened literally right after Muhammad's death. Sunnis and Shias have been fighting for 1,400 years and it's unlikely to change anytime soon.

Both hardline Sunnis and hardline Shias believe that the opposing group is non-Muslim and must conform to their version of Islam if they're to be saved. In fact, a lot of extremists view "wrong sect" Muslims as even more contemptible and worthy of punishment than Christians, Jews, atheists, and other non-Muslims because they've "perverted" Islam and are therefore far worse than someone who doesn't adhere to Islam at all. This is why ISIS heavily targets Shia Muslims; in fact, the picture above of the mosque that was destroyed was a Shia mosque. To ISIS, Shia Muslims are filthy heretics who should be wiped off the face of the Earth for corrupting "true Islam."

So that explains why ISIS kills Shias, so what about Sunnis? Many Sunni casualties are rationalized away as "collateral damage." Actually, according to ISIS and other terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda, it's actually a good thing that these innocent Sunnis die; they'll be recognized as "martyrs" by Allah and are destined to enter Islam’s paradise. As for the Sunnis who are intentionally killed by ISIS, they have an explanation for that, too. Here, the jihadis rely on takfir, the act of one Sunni group denouncing another Sunni group of being kafir—that is, non-Muslims, infidels, whose blood can be shed with impunity.

TL;DR: To Sunni jihadis (not just ISIS, but al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hamas, etc) non-Sunni people are all infidels and thus fair game. As for fellow Sunnis, if they die accidentally, they are martyrs and that's actually a good thing because they get to go to paradise. If fellow Sunnis intentionally get in the way, they are denounced as infidels and killed accordingly.
For people so versed in the Middle East and Islam, they sure do forget that Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, is spit into different sects.
 
I was on Netflix looking for documentaries to watch and came across one called "Saudi Arabia Uncovered." I found this review:

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I don't even feel like unpacking this dumb comment. Claiming that a documentary is "biased against Middle-Eastern culture" because it shows off how fucking horrible Saudi Arabia is just proves this person is a fucking moron. Also, I love how they say they're too "educated and open-minded" to judge Saudi Arabia's barbaric implementation of Sharia law.
 
The Taliban actually banned it and the USA allowed it to have a comeback by explicitly telling US troops to tolerate it on their bases to keep things friendly with the Afghan government.

This really needs to be shouted from the rooftops. Our "allies" in Afghanistan are a bunch of child rapists, and US soldiers were ordered by their superiors to ignore this abusive behavior and “to look the other way because it’s their culture.”
One of the most infamous cases of this involved Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain and Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland. They beat the shit out of Abdul Rahman, an American-backed militia commander, for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. The child's mother had come to Quinn and Martland begging for help, as her child had been kidnapped and raped and she was severely beaten when she tried to rescue him. Although the boy had been returned to her, she was terrified of it happening again so she asked the US military to do something about it.

Quinn confronted Rahman about what he had done, and Rahman confirmed it. When Quinn began to lecture about “how you are held to a higher standard if you are working with U.S. forces, and people expect more of you,” Rahman began to laugh. So Quinn started beating him up and Martland joined him. Both of these men faced trouble from the Army regarding what they did, with Martland eventually being discharged (although, after a public outcry, he was reinstated).

It's just sick and tragic.
 
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Ah, yes. Demanding that Western Muslims integrate into our society, acknowledge freedom of speech by not freaking out over criticism of Islam or Muhammad, and tolerant groups like atheists, homosexuals, and Jews is completely Islamophobic.

Carlos Latuff is actually braindead, so this sort of thing is par for the course.
 
This really needs to be shouted from the rooftops. Our "allies" in Afghanistan are a bunch of child rapists, and US soldiers were ordered by their superiors to ignore this abusive behavior and “to look the other way because it’s their culture.”
One of the most infamous cases of this involved Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain and Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland. They beat the shit out of Abdul Rahman, an American-backed militia commander, for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. The child's mother had come to Quinn and Martland begging for help, as her child had been kidnapped and raped and she was severely beaten when she tried to rescue him. Although the boy had been returned to her, she was terrified of it happening again so she asked the US military to do something about it.

Quinn confronted Rahman about what he had done, and Rahman confirmed it. When Quinn began to lecture about “how you are held to a higher standard if you are working with U.S. forces, and people expect more of you,” Rahman began to laugh. So Quinn started beating him up and Martland joined him. Both of these men faced trouble from the Army regarding what they did, with Martland eventually being discharged (although, after a public outcry, he was reinstated).

It's just sick and tragic.
Devil's advocate: what else where we supposed to do, have absolutely no allies in the region whatsoever? Storm in there commando and turn every village with a kiddy-diddler in it into the OK Corral? USA against the entire country? We shouldn't have gotten in there in the first place, but once we were there, certain political realities had to be faced; one of which was that, although the country was full of scumbags, we needed some of those scumbags to be OUR scumbags. Plus, "USA troopers enforce Western values at gunpoint" is exactly the kind of story that would give jihadis even more traction than they already have.
 
That's the mission though... also, the Taliban is explicitly against Bacha Bazi. They killed the practice nearly entirely for decades.

Yeah, and it's not like all the locals are thrilled about bacha bazi, either. They don't like their sons being kidnapped and raped. As outraged as Westerners are about the US military coverup/ignoring of bachi bazi, the locals must be madder.
 
I was on Netflix looking for documentaries to watch and came across one called "Saudi Arabia Uncovered." I found this review:

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I don't even feel like unpacking this dumb comment. Claiming that a documentary is "biased against Middle-Eastern culture" because it shows off how fucking horrible Saudi Arabia is just proves this person is a fucking moron. Also, I love how they say they're too "educated and open-minded" to judge Saudi Arabia's barbaric implementation of Sharia law.
At the very least, other people are aware of how bullshit this review is. Look at the amount that found it helpful vs the ones who didn't. Roughly 75% of the people who read that review didn't think it was useful, which to me says that people either don't care about what the person is saying, or they do care and know that it's bullshit. Either way, the majority know better.
 
Integration. Fascist. The concept of 'any race and any culture can join our society if they can respect our laws' is fascist now. What genius made this

I do acknowledge that it can be difficult for muslims to integrate (as lets be honest western culture is mostly drinking and getting smashed) but I would like to see them make more of an effort. At least learn our language to a decent level before immigrating here
 
I do acknowledge that it can be difficult for muslims to integrate (as lets be honest western culture is mostly drinking and getting smashed) but I would like to see them make more of an effort. At least learn our language to a decent level before immigrating here
Then they can fuck off back where they came from if they don't like the local culture. Exactly what positives do a bunch of hypocritical, tee-totaling third worlders who explode at the slightest provocation bring anyways?
 
Then they can fuck off back where they came from if they don't like the local culture. Exactly what positives do a bunch of hypocritical, tee-totaling third worlders who explode at the slightest provocation bring anyways?
Kebab shops... those things are common in Europe.
 
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"Muslim states gave freedom, wealth, and equality to the every kind of race living in their habit of body"

HAHAHAHAHAHA, no.

India:
Balkan states:
I was going to spend like another hour gathering information about other areas of the world that were invaded by Muslims (like Anatolia, Egypt, and Spain) but then I decided that the above links are more than enough to prove my point.

For the record, I'm not claiming that modern-day Arabs/Muslims should be held accountable for these atrocities, just like I don't believe that modern-day white people/Christians should be held accountable for past atrocities. But I'm so tired of Muslim imperialism being downplayed/whitewashed while Western imperialism is blamed for everything wrong in the world.
 
Some of what you posted is exaggerations or outright fabrications used by various nationalists. Why would Serb, Sikh, and Hindu nationalists be any more reliable sources than all the Islamophile PR agents? Did Muslims kill people in the Balkans and India and frequently take slaves? Yes. Did they rule it for hundreds of years? Yes. Was it "centuries of darkness and mass murder and colonization?" Not really, unless you're like many of these writers and the sources they cite where they appear to be very selective about their primary sources due to their political affiliation.
 
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"Muslim states gave freedom, wealth, and equality to the every kind of race living in their habit of body"

HAHAHAHAHAHA, no.

India:
Balkan states:
I was going to spend like another hour gathering information about other areas of the world that were invaded by Muslims (like Anatolia, Egypt, and Spain) but then I decided that the above links are more than enough to prove my point.

For the record, I'm not claiming that modern-day Arabs/Muslims should be held accountable for these atrocities, just like I don't believe that modern-day white people/Christians should be held accountable for past atrocities. But I'm so tired of Muslim imperialism being downplayed/whitewashed while Western imperialism is blamed for everything wrong in the world.

You appear to be quoting Sikh extremist websites there. Hindus and Sikhs often have a massive grudge against Islam for historical reasons, far more than anyone white does outside the Balkans; India is currently ruled by the Hindu nationalist BJP. Obviously the Muslim empires killed a lot of people in India over the years (it's unusual that an empire doesn't), but it's not really fair to compare the deaths of many wars and acts over centuries to the atrocities of World War 2, which happened in only 6 years and would have been much worse if the Axis had won.

Timur was horrifying, though. 17 million died from his campaigns, all with 14th century technology, almost as many as died in World War 1.
 
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